вс, 17 авг. 2025 г., 13:41 deloptes via tde-users <users@trinitydesktop.org>:
Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:

> I own both and I can tell you you can't compare.
>
> The Fairphone works (with Android).
> The Pinephone does not "work", it's a toy. Does not keep a charge, no OS
> works correctly, many can't even... phone.

Trying to be .. fairer to pinephone it looks like *modem itself* running sort of OS! 

https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/PineModems

So, phone (cellular) hardware is patented, heavily restricted in other regulatory ways, and just plain complex (I am mot sure if there even full server-side 3G stack - research seemed to jump from 2g to 4g ... probably due to complexity in implementation we users never see ...)

And sadly bluetooth/wifi hardware and algos in similar situation, and even raw camera (not premade module talking via usb as usb video class device) and video de/encoding on hw can be challenging topics in themselves ...

So, "software is simpler", but only if you have enough engineers to throw at challenges ....


The Pinephone seems mostly to
> want to be a hardware that let people develop an OS, but that OS - at
> least the last time I tried - is not yet even at beta level.

And the main issue is the eco system. Without eco system you do not have a
market and without a market you are predestined to tail.
Who is responsible for this .... well not only the government or the company
that bribes through lobbying - a big responsibility lays on the developers
and consumers too, but we can not blame the consumers that much. A consumer
wants things that work and the linux developers communities in the past
years are not quite able to deliver on this expectations for various
reasons, so at the end I am also planning to move to Fairphone at the end.

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