Hi, Ok, I'll look at the text band in the middle. I tried to use the existing color band, but after I cut the top and the bottom blue and tested it. I stumbled on the problem that the middle part is taking all of the width. With the previous non-transparent pictures, it was not seen, because the 2 side pictures would cover the problem. If someone here can help me to find a way to delimit the band to start at the end of the left picture and stop at the beginning of the right picture. The pictures are ready, if someone find a way to do it. If it is not possible to do, the 2 following options are available: 1.Keep the old top part, which would pretty much loose the effect or 2. Keep it without the old light colored band. But the old light colored band has probably made its time too... I'll look at that! -Alexandre

Hi, I think that we just didn't understood it in the same way :) I already have the pictures. The top part is made of 3 items: -The left part, where there is the TDE logo. This part has a fixed size. -The middle part, which is where you see the horizontal stripe on the actual TDEUI. This part has an adaptive size, depending of the screen resolution. -The left part, where you can see the rounded part of the ribbon. This part has a fixed size. Here is the drawing order of the current TDEUI: -The middle part is repeated horizontally across all of the screen width. -The left part is drawn on top of the left part. -The right part is drawn on top or the right part. It causes no problems with the old TDEUI, because these pictures were not transparent at all. So, the left and right parts covers fully the middle part, which would be otherwise displayed all across the width of the window. But, with the transparent pictures, the problem is that this horizontal ribbon is still seen all across the screen, which is ugly, as in the attachement... What I'd want to do is to find a way to make the middle part be drawn only at the end of the left picture and stop at the beginning of the right picture. Is it possible? Also, I tried to transform the Welcome to... bar in a box, but for an unknown the same transparency that works for the box doesn't work for the bar... Which is pretty much going to stay a bar... Except that it can be adjusted to have the same width as the box under it. -Alexandre

Hi, I think you understood well the situation. This new design allow use of any picture as the background and it is something that I would like to keep, if it is possible. I don't know much about web programming, but I did it by comparing the differents sections with the same file in KDE 4.10. Would it be possible for you to provide the code for the header part, with a headerCenter div? If it is not possible at all, the solution that I would personally prefer is to drop that rounded ribbon, just as in the first picture proposed in this post. I also prefer brighter color in large areas such as the toned-down Crystal-fire picture of the second proposal. It also looks more like classic 3.5.10 KDE, but it looses the similarity with the new K menu side picture and the splash. If this design end up being choosen, I a willing to modify the other similar pages in TDE. As of now, I think that these are: Konqueror, TDE Control Center, Akregator and Help. Thank you! -Alexandre

Okay, I think I have it. You need to make changes to two files. In {TDE}/share/apps/konqueror/about/intro.html , change <div id="headerL"/> <div id="headerR"/> to <div id="headerL"/> <div id="headerCenter"/> <div id="headerR"/> This surgery is also going to have to be performed on most of the other HTML files in the same directory--all but one of them use the same header. Then go to the first stylesheet (kde_infopage.css on my system, might be tde_infopage.css or the like on yours) and patch it with the attached .diff file. After that, you should have a new headerCenter div that displays the background stripe only where you want it. If this doesn't work, there's some kind of file regeneration step missing--I saved off a copy of the page instead of trying to work with the system files. E. Liddell Thank you for your great work! It works right as it should! The new transparent picture with the ribbon is not yet 100% like I want it, but it gives a good idea of what it would be. I personally definitely like the one with the toned-down Crystal-fire background. It is more in style with classic KDE 3.5.10.2, so it won't hurt too much the more conservative users :), while providing something less flat, with a texture. It also fits much better with the actual ribbon, which I still have to work on, to make it integrate well with any picture. I still have to check out why does ''Akregator'' and ''Help'' does not uses the regular TDEUI files, and uses their own ones. Also, Michele talked about transforming the bar, under the top part, into a box, just like the middle box. I tried to adapt the file to transform it in a box, by comparing the text, but for an unknown reason, the transparency doesn't work around the rounded corners, just as on the middle box. Is there something to do about it? Tell me which one you prefer! Or if you want to submit another background, to check what it would look like. -Alexandre

Hi, This one doesn't seem to work! But in the KDEUI folder there are some ''bar-(part)-(position of it).png'' pictures without transparencies. I guess that I am not the first one to have this problem. Can you look at the kde_infopage.css, to see if you can find the problem? I don't understand why the transparency would work for the box, but not for the bar... If you try it on your system, it is possible that you will not have all the pictures. Thank you for your help! -Alexandre

Try applying the attached diff to kde_infopage.css . On my system, it produces identical boxes around the bar and the original box area (except that the bar doesn't have the world map background image). At the moment, it's using the "box-(part)-(position).png" graphics for both. If you want to separate them, go to the section with the "* the nav bar" header and change the filenames in each "background-image: url([file]);" line. E. Liddell Thank you! Now the bar is a box and it works well. It was a good idea to transform it in a box! I will probably modify the corners and the borders to make it appear vertically slimmer. These borders were quite big. The ribbon is really hard to make it fit with different colors. I did try different combinations of effects on the ribbon, but it never seems to fit as I would like it. If someone still have somewhere the original file of the ribbon only, with transparency, it would help a lot. But unfortunately, I think that it has been lost in history... As of now, what I suggest is either: 1. Using the toned-down version of the Crystal-fire background with the ribbon. Fits really well. 2. Using the Lineart logo background (the dark one) version without the ribbon, as in the first proposal. Do you really want to keep the ribbon? I would like to have the opinion of Timothy Pearson on this one too, if possible. -Alexandre

ect: RE: [trinity-devel] R: [trinity-devel] New TDEUI proposal Here it is! I wanted to slim-down the top box vertically, but I didn't had the time yet. It is not final picture yet too. -Alexandre

Yes, it will be better with the ribbon. Hi, Okay, now I think that it has attained a level where I like it! I have been able to cut the background around the original ribbon much better, to the point where it fits quite well with various backgrounds. -The one with the natural green background is not a proposal - it is only to show that the TDEUI has now full support for transparency and different background, as opposed to the old one. But it looks so good that it is almost making the others looking plain, boring :) I think that it will be a good idea to replace the old TDEUI with this one for R14, because all of the TDE and KDE reviews are always showing either Konqueror or the Control Center. If reviewers sees no visual change at all, they will think that TDE has not progressed from classic KDE 3.5.10, even if it is not true. I would still like to have the advice or opinion of the other devs. Michele, can you contact them, just in case they don't look at this message? -Alexandre

On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 20:35:56 -0400 Alexandre &lt;ac586133(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote: Okay, a few things: 1. The dark blue version does look better than the light one (something about hue or saturation that I'm too lazy to figure out) 2. Both of them would probably look better if the opaque background in the center portion of the boxes was translucent instead. Since Konqueror doesn't support CSS3, that means using a translucent .png image instead of the solid-colour background provided by the stylesheet. I can help you with the CSS for this if you need it. Alternatively, you could either make the inner part of the border opaque while leaving the outer part translucent, or "fade in" the opacity towards the center using a gradient. 3. If we're going to do extensive visual rebranding of Trinity (and I don't object to that--moving away from the KDE3 default scheme is a reasonable thing to do), we should do it completely and consistently if possible. That means that the splash screen (which you've already hit), the Konqueror/Control Center background, and I think the default desktop wallpaper, should clearly go together, as they do in KDE3. 4. Yes, I would like to keep the ribbon, although I think you cut too much of it on the last iteration when you ditched the intended-to-be-translucent stripes. I can try to reconstruct the original graphic properly this weekend--I've been meaning to for a while anyway. I'll tweak the website, etc. to match whatever the final product turns out to be. E. Liddell

Alex, IMO the latest version is absolutely brilliant! Great job!! Let's wait for a few days, but if there are no objections I would like to push it to GIT sometime next week. Then we will also need the same thing for Konqueror. Even if you do not use the default background, would you consider working on it when you have time so that the people that use it can have a full "new style" experience? That would be much appreciated. Cheers Michele

Hi, First of all, for those who might be interested in it, I have found earlier today a page on the KDE website where there is ''almost'' source files of different graphic elements used in classic KDE: http://www.kde.org/stuff/clipart.php E. Liddell, if you still intent to rebuild the top ribbon, it might help you. I have also found the SVG scalable file of the Lineart-logo background on kde-look.org: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/KDE+Lineart+Logo+for+16%3A10+displays?… It is not ready yet to be pushed to GIT. I want to have it in a ''final'' state, before I can adapt it to other TDE apps using it, such as aKregator, Help, Konqueror... Slavek, I made a rapid simulation of what you wrote about in KPaint. Not sure, but we won't know until we try! I'm sorry, I'm not sure to understand the second one you asked for. Can you give more details? My preferred one is proposal 8, but it is certainly not going to be accepted :) Thank you! If you have any idea, just let me know! -Alexandre

Hi, Here it is! -Alexandre

On Saturday 09 of August 2014 15:53:30 Michele Calgaro wrote: For me exactly the same - both are good, I prefer tdeui13. Thank you Alexandre. -- Slavek

On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 22:04:19 -0400 Alexandre &lt;ac586133(a)hotmail.com&gt; wrote: Try the attached. (I also corrected some syntax and moved the title and tagline over 20px so that they can't overlap the logo.) This fixes the main page background only in place. That odd vendor-specific -khtml-background-size attribute seems to make the background scale with the window (rather than with the page content). It would be dangerous to try to do the same for the banner, etc. because Konqueror doesn't quite interpret the CSS attribute required correctly, causing the page to break in weird ways if the window is resized. Just doing it to the main background seems to be okay, though. Even if it doesn't help performance, we might want to consider keeping the look anyway. E. Liddell

Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 15:24:06 -0400 From: ejlddll(a)googlemail.com To: trinity-devel(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Subject: Re: [trinity-devel] R: [trinity-devel] New TDEUI proposal And here is the swoosh as an independent graphical element, without the background, globe, gear, etc. Original svg and png export at 96 dpi. Hope that's of use. E. Liddell ------ Hi, Thank you! I'll adapt the pictures to use it! Can you take a look at bug report 2087? It is not really even causing a bug, but it is strange to find 2 folders with exactly the same tdeui content... Thanks! I'll prepare the rest by the beginning of the week. Alexandre

On Monday 11 August 2014 01:34:20 Alexandre wrote: For me it does not honour the browser setting ! If I leave it empty then I get Konqueror when I click on a link. Thanks Guys. Looking forward to R14. -- Best Regards: Baron

For me, the ribbon of tdeui15 looks better. I think one more small change is required for tdeui15. Alex, could you raise the "Trinity Control Center - Configure your desktop environment." text a little bit, so that it does not overlap with the ribbon, as in tdeui13? Thanks as always! Cheers Michele

Wow! Great work. Thanks to both you and E. for such big effort. - Kmail and Akregator looks ok to me, ready to be pushed. - TDE Control Center looks good as well, but I propose we remove the dot at the end of "Configure your desktop environment". After that it should be ready to be pushed as well. - Konqueror looks good but IMO it is not fully ready. The center part has a whitish background, which somehow differs from the rest of the TDE theme. Could you try the following things? 1) using the same blueish background used in TDE Control Center? 2) using the whitish background but with rounded corners instead of 90 degree ones, so that is looks "aligned" with the borders around it. Sorry for the continuous change requests, but since we are doing a new style let's make it as good as possible :-) Let's also see the opinions of other users. Cheers Michele

On Wed, 13 Aug 2014 02:09:47 +0100 Michele Calgaro &lt;michele.calgaro(a)yahoo.it&gt; wrote: I'm not entirely pleased with the placement of the text for these--it looks like it should be moved downward a bit so that it's centered in the space between the top logo edge and the top ribbon edge. That's likely the fault of the stylesheet, though. (Yes, I'm picky. Alexandre, if you're feeling beset, feel free to ignore me.) You're talking about the "world map" graphic--it probably needs to be translucent to the same degree as the other background graphics if we want to avoid that effect. E. Liddell --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-devel-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-devel-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting Trop de bulletins d’informations ? Vous pouvez résilier l’abonnement. Actions Michele Calgaro 2014-08-12 Groupes À : trinity-devel(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Wow! Great work. Thanks to both you and E. for such big effort. - Kmail and Akregator looks ok to me, ready to be pushed. - TDE Control Center looks good as well, but I propose we remove the dot at the end of "Configure your desktop environment". After that it should be ready to be pushed as well. - Konqueror looks good but IMO it is not fully ready. The center part has a whitish background, which somehow differs from the rest of the TDE theme. Could you try the following things? 1) using the same blueish background used in TDE Control Center? 2) using the whitish background but with rounded corners instead of 90 degree ones, so that is looks "aligned" with the borders around it. Sorry for the continuous change requests, but since we are doing a new style let's make it as good as possible :-) Let's also see the opinions of other users. Cheers Michele Ok, I think I'll just drop the world map for the same transparent png file as the others. What is doing this is that aKregator and Kmail does not have a second line of smaller text under the big title. Since these 2 apps already use a seperate set of TDEUI files, maybe we could just drop bug report 2087, so that I'll be able to center the text with a different setting for these 2 apps. Yes, I plan to either drop this background map to use the same transparent png as the other apps. Or maybe I can replace the ''water'' with the transparent png, so that only ''land'' will not be transparent? The last one that I need to look at is KHelpCenter. But this one is different, and I don't fully understand how to do it. I am looking for the ''skeleton'' file, from where, as I understand, help files are built with. A little like the kde_infopage.css, but for the help. I have seen png files in /opt/trinity/share/doc/tde/HTML/en/khelpcenter/common/, but I'm not sure yet what to do with it. -Alexandre

Thanks Alex, later I will test and possibly post some screenshot for everyone to see. Cheers Michele

Okay, still waiting for other's view on this. Would still like to have Timothy Pearson's view on this one. Once it will be said as ''ready'', I will adapt it for the other apps using TDEUI, such as Konqueror, aKregator, Help,... -Alexandre

On Saturday 09 of August 2014 18:29:39 Jonesy wrote: A little exaggerated comparison. In this discussion: + is only a small number of discussants + talk is constructive + relatively quickly finding consensus But I understand that you're impatient for a long-delayed R14 final release... -- Slavek