9 Oct
2022
9 Oct
'22
7:15 a.m.
# rpm -e plymouth plymouth-scripts plymouth-system-theme mageia-theme bootsplash
error: Failed dependencies:
mageia-theme-Default is needed by (installed)
trinity-tdebase-14.0.12-1.mga8.x86_64
#
Why does TDE demand plymouth be installed on Mageia installations? I've seen no
equivalent on Debian & derivatives or other rpm distros. :(
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Felix Miata
9 Oct
9 Oct
8:20 p.m.
Le 09/10/2022 à 09:15, Felix Miata a écrit :
# rpm -e plymouth plymouth-scripts
plymouth-system-theme mageia-theme bootsplash
error: Failed dependencies:
mageia-theme-Default is needed by (installed)
trinity-tdebase-14.0.12-1.mga8.x86_64
#
Why does TDE demand plymouth be installed on Mageia installations? I've seen no
equivalent on Debian & derivatives or other rpm distros. :(
Hello Felix,
this is a distribution-specific issue.
In all RPM based distributions, I configure the default Trinity desktop
to use the distribution-provided wallpaper and start button icon.
In Mageia, they are provided in the 'mageia-theme-Default' package, so
I've added dependency to tdebase.
Alas, this package in turns requires other packages that we don't need
in Trinity.
Other distributions don't have this problem.
I think it's more a distribution specific issue than a Trinity issue, as
all other desktops are probably impacted too.
François
8:51 p.m.
François Andriot composed on 2022-10-09 22:20 (UTC+0200):
Le 09/10/2022 à 09:15, Felix Miata a écrit :
> # rpm -e plymouth plymouth-scripts
plymouth-system-theme mageia-theme bootsplash
> error: Failed dependencies:
> mageia-theme-Default is needed by (installed)
trinity-tdebase-14.0.12-1.mga8.x86_64
> #
> Why does TDE demand plymouth be installed on
Mageia installations? I've seen no
> equivalent on Debian & derivatives or other rpm distros. :(
this is a distribution-specific issue.
In all RPM based distributions, I configure the default Trinity desktop
to use the distribution-provided wallpaper and start button icon.
In Mageia, they are provided in the 'mageia-theme-Default' package, so
I've added dependency to tdebase.
Alas, this package in turns requires other packages that we don't need
in Trinity.
Other distributions don't have this problem.
I think it's more a distribution specific issue than a Trinity issue, as
all other desktops are probably impacted too.
Why is requires/depends necessary rather than suggests or recommends? Why can't
people who don't want the bling be satisified with whatever default icons are
available? Uninstalling trinity-tdebase is a rather severe penalty for wanting
simplicity, or the lightweight environment that draws people to TDE.
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based on faith, not based on science.
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Felix Miata
10 Oct
10 Oct
5:21 a.m.
On 2022-10-09 15:20:18 François Andriot wrote:
Le 09/10/2022 à 09:15, Felix Miata a écrit :
Would it be possible to provide a 'TDE version' of mageia-theme-Default with its
plymouth
dependencies removed?
Leslie
--
Platform: GNU/Linux
Hardware: x86_64
Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.4
Desktop Environment: Trinity
Qt: 3.5.0
TDE: R14.0.12
tde-config: 1.0
# rpm -e plymouth plymouth-scripts
plymouth-system-theme mageia-theme
bootsplash error: Failed dependencies:
mageia-theme-Default is needed by (installed)
trinity-tdebase-14.0.12-1.mga8.x86_64 #
Why does TDE demand plymouth be installed on Mageia installations? I've
seen no equivalent on Debian & derivatives or other rpm distros. :(
Hello Felix,
this is a distribution-specific issue.
In all RPM based distributions, I configure the default Trinity desktop
to use the distribution-provided wallpaper and start button icon.
In Mageia, they are provided in the 'mageia-theme-Default' package, so
I've added dependency to tdebase.
Alas, this package in turns requires other packages that we don't need
in Trinity.
Other distributions don't have this problem.
I think it's more a distribution specific issue than a Trinity issue, as
all other desktops are probably impacted too.
François
5:38 a.m.
J Leslie Turriff composed on 2022-10-10 00:21 (UTC-0500):
> François...
Would it be possible to provide a 'TDE
version' of mageia-theme-Default with
its plymouth dependencies removed?
Sure, /somebody/ could do it. But changing a hard dep to a soft dep should amount
to little more than a bit flip at build configure time. I'm thankful that François
is able to provide rpm builds. I don't want to be asking for more of his time by
sidetracking into theme re-development. I would expect the XDG system to provide
something as a suitable substitute if TDE's own icons couldn't be used in place
of
Mageia's imposing Plymouth deps.
--
Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion,
based on faith, not based on science.
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
Felix Miata
5:54 a.m.
On Sun October 9 2022 13:51:04 Felix Miata wrote:
Why is requires/depends necessary rather than suggests
or recommends? Why
can't people who don't want the bling be satisified with whatever default
icons are available? Uninstalling trinity-tdebase is a rather severe
penalty for wanting simplicity, or the lightweight environment that draws
people to TDE.
I don't have a Mageia system to test this on but according to their
website they have an empty transitional package with no files and
no dependencies which you can install instead of mageia-theme:
http://sophie.zarb.org/rpms/45a5eafeffe140c822c6e37dd80da23b/deps
I do not know whether trinity-tdebase fails gracefully if the
wallpaper and start button icon are missing.
--Mike
6:50 a.m.
Mike Bird composed on 2022-10-09 22:54 (UTC-0700):
Felix Miata wrote:
> Why is requires/depends necessary rather than
suggests or recommends? Why
> can't people who don't want the bling be satisified with whatever default
> icons are available? Uninstalling trinity-tdebase is a rather severe
> penalty for wanting simplicity, or the lightweight environment that draws
> people to TDE.
I don't have a Mageia system to test this on but
according to their
website they have an empty transitional package with no files and
no dependencies which you can install instead of mageia-theme:
I do not know whether trinity-tdebase fails gracefully
if the
wallpaper and start button icon are missing.
Nice you found it, but it's not so good:
# urpmi mageia-theme-Default
http://mirrors.mageia.org/api/mageia.8.x86_64.list:
media/core/release/mageia-theme-Default-8.0-2.mga8.noarch.rpm
installing mageia-theme-Default-8.0-2.mga8.noarch.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
Preparing...
##########################################################################################################################################################
1/1: mageia-theme-Default
##########################################################################################################################################################
# urpme mageia-theme
To satisfy dependencies, the following 5 packages will be removed (10MB):
icewm-2.0.1-2.mga8.x86_64
(due to unsatisfied icewm-light >= 1:2.0.1)
icewm-light-2.0.1-2.mga8.x86_64
(due to missing icewm-theme-oxygen-aya)
icewm-theme-oxygen-aya-0.1-13.mga8.noarch
(due to missing mageia-theme)
mageia-theme-8.0-2.mga8.noarch
(due to missing plymouth-system-theme)
plymouth-system-theme-0.9.5-5.mga8.x86_64
(due to missing plymouth(system-theme))
Remove 5 packages? (y/N) n
IceWM is my fallback/alternate to/for TDE. :(
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based on faith, not based on science.
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Felix Miata
7:52 a.m.
On Sun October 9 2022 23:50:52 Felix Miata wrote:
Nice you found it, but it's not so good:
# urpmi mageia-theme-Default
http://mirrors.mageia.org/api/mageia.8.x86_64.list:
media/core/release/mageia-theme-Default-8.0-2.mga8.noarch.rpm installing
mageia-theme-Default-8.0-2.mga8.noarch.rpm from /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
Preparing...
###########################################################################
############################################################################
### 1/1: mageia-theme-Default
###########################################################################
############################################################################
### # urpme mageia-theme
To satisfy dependencies, the following 5 packages will be removed (10MB):
icewm-2.0.1-2.mga8.x86_64
(due to unsatisfied icewm-light >= 1:2.0.1)
icewm-light-2.0.1-2.mga8.x86_64
(due to missing icewm-theme-oxygen-aya)
icewm-theme-oxygen-aya-0.1-13.mga8.noarch
(due to missing mageia-theme)
mageia-theme-8.0-2.mga8.noarch
(due to missing plymouth-system-theme)
plymouth-system-theme-0.9.5-5.mga8.x86_64
(due to missing plymouth(system-theme))
Remove 5 packages? (y/N) n
IceWM is my fallback/alternate to/for TDE. :(
icewm-theme-oxygen-aya needs mageia-theme needs plymouth stuff in
Mageia and there's nothing TDE can do about that.
Maybe there's a different icewm theme in Mageia that doesn't need
plymouth. I don't know.
--Mike
11 Oct
11 Oct
10:12 a.m.
On 2022-10-10 00:38:01 Felix Miata wrote:
J Leslie Turriff composed on 2022-10-10 00:21
(UTC-0500):
Sure, /somebody/ could do it. But changing a hard dep to a soft dep should
amount to little more than a bit flip at build configure time. I'm thankful
that François is able to provide rpm builds. I don't want to be asking for
more of his time by sidetracking into theme re-development. I would expect
the XDG system to provide something as a suitable substitute if TDE's own
icons couldn't be used in place of Mageia's imposing Plymouth deps.
Fair enough.
Leslie
--
Platform: GNU/Linux
Hardware: x86_64
Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.4
Desktop Environment: Trinity
Qt: 3.5.0
TDE: R14.0.12
tde-config: 1.0
François...
Would it be possible to provide a 'TDE version' of mageia-theme-Default
with its plymouth dependencies removed?
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