Hi, On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 22:27 (+0100), deloptes via tde-devels wrote: I thought about that, and decided that this list seemed more appropriate. While there might be a "user" who knows the answer, it seems to me that being able to answer these questions requires knowledge about how TDE works at some internal level, rather than "how do I make it work". A "user" who is also a TDE "guru" or "wizard" would probably know, but, then again, they might then be on this list (as I am) for general interest. Cheers. Jim -- Dr. Jim Diamond "Convenio ergo sum" | /"\ Jodrey School of Computer Science | ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ / Acadia University, Wolfville NS Canada B4P 2R6 | http://arc.pasp.de/ x Voice: (902) 585-1402 Fax: (902) 585-1067 | / \

On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 16:49:00 Jim via tde-devels wrote: Are you running a full TDE session or just a single application? Cheers -- Slávek

Jim via tde-devels wrote: Thank you please answer Slaveks question how you exactly run TDE. usually I log in via the TDM (login manager) it then takes care to set all the pieces needed to run TDE properly. If you did so - what is the status of your user profile - any old stuff or whatever - perhaps try with a fresh user >> tdebase-trinity usually pulls the whole set of packages needed to run >> TDE. > Well, maybe it should, but I guess it depends on what one exactly > means "to run TDE". exactly this is what we are trying to find out - because TDE is the desktop it covers all the pieces. However you are talking about korganiser (the calendar piece as part of the tdepim) > Sorry it wasn't clear above... when I try to configure korganizer's date > and time (i.e., the way it presents the date and time, I am not trying > to change the system time), using the korganizer menu item > "Settings/Configure Date & Time ..." I get that message. This actually invokes the part for the locale settings (I think it is part of the tdebase and you have already installed it) >> what source did you use - what is mentioned in the article? > Yes, I used exactly the lines in the article, except I put "buster" in > for "<your-distribution>". I commented out the deb-src lines, since I > was not planning to d/l any source at this point. >> tdebase-trinity usually installs what is needed - in this case did you >> install also locale packages as noted in the article? > I did not. My native language is English, and I am OK with the > default locale. (If there was a Canadian English locale I might have > installed it, but I don't see any locale in the listing whose name > suggests that to me.) this is good so - it was just a fact check question > ADDITIONAL INFORMATION which may or may not help: > When I start up kcontrol, the pane on the left which should have all > sort of things (in an older version of TFE on another computer I have > "Appearance & Themes", "Desktop", "Internet & Network", and so on) > is empty. So, again, it can't find whatever it is looking for. > According to the output of an incantation I found on line, there are > 1037 packages with "trinity" in the name which I have not (yet) installed. > I guess I could just bite the bullet and start randomly installing > things, but if anyone can share some wisdom, it would be most appreciated. dpkg -l | grep trinity dpkg -l | grep trinity | wc -l what packages and how many do you have? are they fully installed (line starts with ii) if packages are not fully installed or missing - this could explain the issue. I installed yesterday the RPi4 by installing tdebase-trinity & co - about 50 or 100 packages. Then I installed tdepim and some other that pulled many dependencies - about 700+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-devel-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-devel-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting

Answers to the most recent emails of both deloptes and Slávek, in that order: On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 18:56 (+0100), deloptes via tde-devels wrote: I reconfigured my system to use TDM. If I used that *and* chose the TDE session, kcontrol now has a populated left pane. Running TDM and choosing another session type (e.g., lxde) did not do the trick. So I speculate my original question is answered, in that apparently I don't need additional packages. Instead, I pose a new question: why does kcontrol work on my other system (described in my next comment below) and not on raspian? Yes, I am mainly interested in korganizer. On my current system (Slackware64 14-2, running xdm and fvwm2, using the Slackbuilds on github to compile R14.0.5), kcontrol has a properly-populated left pane, even though I am not using tdm and I am not logging in to a TDE session. For completeness: As mentioned previously, I am OK with just the default locale. ii kamera-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf digital camera io_slave for Konqueror ii kappfinder-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf non-TDE application finder for TDE ii kate-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf advanced text editor for TDE ii kcontrol-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf control center for TDE ii kcron-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf the Trinity crontab editor ii kdat-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf a Trinity tape backup tool ii kdeadmin-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all Transitional dummy package. This can be safely removed after your TDE upgrade has completed. ii kdesktop-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf miscellaneous binaries and files for the Trinity desktop ii kfind-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf file-find utility for TDE ii kghostview-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf PostScript viewer for Trinity ii khelpcenter-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf help center for TDE ii kicker-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf desktop panel for TDE ii klipper-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf clipboard utility for Trinity ii kmenuedit-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf menu editor for TDE ii knetworkconf-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity network configuration tool ii konqueror-nsplugins-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Netscape plugin support for Konqueror ii konqueror-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf TDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer ii konsole-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf X terminal emulator for TDE ii korganizer-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity personal organizer ii kpackage-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity package management tool ii kpager-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf desktop pager for TDE ii kpersonalizer-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf installation personalizer for TDE ii kregexpeditor-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf graphical regular expression editor plugin for Trinity ii ksmserver-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf session manager for TDE ii ksnapshot-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf screenshot utility for Trinity ii ksplash-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf the TDE splash screen ii ksysguard-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf system guard for TDE ii ksysguardd-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf system guard daemon for TDE ii ksysv-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity SysV-style init configuration editor ii ktip-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf useful tips for TDE ii kuser-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity user/group administration tool ii libarts1c2a-trinity:armhf 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf aRts sound system core components ii libartsc0-trinity:armhf 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf aRts sound system C support library ii libkcddb1-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf CDDB library for Trinity ii libkleopatra1-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf TDE GnuPG interface libraries ii libkmime2-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity MIME interface library ii libkonq4-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf core libraries for Konqueror ii libkpimexchange1-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity PIM Exchange library ii libkpimidentities1-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity PIM user identity information library ii libktnef1-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Library for handling KTNEF email attachments ii libtdepim1a-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity PIM library ii libtqt3-integration-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Integration library between TQt3 and TDE ii tde-systemsettings-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf easy to use control centre for TDE ii tdeadmin-tdefile-plugins-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity file metainfo plugins for deb and rpm files ii tdeadmin-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all system administration tools from the official Trinity release ii tdebase-data-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all shared data files for the TDE base module ii tdebase-runtime-data-common-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all Shared common files for Trinity and KDE4 ii tdebase-tdeio-plugins-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf core I/O slaves for TDE ii tdebase-tdeio-smb-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf SMB I/O slave for TDE ii tdebase-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all base components from the official TDE release ii tdebase-trinity-bin 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf core binaries for the TDE base module ii tdelibs-data-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all core shared data for all TDE applications ii tdelibs14-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf core libraries and binaries for all TDE applications ii tdemultimedia-tdeio-plugins-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf enables the browsing of audio CDs under Konqueror ii tdepasswd-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf password changer for TDE ii tdeprint-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf print system for TDE ii tdm-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf X display manager for TDE ii trinity-keyring 4:14.0.10~pre0-0debian7.0.0+1 all GnuPG keys of the Trinity Desktop Environment repository ii twin-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf the TDE window manager 59 As above. So dpkg claims. I did not install tdepim because I just wanted korganizer. On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 19:00 (+0100), Slávek Banko via tde-devels wrote: OK, thanks for that information. Yes, as described above, if by "full session" we mean do both -> use tdm display manager and -> start TDE session then it works. Given my "essentially nil" understanding of the code base, I don't know if I can be much help tracking this down, but if you want me to give something a try, just let me know. Cheers. Jim

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 16:17 (-0500), E. Liddell wrote: <snip> Given that it works when I run from a "full TDE session", I am running these commands from my trusty fvwm2 session, as started by xdm. [tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running... [2021/01/14 17:31:29.641] [tdebuildsycoca] Reusing existing tdesycoca. [2021/01/14 17:31:29.860] [tdebuildsycoca] ERROR: tde-applications.menu not found in (/home/zsd/.rpi4-4-files/config/menus/,/etc/xdg/menus/) [2021/01/14 17:31:29.956] [dcopserver] DCOP Cleaning up dead connections. [2021/01/14 17:31:30.306] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/ I quit kcontrol and then a minute (or so) later ran it again. This time I got [tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running... [2021/01/14 17:33:22.228] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/ Twenty minutes later I ran it once more: [tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running... [2021/01/14 17:53:32.414] [dcopserver] DCOP Cleaning up dead connections. [2021/01/14 17:53:33.073] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/ How exactly did you su to root? If I just "su", /opt/trinity/bin is in my PATH, whereas if I "sudo su" it is not. For the root output below, I just did "su". And to start with a clean config, I did the rm shown below root@rpi4-4:/scratch/tmp# rm -rf ~/.cache ~/.ICEauthority ~/.config /tmp/tde*root /tmp/.ICE-unix/ root@rpi4-4:/scratch/tmp# kcontrol /usr/bin/iceauth: creating new authority file /root/.ICEauthority [tdebuildsycoca] tdebuildsycoca running... [2021/01/14 19:31:17.736] [kcontrol] WARNING: No TDE menu group with X-TDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/ And no info in the left pane. As an added bonus, here are the (apparently) relevant processes: root 10818 1.0 0.6 49132 26780 pts/1 S 19:31 0:00 kcontrol root 10823 0.0 0.2 36836 10824 ? Ss 19:31 0:00 [tdeinit] tdeinit Running... root 10828 0.0 0.2 36600 8832 ? S 19:31 0:00 dcopserver [tdeinit] --nosid --suicide root 10831 0.0 0.3 37900 14684 ? S 19:31 0:00 tdelauncher [tdeinit] --new-startup root 10833 0.0 0.4 38308 16076 ? S 19:31 0:00 kded [tdeinit] --new-startup root 10908 0.0 0.3 37340 11872 ? S 19:31 0:00 tdeio_file [tdeinit] file /tmp/tdesocket-root/ root 10909 0.0 0.3 37340 11872 ? S 19:31 0:00 tdeio_file [tdeinit] file /tmp/tdesocket-root/ root 10910 0.0 0.3 37340 11872 ? S 19:31 0:00 tdeio_file [tdeinit] file /tmp/tdesocket-root/ root 10911 0.0 0.3 37340 11872 ? S 19:31 0:00 tdeio_file [tdeinit] file /tmp/tdesocket-root/ If that information is not what you are looking for, let me know. Jim

On 2021-01-14 17:34:03 Jim via tde-devels wrote: You probably want to use su -, not just su. From info su: | -, -l, --login | Start the shell as a login shell with an environment similar to a real login: | o clears all the environment variables except TERM and variables specified by --whitelist-environment | o initializes the environment variables HOME, SHELL, USER, LOGNAME, and PATH | o changes to the target user's home directory | o sets argv[0] of the shell to '-' in order to make the shell a login shell Without the login option, you're still pointing to your own home directory and various environment variables, but running with root privileges. Leslie Leslie --