Excuse me! I didn't mean to trip the mine of Stallman's dogma. I was merely pointing out (in favor of TDE, which saved my project from 10 years of work down the drain) that when a midstream OS team arbritrarily forks a fully functioning system for some new cosmetic reason (e.g. "plasma") without offering an alternative, it disrupts a whole host of further downstream work that these OS folks seem not to have a clue about. I happen to head one of those kinds of projects, which is about 10 floors above the desktop mezzanine and the kernel basement. Just finding a stable architecture upon which to build my penthouse has been almost impossible. KDE4 was like 9/11 to me. We have over 200 balkanized strains of Linux superstructure now. I'm simply seeking a way out of the chaos. M$ is like another planet. It doesn't bear mentioning. I would just like to see TDE-Ubuntu, TDE-Debian, TDE-CentOS, TDE-Suse, and maybe a couple of others carry on the KDE3 tradition. 200 strains is anarchy, Diversity can be a killer of forward progress.