5 Jul
2011
5 Jul
'11
7:58 a.m.
I received this Email recently from a Trinity user, and am reposting it
here so that we all can get a better bead on what our users are wanting to
see.
Tim
5 Jul
5 Jul
11:15 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
Le Tue, 5 Jul 2011 02:58:01 -0500,
"Timothy Pearson" <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net> a écrit :
I received this Email recently from a Trinity user,
and am reposting
it here so that we all can get a better bead on what our users are
wanting to see.
Tim
About the e-mail:
Midori isn't Qt4 but GTK2. AFAIK the only Qt4 browser that doesn't
depend on kdelibs4 is Arora.
1:27 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
On Tuesday 05 July 2011 11:58:01 Timothy Pearson wrote:
I received this Email recently from a Trinity user,
and am reposting it
here so that we all can get a better bead on what our users are wanting to
see.
Tim
Needs serous rebranding, since packets are still
marked as kde3,
until rebranding is done trinity will be considered a KDE3.5 keep alive
and not a separate desktop environment. This will prevent it from
gaining popularity for example as lightweight alternative to kde4, gnome
or other interfaces.
Untrue. KDE is a more recognizable brand. If "Trinity" was invented as a
separate DE without any
connection to KDE3, it would still be unknown.
It's unnecessary to keep KOffice alive. KOffice
is outdated and
anyway incompatible with file-types most people use (those of MS Office
or OO.org).
Untrue. It has a basic support for ODF/ODT, and better support can be ported from KDE4.
We have OO.org and it's derivate. At most, taking
oo.org and
making a fork in qt4 would be reasonable
Untrue. OpenOffice is not Qt4-based. Porting it to Qt is an enormous work
(already attempted by a team, unsuccessfully, now abandoned).
For maintenance reasons, and to simplify work on
upgrading trinity
some of the original kde3.5 apps should be abandoned.
DE without apps does not make sense.
next would be digikam
which has newer versions for kde4.
Dikikam's KDE4 version is closely integrated with KDE4. It is impossible to use it
without
installing KDE4. The same is with all other KDE4 applications.
The main problem behind maintaining and creating
trinity versions of
some apps from kde3.5 which now have versions for kde4 is that if they
are kept the two projects will end having apps which are or totally
different (and maintained by different teams) and have same names
This is already the case, blame the KDE4 team. You cannot reconcile the two:
KDE4 apps use KDE4 libraries and cannot be separated from KDE4.
2:25 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
On 05/07/2011 15:27, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
This is already the case, blame the KDE4 team. You
cannot reconcile the two:
KDE4 apps use KDE4 libraries and cannot be separated from KDE4.
Fortunately, they can run really smoothly on Trinity, but it can be a little mess
with
$PATH, etc.
Nicolas
2:36 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
Le Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:25:58 +0200,
Nicolas Bercher <nbercher(a)yahoo.fr> a écrit :
On 05/07/2011 15:27, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
With the drawback that it will load both kdelibs3 and
kdelibs4 into
memory. If you have enough memory to accommodate the 2 versions of
kdelibs, you have probably enough memory to run KDE4.
This is already the case, blame the KDE4 team.
You cannot reconcile
the two: KDE4 apps use KDE4 libraries and cannot be separated from
KDE4.
Fortunately, they can run really smoothly on Trinity, but it can be a
little mess with $PATH, etc.
Nicolas
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5:38 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
Le Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:25:58 +0200,
Nicolas Bercher <nbercher(a)yahoo.fr> a écrit :
Just because you can run KDE4 doesn't mean you *want* to run KDE4. I have
heard from many that simply don't like KDE4 for a variety of fundamental
reasons.
Also, just to be clear, I don't necessarily endorse what was written in
that message. I simply passed on the Email that I received so that I
could get some feedback from the people on this list. Thanks all for your
replies; they help!
Tim
On 05/07/2011 15:27, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
With the drawback that it will load both kdelibs3 and
kdelibs4 into
memory. If you have enough memory to accommodate the 2 versions of
kdelibs, you have probably enough memory to run KDE4.
>
> Nicolas This is already the case, blame the KDE4 team.
You cannot reconcile
the two: KDE4 apps use KDE4 libraries and cannot be separated from
KDE4.
Fortunately, they can run really smoothly on Trinity, but it can be a
little mess with $PATH, etc.
6:45 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
On Tuesday 05 July 2011 18:36:45 /dev/ammo42 wrote:
With the drawback that it will load both kdelibs3 and
kdelibs4 into
memory. If you have enough memory to accommodate the 2 versions of
kdelibs, you have probably enough memory to run KDE4.
And the drawback that your desktop settings do not affect them.
This is already the case, blame the KDE4 team. You
cannot reconcile
the two: KDE4 apps use KDE4 libraries and cannot be separated from
KDE4.
Fortunately, they can run really smoothly on Trinity, but it can be a
little mess with $PATH, etc.
6 Jul
6 Jul
12:07 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
On 05/07/2011 20:45, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
And the drawback that your desktop settings do not
affect them.
Clearly, that's was really annoying too! Seemed to me like playing
too much with gnome
settings under KDE3.
Nicolas
12:05 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
On 05/07/2011 16:36, /dev/ammo42 wrote:
With the drawback that it will load both kdelibs3 and
kdelibs4 into
memory. If you have enough memory to accommodate the 2 versions of
kdelibs, you have probably enough memory to run KDE4.
Oh come on! Please, do not
answer things like that. There are so many different people
on Earth and we all have so many different choices & reasons for doing things or not
doing
them.
I tried KDE4 for a few weeks, maybe 2 months. And it was just too bad for my needs.
Before using it, I thought about somethings like "KDE4 must be KDE3 with more glossy
graphics rendering and *upgraded packages*", and I also thought I could disable
almost of
the graphics stuff, but, no. KDE4 missis some basic options KDE3 had, and KDE3 had them
for good reasons (I just think about alt-f5 shortcut (show all windows list) that is no
more available in KDE4 *if* you don't own powerful 3D graphics card).
Then, I found Trinity, installed it and was sooooooooooooo happy! I kept some KDE4 apps
for a while (kpdf, amarok2, etc.) but it was kind of a mess. So I finally removed all of
them and get back to my beloved "KDE3 desktop". Just what I wanted while
upgrading to
Debian Squeeze.
BTW, re-thank you so much for doing Trinity!
Nicolas
5 Jul
5 Jul
6:44 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
On Tuesday 05 July 2011 18:25:58 Nicolas Bercher wrote:
They can run smoothly on anything: Gnome, XTerm, XFce, TWM. They just are not integrated
with all those desktops and environments.
This is
already the case, blame the KDE4 team. You cannot reconcile the two:
KDE4 apps use KDE4 libraries and cannot be separated from KDE4.
Fortunately, they can run really smoothly on Trinity, but it can be a little mess
with
$PATH, etc. 
6 Jul
6 Jul
12:55 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
On 2011-07-05, Ilya Chernykh <anixxsus(a)gmail.com> wrote:
And how much time and effort will that take? Right now the theme is
fixing bugs, not making new functionality.
My opinion is that if we can take better and newer Qt4 applications
and port them to TQt instead of keeping old ones with the same
functionality and name alive, that sounds like a better option to me.
Depends what apps.
Sadly, yes. It seems to me that we're probably the ones who will have
to rebrand...
--
later, Robert Xu + rxu AT lincomlinux DOT org
On Tuesday 05 July 2011 11:58:01 Timothy Pearson
wrote:
No, I agree. We need to make sure that people know this is the Trinity DE.
This was already discussed how we want to keep the branding in the
March? Monthly Meeting.
I received this Email recently from a Trinity
user, and am reposting it
here so that we all can get a better bead on what our users are wanting to
see.
Tim
Needs serous rebranding, since packets are still
marked as kde3,
until rebranding is done trinity will be considered a KDE3.5 keep alive
and not a separate desktop environment. This will prevent it from
gaining popularity for example as lightweight alternative to kde4, gnome
or other interfaces.
Untrue. KDE is a more recognizable brand. If "Trinity" was invented as a
separate DE without any
connection to KDE3, it would still be unknown. It's unnecessary to keep KOffice alive.
KOffice is outdated and
anyway incompatible with file-types most people use (those of MS Office
or OO.org).
Untrue. It has a basic support for ODF/ODT, and better support can be ported
from KDE4.
Untrue. OpenOffice is not Qt4-based. Porting it to Qt is an enorm
ous work
(already attempted by a team, unsuccessfully, now
abandoned).
I agree - this is enormous work.
The Libreoffice team is happy to accept a TQt interface theme, so if
it makes LO more integrated into Trinity, it seems reasonable. But
that's not in any priority right now.
For maintenance reasons, and to simplify work on
upgrading trinity
some of the original kde3.5 apps should be abandoned.
DE without apps does not make sense. next would be digikam
which has newer versions for kde4.
Dikikam's KDE4 version is closely integrated with KDE4. It is impossible to
use it without
installing KDE4. The same is with all other KDE4 applications.
The main problem behind maintaining and creating
trinity versions of
some apps from kde3.5 which now have versions for kde4 is that if they
are kept the two projects will end having apps which are or totally
different (and maintained by different teams) and have same names
This is already the case, blame the KDE4 team. You cannot reconcile the two:
KDE4 apps use KDE4 libraries and cannot be separated from KDE4.
7:25 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
On Wednesday 06 July 2011 04:55:23 Robert Xu wrote:
Don't know but the filters are quite independent from the rest.
Each occupies its own source directory and has a .desktop file for calling it.
Untrue. It has
a basic support for ODF/ODT, and better support can be ported
from KDE4.
And how much time and effort will that take? Right now the theme is
fixing bugs, not making new functionality. My opinion is that if we can take better and newer Qt4
applications
and port them to TQt instead of keeping old ones with the same
functionality and name alive, that sounds like a better option to me.
Has at least one Qt4 application been ported to TQt to date?
12:50 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
Rebranding: To what extent? I don't think renaming all files is necessary. I think
most of the branding issues are resolved. If the user is addressing app names, I am
content with the old "K" naming scheme. I also like the idea that with the
"K" naming convention people can see and remember the KDE3 roots, which I think
is a selling point.
KOffice: I never piped in on that debate, but I see no reason to maintain most of KOffice.
LibreOffice is more than acceptable as a replacement. I do think the wiki needs to be
updated with instructions how to build LibreOffice to ensure native KDE3/Trinity file
picker support (using the --enable-kde build option). I think a handful of apps from
KOffice should be maintained, such as Kivio, Krita, etc. I don't see a need to
maintain the main apps.
Digikam: Are all the new features provided in the QT4 version necessary? I am no camera
junkie, but I depend upon Digikam in KDE3 to interface with my digital camera. I'd
hate to see that app disappear in Trinity. I'm happy with the older version of
Digikam. The appeal of Trinity is that of being light weight compared to KDE4 and GNOME 3.
I see no reason not to maintain light weight versions of various apps.
Browser: I don't see a viable solution to providing a built-in web browser for
Trinity. Konqueror in KDE3 never was as extensible or usable as Firefox. That is not going
to change soon in KDE4. I think web browsers should not be a concern or component of
Trinity. I still think Konqueror in KDE3/Trinity is the best file manager available. I
hope that does not change.
Light weight desktop: I don't use KDE 4 enough to add to the perception of being
bloated. I agree that KDE4 from upstream is configured for bleeding edge hardware with all
the various desktop effects enabled by default. Likewise with GNOME 3, which works only on
hardware with 3D video accelerators. I have noticed that since the advent of GNOME 3 and
Unity, many people are now offering "light weight" distros. The new Porteus
portable system, a successor replacement for Slax, uses Trinity 3.5.12. Other distros are
now offering Xfce and LXDE as choices over KDE4 and GNOME 3. Many people are unhappy with
the direction of KDE4, GNOME 3, Unity. I foresee no reconciliation because the people
controlling those environments are on a different plane of existence than people who want
light weight but flexible desktops.
In other words, there is a healthy market for Trinity. Stay focused on the desktop and
existing apps in the source tree.
Will users compare Trinity to KDE4? I think that is inevitable and unavoidable. Reviewers
are likely to notice what "features" are available in KDE4 and unavailable in
Trinity. With that said, the same can be done with comparing Xfce and LXDE to KDE4. There
is a significant difference and always will be --- and should be. Any reviewer who argues
otherwise is missing the point.
I vote for not worrying about trying to maintain Trinity as feature rich as KDE4 or
backporting features. There is too much a price to pay. The user who is attracted to Xfce,
LXDE, and Trinity are not looking for every single feature imaginable. They want a
flexible but stable desktop. They want a sense of continuity and cohesiveness with apps.
Trinity provides that.
The competition for Trinity is Xfce and LXDE, not KDE4.
Complete the cmake conversion. Resolve a few dozen critical and paper cut bugs. Update the
wiki and web sites to emphasize the light weight appeal. I expect to read many positive
reviews when Trinity 3.5.13 is announced.
Darrell
1 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
On 2011-07-06, Darrell Anderson <humanreadable(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Rebranding: To what extent? I don't think renaming
all files is necessary. I
think most of the branding issues are resolved. If the user is addressing
app names, I am content with the old "K" naming scheme. I also like the idea
that with the "K" naming convention people can see and remember the KDE3
roots, which I think is a selling point.
You make a good point here.
KOffice: I never piped in on that debate, but I see no reason to maintain
most of KOffice. LibreOffice is more than acceptable as a replacement. I do
think the wiki needs to be updated with instructions how to build
LibreOffice to ensure native KDE3/Trinity file picker support (using the
--enable-kde build option). I think a handful of apps from KOffice should be
maintained, such as Kivio, Krita, etc. I don't see a need to maintain the
main apps.
When you put it that way... Is it possible to maintain a subset of
KOffice? Like Darell said, only a handful of apps? Or is it all or
nothing?
Digikam: Are all the new features provided in the QT4 version necessary? I
am no camera junkie, but I depend upon Digikam in KDE3 to interface with my
digital camera. I'd hate to see that app disappear in Trinity. I'm happy
with the older version of Digikam. The appeal of Trinity is that of being
light weight compared to KDE4 and GNOME 3. I see no reason not to maintain
light weight versions of various apps.
Browser: I don't see a viable solution to providing a built-in web browser
for Trinity. Konqueror in KDE3 never was as extensible or usable as Firefox.
That is not going to change soon in KDE4. I think web browsers should not be
a concern or component of Trinity. I still think Konqueror in KDE3/Trinity
is the best file manager available. I hope that does not change.
Light weight desktop: I don't use KDE 4 enough to add to the perception of
being bloated. I agree that KDE4 from upstream is configured for bleeding
edge hardware with all the various desktop effects enabled by default.
Likewise with GNOME 3, which works only on hardware with 3D video
accelerators. I have noticed that since the advent of GNOME 3 and Unity,
many people are now offering "light weight" distros. The new Porteus
portable system, a successor replacement for Slax, uses Trinity 3.5.12.
Other distros are now offering Xfce and LXDE as choices over KDE4 and GNOME
3. Many people are unhappy with the direction of KDE4, GNOME 3, Unity. I
foresee no reconciliation because the people controlling those environments
are on a different plane of existence than people who want light weight but
flexible desktops.
In other words, there is a healthy market for Trinity. Stay focused on the
desktop and existing apps in the source tree.
Will users compare Trinity to KDE4? I think that is inevitable and
unavoidable. Reviewers are likely to notice what "features" are available in
KDE4 and unavailable in Trinity. With that said, the same can be done with
comparing Xfce and LXDE to KDE4. There is a significant difference and
always will be --- and should be. Any reviewer who argues otherwise is
missing the point.
I vote for not worrying about trying to maintain Trinity as feature rich as
KDE4 or backporting features. There is too much a price to pay. The user who
is attracted to Xfce, LXDE, and Trinity are not looking for every single
feature imaginable. They want a flexible but stable desktop. They want a
sense of continuity and cohesiveness with apps. Trinity provides that.
The competition for Trinity is Xfce and LXDE, not KDE4.
Complete the cmake conversion. Resolve a few dozen critical and paper cut
bugs. Update the wiki and web sites to emphasize the light weight appeal. I
expect to read many positive reviews when Trinity 3.5.13 is announced.
Well put in many ways.
--
later, Robert Xu + rxu AT lincomlinux DOT org
7:32 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
On Wednesday 06 July 2011 05:00:07 Robert Xu wrote:
You people miss the point: there is no other office suite in the world which
is so closely integrated with KDE3 as KOffice. For instance, it provides KParts
which are used in say, Konqueror, that's why you can open a text document
in Konqueror like a web page. You can imbed web pages in your documents
as well.
There is no such thing in Libre/Open Office. There was a project named Cuckooo,
but it does not build now
https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=cuckooo&project=home%3A…
KOffice: I
never piped in on that debate, but I see no reason to maintain
most of KOffice. LibreOffice is more than acceptable as a replacement. I do
think the wiki needs to be updated with instructions how to build
LibreOffice to ensure native KDE3/Trinity file picker support (using the
--enable-kde build option). I think a handful of apps from KOffice should be
maintained, such as Kivio, Krita, etc. I don't see a need to maintain the
main apps.
When you put it that way... Is it possible to maintain a subset of
KOffice? Like Darell said, only a handful of apps? Or is it all or
nothing? 
12:14 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
I fully agree with you Darrell there is no need to try and replicate
kde 4 in doing so you would just be heading in the same direction as
them trinity should be finding its own path those who want all the
kde4 features are still free to chose kde4 there is no need to turn
trinity into another kde4 and doing so would be a mistake in my
opinion.
I completely agree.
You people miss the point: there is no other office suite in the world which
is so closely integrated with KDE3 as KOffice. For instance, it provides KParts
which are used in say, Konqueror, that's why you can open a text document
in Konqueror like a web page. You can imbed web pages in your documents
as well.
Unfortunately this is true.
Also true is how difficult it would be to maintain koffice with
such a small devel group. Its likely the most immediately effective
solution is to leave koffice as is, and use an up to date OOo (or the
like) as possible until the project has enough devel to tacle the
koffice problem.
Logic dictates; work with the problems you can reach first, the
rest will fall into reach, if any remain.
Kate
On 7/6/11, Ilya Chernykh <anixxsus(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday 06 July 2011 05:00:07 Robert Xu wrote:
You people miss the point: there is no other office suite in the world which
is so closely integrated with KDE3 as KOffice. For instance, it provides
KParts
which are used in say, Konqueror, that's why you can open a text document
in Konqueror like a web page. You can imbed web pages in your documents
as well.
There is no such thing in Libre/Open Office. There was a project named
Cuckooo,
but it does not build now
https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=cuckooo&project=home%3A…
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KOffice:
I never piped in on that debate, but I see no reason to
maintain
most of KOffice. LibreOffice is more than acceptable as a replacement. I
do
think the wiki needs to be updated with instructions how to build
LibreOffice to ensure native KDE3/Trinity file picker support (using the
--enable-kde build option). I think a handful of apps from KOffice
should be
maintained, such as Kivio, Krita, etc. I don't see a need to maintain
the
main apps.
When you put it that way... Is it possible to maintain a subset of
KOffice? Like Darell said, only a handful of apps? Or is it all or
nothing? 
7 Jul
7 Jul
1:46 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
I disagree with everything he says this guy's mail.
It is clear that this person keep a different perspective to that of a linux
user wants, (i must cited kde was a desktop in a UNIX-Like filosophy,
everithing its configurable and integrate-able),* as** most of all mortals
are windoseros who worry about these problems that this guy cited, in
particular* I do not use any tools and formats cited by this man.
*Another thing that he did not note, is the maintenance work desk, saying "is
a simplekde3" or "No names have been changed" does not take into account
that
few people in trinity against the many that was in KDE series 3. Besides, it
is easy to critics but nothing of work apported, this men is a simple
windozer criticizing but does not provide any of contrib work.*
Although some notes are considered, but I think are not necessary at this
time, as a contribution I'm trying to do a live more lighter than the
current winbuntu that is available in oficial trinity downloads (it is
very good
but consumes a lot of ram and the boot is not so fast).
..guys, everibody are doing a great job!
I could not resist and had to make an entry in my blog this anti windoseros
.
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com/2011/07/windoer-notes-about-trinity-notas-…
hope finish at this mail send.
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Katheryne Draven <borgqueen4(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
I fully agree with you Darrell there is no need to try
and replicate
kde 4 in doing so you would just be heading in the same direction as
them trinity should be finding its own path those who want all the
kde4 features are still free to chose kde4 there is no need to turn
trinity into another kde4 and doing so would be a mistake in my
opinion.
I completely agree.
You people miss the point: there is no other office suite in the world
which
is so closely integrated with KDE3 as KOffice. For instance, it provides
KParts
which are used in say, Konqueror, that's why you can open a text document
in Konqueror like a web page. You can imbed web pages in your documents
as well.
Unfortunately this is true.
Also true is how difficult it would be to maintain koffice with
such a small devel group. Its likely the most immediately effective
solution is to leave koffice as is, and use an up to date OOo (or the
like) as possible until the project has enough devel to tacle the
koffice problem.
Logic dictates; work with the problems you can reach first, the
rest will fall into reach, if any remain.
Kate
On 7/6/11, Ilya Chernykh <anixxsus(a)gmail.com> wrote:
You people miss the point: there is no other office suite in the world which
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On Wednesday 06 July 2011 05:00:07 Robert Xu
wrote:
> > KOffice: I never piped in on that debate, but I see no reason to
> > maintain
> > most of KOffice. LibreOffice is more than acceptable as a replacement.
I
> > do
> > think the wiki needs to be updated with instructions how to build
> > LibreOffice to ensure native KDE3/Trinity file picker support (using
the
--enable-kde build option). I think a handful of apps
from KOffice
should be
maintained, such as Kivio, Krita, etc. I don't see a need to maintain
the
main apps.
When you put it that way... Is it possible to maintain a subset of
KOffice? Like Darell said, only a handful of apps? Or is it all or
nothing? is so closely integrated with KDE3 as KOffice.
For instance, it provides
KParts
which are used in say, Konqueror, that's why you can open a text document
in Konqueror like a web page. You can imbed web pages in your documents
as well.
There is no such thing in Libre/Open Office. There was a project named
Cuckooo,
but it does not build now
https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=cuckooo&project=home%3A…
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2:18 p.m.
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Who is this guy?
On 7/7/11, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I disagree with everything he says this guy's
mail.
It is clear that this person keep a different perspective to that of a linux
user wants, (i must cited kde was a desktop in a UNIX-Like filosophy,
everithing its configurable and integrate-able),* as** most of all mortals
are windoseros who worry about these problems that this guy cited, in
particular* I do not use any tools and formats cited by this man.
*Another thing that he did not note, is the maintenance work desk, saying
"is
a simplekde3" or "No names have been changed" does not take into account
that
few people in trinity against the many that was in KDE series 3. Besides, it
is easy to critics but nothing of work apported, this men is a simple
windozer criticizing but does not provide any of contrib work.*
Although some notes are considered, but I think are not necessary at this
time, as a contribution I'm trying to do a live more lighter than the
current winbuntu that is available in oficial trinity downloads (it is
very good
but consumes a lot of ram and the boot is not so fast).
..guys, everibody are doing a great job!
I could not resist and had to make an entry in my blog this anti windoseros
.
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com/2011/07/windoer-notes-about-trinity-notas-…
hope finish at this mail send.
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Katheryne Draven
<borgqueen4(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
I fully agree with you Darrell there is no need
to try and replicate
kde 4 in doing so you would just be heading in the same direction as
them trinity should be finding its own path those who want all the
kde4 features are still free to chose kde4 there is no need to turn
trinity into another kde4 and doing so would be a mistake in my
opinion.
I completely agree.
You people miss the point: there is no other office suite in the world
which
is so closely integrated with KDE3 as KOffice. For instance, it provides
KParts
which are used in say, Konqueror, that's why you can open a text document
in Konqueror like a web page. You can imbed web pages in your documents
as well.
Unfortunately this is true.
Also true is how difficult it would be to maintain koffice with
such a small devel group. Its likely the most immediately effective
solution is to leave koffice as is, and use an up to date OOo (or the
like) as possible until the project has enough devel to tacle the
koffice problem.
Logic dictates; work with the problems you can reach first, the
rest will fall into reach, if any remain.
Kate
On 7/6/11, Ilya Chernykh <anixxsus(a)gmail.com> wrote:
which
--
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http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
Cofundador de Venenux; debian based multimedia alike free only zealots
users (oh well, i try but..too many free guidelines buahhh)
http://shutendouji.net
creador de massenkoh linux; debian enhanchements for better up to date
support on stable brand, including non-free soft.
On Wednesday 06 July 2011 05:00:07 Robert Xu
wrote:
> > KOffice: I never piped in on that debate, but I see no reason to
> > maintain
> > most of KOffice. LibreOffice is more than acceptable as a
> > replacement.
I
> > do
> > think the wiki needs to be updated with instructions how to build
> > LibreOffice to ensure native KDE3/Trinity file picker support (using
the
>
--enable-kde build option). I think a handful of apps from KOffice
> should be
> maintained, such as Kivio, Krita, etc. I don't see a need to maintain
> the
> main apps.
When you put it that way... Is it possible to maintain a subset of
KOffice? Like Darell said, only a handful of apps? Or is it all or
nothing?
You people miss the point: there is no other office suite in the world is so closely integrated with KDE3 as KOffice.
For instance, it provides
KParts
which are used in say, Konqueror, that's why you can open a text
document
in Konqueror like a web page. You can imbed web pages in your documents
as well.
There is no such thing in Libre/Open Office. There was a project named
Cuckooo,
but it does not build now
https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=cuckooo&project=home%3A…
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New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
Sorry I mean when you say ">> I disagree with everything he says this
guy's mail." who are you talking about?
On 7/7/11, Katheryne Draven <borgqueen4(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Who is this guy?
On 7/7/11, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I disagree with everything he says this guy's
mail.
It is clear that this person keep a different perspective to that of a
linux
user wants, (i must cited kde was a desktop in a UNIX-Like filosophy,
everithing its configurable and integrate-able),* as** most of all
mortals
are windoseros who worry about these problems that this guy cited, in
particular* I do not use any tools and formats cited by this man.
*Another thing that he did not note, is the maintenance work desk, saying
"is
a simplekde3" or "No names have been changed" does not take into account
that
few people in trinity against the many that was in KDE series 3. Besides,
it
is easy to critics but nothing of work apported, this men is a simple
windozer criticizing but does not provide any of contrib work.*
Although some notes are considered, but I think are not necessary at this
time, as a contribution I'm trying to do a live more lighter than the
current winbuntu that is available in oficial trinity downloads (it is
very good
but consumes a lot of ram and the boot is not so fast).
..guys, everibody are doing a great job!
I could not resist and had to make an entry in my blog this anti
windoseros
.
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com/2011/07/windoer-notes-about-trinity-notas-…
hope finish at this mail send.
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Katheryne Draven
<borgqueen4(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
I fully agree with you Darrell there is no need
to try and replicate
kde 4 in doing so you would just be heading in the same direction as
them trinity should be finding its own path those who want all the
kde4 features are still free to chose kde4 there is no need to turn
trinity into another kde4 and doing so would be a mistake in my
opinion.
I completely agree.
You people miss the point: there is no other office suite in the world
which
is so closely integrated with KDE3 as KOffice. For instance, it provides
KParts
which are used in say, Konqueror, that's why you can open a text
document
in Konqueror like a web page. You can imbed web pages in your documents
as well.
Unfortunately this is true.
Also true is how difficult it would be to maintain koffice with
such a small devel group. Its likely the most immediately effective
solution is to leave koffice as is, and use an up to date OOo (or the
like) as possible until the project has enough devel to tacle the
koffice problem.
Logic dictates; work with the problems you can reach first, the
rest will fall into reach, if any remain.
Kate
On 7/6/11, Ilya Chernykh <anixxsus(a)gmail.com> wrote:
--
Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
Cofundador de Venenux; debian based multimedia alike free only zealots
users (oh well, i try but..too many free guidelines buahhh)
http://shutendouji.net
creador de massenkoh linux; debian enhanchements for better up to date
support on stable brand, including non-free soft.
On Wednesday 06 July 2011 05:00:07 Robert Xu
wrote:
> > KOffice: I never piped in on that debate, but I see no reason to
> > maintain
> > most of KOffice. LibreOffice is more than acceptable as a
> > replacement.
I
> > do
> > think the wiki needs to be updated with instructions how to build
> > LibreOffice to ensure native KDE3/Trinity file picker support
> > (using
the
> > --enable-kde build option). I think a
handful of apps from KOffice
> > should be
> > maintained, such as Kivio, Krita, etc. I don't see a need to
> > maintain
> > the
> > main apps.
>
> When you put it that way... Is it possible to maintain a subset of
> KOffice? Like Darell said, only a handful of apps? Or is it all or
> nothing?
You people miss the point: there is no other office suite in the world
which
is so closely integrated with KDE3 as KOffice.
For instance, it
provides
KParts
which are used in say, Konqueror, that's why you can open a text
document
in Konqueror like a web page. You can imbed web pages in your
documents
as well.
There is no such thing in Libre/Open Office. There was a project named
Cuckooo,
but it does not build now
https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=cuckooo&project=home%3A…
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2:21 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
(1) Again, NO html mail.
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 21:46, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I disagree with everything he says this
guy's mail.
It is clear that this person keep a different perspective to that of
a linux user wants, (i must cited kde was a desktop in a UNIX-Like
Then what does a linux user want? You are not being specific.
filosophy, everithing its configurable and
integrate-able), as most of
all mortals are windoseros who worry about these problems that this guy
cited, in particular I do not use any tools and formats cited by this man.
Then why do you disagree with everything?
--
later, Robert Xu + rxu AT lincomlinux DOT org
4:26 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
sorry for html mail , i forget that!
err yes i disagree with the mail's guy,
and also i aggreed with first llya Chernykh response
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Robert Xu <robxu9(a)gmail.com> wrote:
(1) Again, NO html mail.
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 21:46, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
--
Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
Cofundador de Venenux; debian based multimedia alike free only zealots
users (oh well, i try but..too many free guidelines buahhh)
http://shutendouji.net
creador de massenkoh linux; debian enhanchements for better up to date
support on stable brand, including non-free soft.
I disagree with everything he says this guy's
mail.
It is clear that this person keep a different perspective to that of
a linux user wants, (i must cited kde was a desktop in a UNIX-Like
Then what does a linux user want? You are not being specific.
filosophy, everithing its configurable and
integrate-able), as most of
all mortals are windoseros who worry about these problems that this guy
cited, in particular I do not use any tools and formats cited by this
man.
Then why do you disagree with everything?
--
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New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
Who is "mail's guy".
I'm so confused I can't see what it is you're disagreeing about.
Kate
On 7/7/11, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
sorry for html mail , i forget that!
err yes i disagree with the mail's guy,
and also i aggreed with first llya Chernykh response
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Robert Xu <robxu9(a)gmail.com> wrote:
(1) Again, NO html mail.
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 21:46, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
--
Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
Cofundador de Venenux; debian based multimedia alike free only zealots
users (oh well, i try but..too many free guidelines buahhh)
http://shutendouji.net
creador de massenkoh linux; debian enhanchements for better up to date
support on stable brand, including non-free soft.
I disagree with everything he says this guy's
mail.
It is clear that this person keep a different perspective to that of
a linux user wants, (i must cited kde was a desktop in a UNIX-Like
Then what does a linux user want? You are not being specific.
filosophy, everithing its configurable and
integrate-able), as most of
all mortals are windoseros who worry about these problems that this guy
cited, in particular I do not use any tools and formats cited by this
man.
Then why do you disagree with everything?
--
later, Robert Xu + rxu AT lincomlinux DOT org
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New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
the mail cited by tim,
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Katheryne Draven <borgqueen4(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Who is "mail's guy".
I'm so confused I can't see what it is you're disagreeing about.
Kate
On 7/7/11, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
--
Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
Cofundador de Venenux; debian based multimedia alike free only
zealots users (oh well, i try but..too many free guidelines buahhh)
http://shutendouji.net
creador de massenkoh linux; debian enhanchements for better up to date
support on stable brand, including non-free soft.
sorry for html mail , i forget that!
err yes i disagree with the mail's guy,
and also i aggreed with first llya Chernykh response
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Robert Xu <robxu9(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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(1) Again, NO html mail.
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 21:46, PICCORO McKAY Lenz <mckaygerhard(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
--
Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
Cofundador de Venenux; debian based multimedia alike free only zealots
users (oh well, i try but..too many free guidelines buahhh)
http://shutendouji.net
creador de massenkoh linux; debian enhanchements for better up to date
support on stable brand, including non-free soft.
I disagree with everything he says this guy's
mail.
It is clear that this person keep a different perspective to that of
a linux user wants, (i must cited kde was a desktop in a UNIX-Like
Then what does a linux user want? You are not being specific.
filosophy, everithing its configurable and
integrate-able), as most of
all mortals are windoseros who worry about these problems that this guy
cited, in particular I do not use any tools and formats cited by this
man.
Then why do you disagree with everything?
--
later, Robert Xu + rxu AT lincomlinux DOT org
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6:10 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
the mail cited by tim,
While we are on that topic I should mention that I consider many of the
original "suggestions" in the message I forwarded to be nits, if not just
plain ridiculous. I forwarded the message to this list to make sure that
I was not alone, and to see what people's thoughts on the matter were.
To clear up some things:
* koffice cannot be built in pieces, but there is no reason to drop it at
this time. It will stay in the TDE distribution tarball for the
forseeable future, and *may* even pick up some enhancements along the way
if ioslaves from Calligra can be backported to TQt easily enough.
* The extent of the renaming for the 3.5.13 release would be core
libraries and non-user-visible strings. This would be done only to make
downstream packaging easier (i.e. rename libkdecore.so to libtdecore.so,
etc.). User visible strings / application names will probably never
change, except the KDE->TDE string replacement that has already occurred.
Tim
6:28 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
On 7/7/11, Timothy Pearson <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
Thank you!
I was so confused as to what this was all about. No offense to anyone.
I really do understand about language barriers. I speak 4 languages
and since a head injure 15 years ago took down the barriers keeping
these languages in check. I have to work hard to keep from starting a
sentence in English and ending it in Gaelic.
However, none of the affects my ability to understand language so all
of this confused me. I didn't know what was being disagreed about.
I agree, it would be illogical to remove koffice or rename familiar apps.
Kate
the mail cited
by tim,
While we are on that topic I should mention that I consider many of the
original "suggestions" in the message I forwarded to be nits, if not just
plain ridiculous. I forwarded the message to this list to make sure that
I was not alone, and to see what people's thoughts on the matter were.
To clear up some things:
* koffice cannot be built in pieces, but there is no reason to drop it at
this time. It will stay in the TDE distribution tarball for the
forseeable future, and *may* even pick up some enhancements along the way
if ioslaves from Calligra can be backported to TQt easily enough.
* The extent of the renaming for the 3.5.13 release would be core
libraries and non-user-visible strings. This would be done only to make
downstream packaging easier (i.e. rename libkdecore.so to libtdecore.so,
etc.). User visible strings / application names will probably never
change, except the KDE->TDE string replacement that has already occurred.
Tim
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6:43 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
complety aggreee ( in special i like koffice)
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Timothy Pearson
<kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
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http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
Cofundador de Venenux; debian based multimedia alike free only
zealots users (oh well, i try but..too many free guidelines buahhh)
http://shutendouji.net
creador de massenkoh linux; debian enhanchements for better up to date
support on stable brand, including non-free soft.
the mail cited
by tim,
While we are on that topic I should mention that I consider many of the
original "suggestions" in the message I forwarded to be nits, if not just
plain ridiculous. I forwarded the message to this list to make sure that
I was not alone, and to see what people's thoughts on the matter were.
To clear up some things:
* koffice cannot be built in pieces, but there is no reason to drop it at
this time. It will stay in the TDE distribution tarball for the
forseeable future, and *may* even pick up some enhancements along the way
if ioslaves from Calligra can be backported to TQt easily enough.
* The extent of the renaming for the 3.5.13 release would be core
libraries and non-user-visible strings. This would be done only to make
downstream packaging easier (i.e. rename libkdecore.so to libtdecore.so,
etc.). User visible strings / application names will probably never
change, except the KDE->TDE string replacement that has already occurred.
Tim
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8 Jul
9:14 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
On Thursday 07 July 2011 22:10:53 Timothy Pearson wrote:
* The extent of the renaming for the 3.5.13 release
would be core
libraries and non-user-visible strings. This would be done only to make
downstream packaging easier (i.e. rename libkdecore.so to libtdecore.so,
etc.).
Sorry, but what the purpose in renaming the library files?
This will break the binary compatibility and also dependencies on rpm-based systems.
I would like to see Trinity and old KDE3 applications as much compatible as possible
so one can choose either trinity's or kde3's core and have his old apps still
working.
For this reason we have even KDE3 in KDE:KDE3 repository building against a
Trinity-patched
Qt3 so that the both could use the same Qt3 package.
2:32 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
Ilya, the fact is that by causality/coincidence the project trinity
and some rpm windows-like distributions use the same "prefix" (/opt
/opt/kde3 in redhat or suse), and therefore, by any
causality/coincidence have a match/compatibility, but trinity never
was compatible with applications preinstalled or precompiled unless
rebuild against trinity desktop/libs.
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 4:44 AM, Ilya Chernykh <anixxsus(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday 07 July 2011 22:10:53 Timothy Pearson
wrote:
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Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
Cofundador de Venenux; debian based multimedia alike free only
zealots users (oh well, i try but..too many free guidelines buahhh)
http://shutendouji.net
creador de massenkoh linux; debian enhanchements for better up to date
support on stable brand, including non-free soft.
* The extent of the renaming for the 3.5.13
release would be core
libraries and non-user-visible strings. This would be done only to make
downstream packaging easier (i.e. rename libkdecore.so to libtdecore.so,
etc.).
Sorry, but what the purpose in renaming the library files?
This will break the binary compatibility and also dependencies on rpm-based systems.
I would like to see Trinity and old KDE3 applications as much compatible as possible
so one can choose either trinity's or kde3's core and have his old apps still
working.
For this reason we have even KDE3 in KDE:KDE3 repository building against a
Trinity-patched
Qt3 so that the both could use the same Qt3 package.
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6:46 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Ilya Chernykh <anixxsus(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday 06 July 2011 05:00:07 Robert Xu wrote:
You people miss the point: there is no other office suite in the world
which
is so closely integrated with KDE3 as KOffice. For instance, it provides
KParts
which are used in say, Konqueror, that's why you can open a text document
in Konqueror like a web page. You can imbed web pages in your documents
as well.
And who would want that? I certainly wished the default behavior on
Konqueror was to open always in external viewers, which don't suck.
Tiago
There is no such thing in Libre/Open Office. There was a project named
> KOffice: I never piped in on that debate,
but I see no reason to
maintain
> most of KOffice. LibreOffice is more than
acceptable as a replacement.
I do
> think the wiki needs to be updated with
instructions how to build
> LibreOffice to ensure native KDE3/Trinity file picker support (using
the
> --enable-kde build option). I think a
handful of apps from KOffice
should be
> maintained, such as Kivio, Krita, etc. I
don't see a need to maintain
the
main
apps.
When you put it that way... Is it possible to maintain a subset of
KOffice? Like Darell said, only a handful of apps? Or is it all or
nothing? Cuckooo,
but it does not build now
https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=cuckooo&project=home%3A…
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New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
Tiago
We are, actually, agreeing with you. KOffice is staying.
From Tim:
To clear up some things:
* koffice cannot be built in pieces, but there is no reason to drop it at
this time.
Kate
On 7/7/11, Tiago Marques <tiagomnm(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Ilya Chernykh
<anixxsus(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday 06 July 2011 05:00:07 Robert Xu
wrote:
You people miss the point: there is no other office suite in the world
which
is so closely integrated with KDE3 as KOffice. For instance, it provides
KParts
which are used in say, Konqueror, that's why you can open a text document
in Konqueror like a web page. You can imbed web pages in your documents
as well.
And who would want that? I certainly wished the default behavior on
Konqueror was to open always in external viewers, which don't suck.
Tiago
There is no such thing in Libre/Open Office. There was a project named
> KOffice: I never piped in on that debate,
but I see no reason to
maintain
> most of KOffice. LibreOffice is more than
acceptable as a replacement.
I do
> think the wiki needs to be updated with
instructions how to build
> LibreOffice to ensure native KDE3/Trinity file picker support (using
the
> --enable-kde build option). I think a
handful of apps from KOffice
should be
> maintained, such as Kivio, Krita, etc. I
don't see a need to maintain
the
main
apps.
When you put it that way... Is it possible to maintain a subset of
KOffice? Like Darell said, only a handful of apps? Or is it all or
nothing? Cuckooo,
but it does not build now
https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=cuckooo&project=home%3A…
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New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Katheryne Draven <borgqueen4(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Tiago
We are, actually, agreeing with you. KOffice is staying.
I just wanted to chime in that embedded viewers in Konqueror kind of suck,
especially the image viewer :)
I'm all up for integration on a desktop, I just never saw quality in KOffice
to justify using it. If it can be kept around, that is a plus either way.
Let's just hope it doesn't break :)
Best regards,
Tiago
From Tim:
https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=cuckooo&project=home%3A…
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To clear up some things:
* koffice cannot be built in pieces, but there is no reason to drop it at
this time.
Kate
On 7/7/11, Tiago Marques <tiagomnm(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Ilya Chernykh
<anixxsus(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Wednesday 06 July 2011 05:00:07 Robert Xu wrote:
>
> > > KOffice: I never piped in on that debate, but I see no reason to
> maintain
> > > most of KOffice. LibreOffice is more than acceptable as a
replacement.
> I do
> > > think the wiki needs to be updated with instructions how to build
> > > LibreOffice to ensure native KDE3/Trinity file picker support (using
> the
> > > --enable-kde build option). I think a handful of apps from KOffice
> should be
> > > maintained, such as Kivio, Krita, etc. I don't see a need to
maintain
> the
> > > main apps.
> >
> > When you put it that way... Is it possible to maintain a subset of
> > KOffice? Like Darell said, only a handful of apps? Or is it all or
> > nothing?
>
> You people miss the point: there is no other office suite in the world
> which
> is so closely integrated with KDE3 as KOffice. For instance, it provides
> KParts
> which are used in say, Konqueror, that's why you can open a text
document
in
Konqueror like a web page. You can imbed web pages in your documents
as well.
And who would want that? I certainly wished the default behavior on
Konqueror was to open always in external viewers, which don't suck.
Tiago
There is no such thing in Libre/Open Office. There was a project named
> Cuckooo,
> but it does not build now
>
>
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8:22 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
The embedded viewers are dependant on your video setup, remember that.
Also check your settings, if they are off so will the kpart.
I use them all the time and they perform perfectly for me.
9:12 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Katheryne Draven <borgqueen4(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
The embedded viewers are dependant on your video
setup, remember that.
Also check your settings, if they are off so will the kpart.
I use them all the time and they perform perfectly for me.
My video setup? You mean resolution?
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New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
yes resolution and others may influence in behabiour
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Tiago Marques <tiagomnm(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Katheryne Draven
<borgqueen4(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
--
Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
Cofundador de Venenux; debian based multimedia alike free only
zealots users (oh well, i try but..too many free guidelines buahhh)
http://shutendouji.net
creador de massenkoh linux; debian enhanchements for better up to date
support on stable brand, including non-free soft.
The embedded viewers are dependant on your video setup, remember that.
Also check your settings, if they are off so will the kpart.
I use them all the time and they perform perfectly for me.
My video setup? You mean resolution?
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You video res, make sure you are not using generic settings.
Check V & H rates etc. Make sure you are using the recommended res
setting. Its the default optimal one. Remember that the quality of the
image file, determines the quality of the thumbnail to a degree.
Generating thumbnails also takes up a lot of ram, which affect the
quality of the TN generated as well. Open kcontrol and check into all
your video related settings.
Enable anti-aliasing if you have the video ram. Some embedded viewers
perform better with some combinations, so experiment.
Good luck
Kate
9:30 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
well no so V & HY refresh this are absurd, V & H its only to monitor
related, u must see that LCD & LED only used specific 60 to 70 Hz ,
even CRT that can offers up to 100
its more specific to resolution,
an so in koffice & OOo/LibreOo the Cuckooo hook for kde builds, the
problems its that used too many old software, in sarge build with a
lot of hacked&mix packages
https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=cuckooo&project=home:An…
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Katheryne Draven <borgqueen4(a)gmail.com> wrote:
You video res, make sure you are not using generic
settings.
Check V & H rates etc. Make sure you are using the recommended res
setting. Its the default optimal one. Remember that the quality of the
image file, determines the quality of the thumbnail to a degree.
Generating thumbnails also takes up a lot of ram, which affect the
quality of the TN generated as well. Open kcontrol and check into all
your video related settings.
Enable anti-aliasing if you have the video ram. Some embedded viewers
perform better with some combinations, so experiment.
Good luck
Kate
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--
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http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
Cofundador de Venenux; debian based multimedia alike free only
zealots users (oh well, i try but..too many free guidelines buahhh)
http://shutendouji.net
creador de massenkoh linux; debian enhanchements for better up to date
support on stable brand, including non-free soft.
8 Jul
8 Jul
2:18 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Katheryne Draven <borgqueen4(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
You video res, make sure you are not using generic
settings.
Check V & H rates etc. Make sure you are using the recommended res
setting. Its the default optimal one. Remember that the quality of the
image file, determines the quality of the thumbnail to a degree.
Generating thumbnails also takes up a lot of ram, which affect the
quality of the TN generated as well. Open kcontrol and check into all
your video related settings.
Enable anti-aliasing if you have the video ram. Some embedded viewers
perform better with some combinations, so experiment.
I have everything properly setup and though resolution helps the embedded
image viewer, the problem is that if you try to check a 5MP image in the
embedded viewer you'll be doing a lot of scrolling whereas with Kuickshow or
Gwenview things are much more practical. This is after tweaking konqueror to
produce thumbnails of images with more than 2MB, of course, otherwise
searching for a picture with just konqueror is a nightmare I don't wish upon
anyone. It's probably one of it's few defects.
Best regards,
Tiago
Good luck
Kate
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New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
Oh, right. I use the gwenview kpart as an embedded image viewer. I love the
feature of embedded viewing, but I accept that some of the embedded viewers
may be substandard.
On 8 July 2011 14:18, Tiago Marques <tiagomnm(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Katheryne Draven
<borgqueen4(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
You video res, make sure you are not using
generic settings.
Check V & H rates etc. Make sure you are using the recommended res
setting. Its the default optimal one. Remember that the quality of the
image file, determines the quality of the thumbnail to a degree.
Generating thumbnails also takes up a lot of ram, which affect the
quality of the TN generated as well. Open kcontrol and check into all
your video related settings.
Enable anti-aliasing if you have the video ram. Some embedded viewers
perform better with some combinations, so experiment.
I have everything properly setup and though resolution helps the embedded
image viewer, the problem is that if you try to check a 5MP image in the
embedded viewer you'll be doing a lot of scrolling whereas with Kuickshow or
Gwenview things are much more practical. This is after tweaking konqueror to
produce thumbnails of images with more than 2MB, of course, otherwise
searching for a picture with just konqueror is a nightmare I don't wish upon
anyone. It's probably one of it's few defects.
Best regards,
Tiago
Good luck
Kate
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On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Lukas Korsika <quazamagoogl(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Oh, right. I use the gwenview kpart as an embedded
image viewer. I love the
feature of embedded viewing, but I accept that some of the embedded viewers
may be substandard.
Didn't know you could do that, always learning! :)
On 8 July 2011 14:18, Tiago Marques
<tiagomnm(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Katheryne Draven
<borgqueen4(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
You video res, make sure you are not using
generic settings.
Check V & H rates etc. Make sure you are using the recommended res
setting. Its the default optimal one. Remember that the quality of the
image file, determines the quality of the thumbnail to a degree.
Generating thumbnails also takes up a lot of ram, which affect the
quality of the TN generated as well. Open kcontrol and check into all
your video related settings.
Enable anti-aliasing if you have the video ram. Some embedded viewers
perform better with some combinations, so experiment.
I have everything properly setup and though resolution helps the embedded
image viewer, the problem is that if you try to check a 5MP image in the
embedded viewer you'll be doing a lot of scrolling whereas with Kuickshow or
Gwenview things are much more practical. This is after tweaking konqueror to
produce thumbnails of images with more than 2MB, of course, otherwise
searching for a picture with just konqueror is a nightmare I don't wish upon
anyone. It's probably one of it's few defects.
Best regards,
Tiago
Good luck
Kate
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New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
I dunno. Gentoo always sets it up that way for me when I install gwenview.
It lets you fit-to-window the image, and it has next/previous image buttons
if it's in a directory you can list. (If it's over http, etc it doesn't show
them). Honestly, kio and kparts-embedding are my favourite features of
Trinity.
7 Jul
7 Jul
9:13 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
I for one love the embedded viewers.
6 Jul
6 Jul
2:52 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A users perspective on Trinity
On Jul 5, 2011 8:51 PM, "Darrell Anderson" <humanreadable(a)yahoo.com>
wrote:
Darrell,
Well said.
Rebranding: To what extent? I don't think renaming all files is necessary.
I
think most of the branding issues are resolved. If the user is addressing
app names, I am content with the old "K" naming scheme. I also like the idea
that with the "K" naming convention people can see and remember the KDE3
roots, which I think is a selling point.
KOffice: I never piped in on that debate, but I see no reason to maintain
most of
KOffice. LibreOffice is more than acceptable as a replacement. I do
think the wiki needs to be updated with instructions how to build
LibreOffice to ensure native KDE3/Trinity file picker support (using the
--enable-kde build option). I think a handful of apps from KOffice should be
maintained, such as Kivio, Krita, etc. I don't see a need to maintain the
main apps.
Digikam: Are all the new features provided in the QT4 version necessary? I
am no
camera junkie, but I depend upon Digikam in KDE3 to interface with my
digital camera. I'd hate to see that app disappear in Trinity. I'm happy
with the older version of Digikam. The appeal of Trinity is that of being
light weight compared to KDE4 and GNOME 3. I see no reason not to maintain
light weight versions of various apps.
Browser: I don't see a viable solution to providing a built-in web browser
for
Trinity. Konqueror in KDE3 never was as extensible or usable as Firefox.
That is not going to change soon in KDE4. I think web browsers should not be
a concern or component of Trinity. I still think Konqueror in KDE3/Trinity
is the best file manager available. I hope that does not change.
Light weight desktop: I don't use KDE 4 enough to add to the perception of
being bloated. I agree that KDE4 from upstream is configured for bleeding
edge hardware with all the various desktop effects enabled by default.
Likewise with GNOME 3, which works only on hardware with 3D video
accelerators. I have noticed that since the advent of GNOME 3 and Unity,
many people are now offering "light weight" distros. The new Porteus
portable system, a successor replacement for Slax, uses Trinity 3.5.12.
Other distros are now offering Xfce and LXDE as choices over KDE4 and GNOME
3. Many people are unhappy with the direction of KDE4, GNOME 3, Unity. I
foresee no reconciliation because the people controlling those environments
are on a different plane of existence than people who want light weight but
flexible desktops.
In other words, there is a healthy market for Trinity. Stay focused on the
desktop
and existing apps in the source tree.
Will users compare Trinity to KDE4? I think that is inevitable and
unavoidable.
Reviewers are likely to notice what "features" are available in
KDE4 and unavailable in Trinity. With that said, the same can be done with
comparing Xfce and LXDE to KDE4. There is a significant difference and
always will be --- and should be. Any reviewer who argues otherwise is
missing the point.
I vote for not worrying about trying to maintain Trinity as feature rich
as KDE4 or
backporting features. There is too much a price to pay. The user
who is attracted to Xfce, LXDE, and Trinity are not looking for every single
feature imaginable. They want a flexible but stable desktop. They want a
sense of continuity and cohesiveness with apps. Trinity provides that.
The competition for Trinity is Xfce and LXDE, not KDE4.
Complete the cmake conversion. Resolve a few dozen critical and paper cut
bugs.
Update the wiki and web sites to emphasize the light weight appeal. I
expect to read many positive reviews when Trinity 3.5.13 is announced.
Darrell
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Calvin Morrison wrote:
On Jul 5, 2011 8:51 PM, "Darrell Anderson" <humanreadable(a)yahoo.com
<mailto:humanreadable@yahoo.com>> wrote:
Darrell,
Well said.
I fully agree with you Darrell there is no need to try and replicate kde
4 in doing so you would just be heading in the same direction as them
trinity should be finding its own path those who want all the kde4
features are still free to chose kde4 there is no need to turn trinity
into another kde4 and doing so would be a mistake in my opinion.
Rebranding: To what extent? I don't think renaming all files is
necessary. I
think most of the branding issues are resolved. If the
user is addressing app names, I am content with the old "K" naming
scheme. I also like the idea that with the "K" naming convention
people can see and remember the KDE3 roots, which I think is a selling
point.
KOffice: I never piped in on that debate, but I see no reason to
maintain most of
KOffice. LibreOffice is more than acceptable as a
replacement. I do think the wiki needs to be updated with instructions
how to build LibreOffice to ensure native KDE3/Trinity file picker
support (using the --enable-kde build option). I think a handful of
apps from KOffice should be maintained, such as Kivio, Krita, etc. I
don't see a need to maintain the main apps.
Digikam: Are all the new features provided in the QT4 version
necessary? I am no
camera junkie, but I depend upon Digikam in KDE3 to
interface with my digital camera. I'd hate to see that app disappear
in Trinity. I'm happy with the older version of Digikam. The appeal of
Trinity is that of being light weight compared to KDE4 and GNOME 3. I
see no reason not to maintain light weight versions of various apps.
Browser: I don't see a viable solution to providing a built-in web
browser
for Trinity. Konqueror in KDE3 never was as extensible or
usable as Firefox. That is not going to change soon in KDE4. I think
web browsers should not be a concern or component of Trinity. I still
think Konqueror in KDE3/Trinity is the best file manager available. I
hope that does not change.
Light weight desktop: I don't use KDE 4 enough to add to the
perception of
being bloated. I agree that KDE4 from upstream is
configured for bleeding edge hardware with all the various desktop
effects enabled by default. Likewise with GNOME 3, which works only on
hardware with 3D video accelerators. I have noticed that since the
advent of GNOME 3 and Unity, many people are now offering "light
weight" distros. The new Porteus portable system, a successor
replacement for Slax, uses Trinity 3.5.12. Other distros are now
offering Xfce and LXDE as choices over KDE4 and GNOME 3. Many people
are unhappy with the direction of KDE4, GNOME 3, Unity. I foresee no
reconciliation because the people controlling those environments are
on a different plane of existence than people who want light weight
but flexible desktops.
In other words, there is a healthy market for Trinity. Stay focused
on the
desktop and existing apps in the source tree.
Will users compare Trinity to KDE4? I think that is inevitable and
unavoidable.
Reviewers are likely to notice what "features" are
available in KDE4 and unavailable in Trinity. With that said, the same
can be done with comparing Xfce and LXDE to KDE4. There is a
significant difference and always will be --- and should be. Any
reviewer who argues otherwise is missing the point.
I vote for not worrying about trying to maintain Trinity as feature
rich as KDE4
or backporting features. There is too much a price to
pay. The user who is attracted to Xfce, LXDE, and Trinity are not
looking for every single feature imaginable. They want a flexible but
stable desktop. They want a sense of continuity and cohesiveness with
apps. Trinity provides that.
The competition for Trinity is Xfce and LXDE, not KDE4.
Complete the cmake conversion. Resolve a few dozen critical and
paper cut bugs.
Update the wiki and web sites to emphasize the light
weight appeal. I expect to read many positive reviews when Trinity
3.5.13 is announced.
Darrell
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