19 Aug
2020
19 Aug
'20
12:09 p.m.
Hi there.
Rather than file a bug which might not get noticed immediately I thought
I would post here, sorry if that's not the right thing to do, but I
thought it a good idea to start a thread to keep track of the issues.
I'm running preliminary stable builds on bullseye/sid.
The theme defaults to something from the Windows 95 time frame.
I set it back to keramik, everything's back to how I want it.
Manually save session, restart X and it's back to Windows 95.
Konqueror has a background noise image in the detailed list view I don't
remember it having before, plus the icons in the detailed list view are
larger those in the tree view.
The science screen saver, when activated hides all windows, shows the
desktop background, and does nothing.
At least the session manager doesn't crash when shutting down, which is
a plus.
Regards,
Philip Ashmore
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12:28 p.m.
Can you post a screenshot?
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 19 Aug 13:09:27 +0100
Philip Ashmore scripsit:
Hi there.
Rather than file a bug which might not get noticed immediately I thought
I would post here, sorry if that's not the right thing to do, but I
thought it a good idea to start a thread to keep track of the issues.
I'm running preliminary stable builds on bullseye/sid.
The theme defaults to something from the Windows 95 time frame.
I set it back to keramik, everything's back to how I want it.
Manually save session, restart X and it's back to Windows 95.
Konqueror has a background noise image in the detailed list view I don't
remember it having before, plus the icons in the detailed list view are
larger those in the tree view.
The science screen saver, when activated hides all windows, shows the
desktop background, and does nothing.
At least the session manager doesn't crash when shutting down, which is
a plus.
Regards,
Philip Ashmore
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On 19/08/2020 13:28, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
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Can you post a screenshot?
<snip>
I captured after-trinity-control-centre.png, and manually saved the session.
I did a ctrl-alt-backspace and logged in to restart the desktop, then
took after-restart-X.png .
Regards,
Philip Ashmore
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1:13 p.m.
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 19 Aug 14:06:20 +0100
Philip Ashmore scripsit:
On 19/08/2020 13:28, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hm .. would you mind starting with a clean TDE config? i.e. log out of TDE, go to a
console, do "mv ~/.trinity ~/_trinity_old" and try again?
Nik
Can you post a screenshot?
<snip>
I captured after-trinity-control-centre.png, and manually saved the session.
I did a ctrl-alt-backspace and logged in to restart the desktop, then
took after-restart-X.png .
Regards,
Philip Ashmore
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5:22 p.m.
On 19/08/2020 14:13, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 19 Aug 14:06:20 +0100
Philip Ashmore scripsit:
See attached.
Philip
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On 19/08/2020 13:28, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hm .. would you mind starting with a clean TDE config? i.e. log out of TDE, go to a
console, do "mv ~/.trinity ~/_trinity_old" and try again?
Nik
Can you post a screenshot?
<snip>
I captured after-trinity-control-centre.png, and manually saved the session.
I did a ctrl-alt-backspace and logged in to restart the desktop, then
took after-restart-X.png . 
5:31 p.m.
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 19 Aug 18:22:07 +0100
Philip Ashmore scripsit:
On 19/08/2020 14:13, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Does not very "Plastic" to me :/
Ok, whatr system are you on? HDD working correct?
Nik
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Anno domini 2020 Wed, 19 Aug 14:06:20 +0100
Philip Ashmore scripsit:
See attached.
Philip
On 19/08/2020 13:28, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hm .. would you mind starting with a clean TDE config? i.e. log out of TDE, go to a
console, do "mv ~/.trinity ~/_trinity_old" and try again?
Nik
Can you post a screenshot?
<snip>
I captured after-trinity-control-centre.png, and manually saved the session.
I did a ctrl-alt-backspace and logged in to restart the desktop, then
took after-restart-X.png .
20 Aug
20 Aug
2:26 p.m.
On 19/08/2020 18:31, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 19 Aug 18:22:07 +0100
Philip Ashmore scripsit:
I just ran an "apt update ; synaptic" to upgrade my system.
Plenty of trinity packages upgraded.
Now panel transparency has stopped working.
# debsums --all -c
/etc/apparmor.d/tunables/home
/lib/systemd/system/bluetooth.service
/etc/protocols
/etc/services
/etc/sudoers
/etc/trinity/tdm/tdmrc
Is there a way to diff these files against their package versions?
Maybe it's a hardware issue? Nearly 3 year old MSI laptop.
Whatcha doin' Slávek?
Regards,
Philip Ashmore
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On 19/08/2020 14:13, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Does not very "Plastic" to me :/
Ok, whatr system are you on? HDD working correct?
Nik Anno domini 2020 Wed, 19 Aug 14:06:20 +0100
Philip Ashmore scripsit:
See attached.
Philip
On 19/08/2020 13:28, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> Can you post a screenshot?
<snip>
I captured after-trinity-control-centre.png, and manually saved the session.
I did a ctrl-alt-backspace and logged in to restart the desktop, then
took after-restart-X.png .
Hm .. would you mind starting with a clean TDE config? i.e. log out of TDE, go to a
console, do "mv ~/.trinity ~/_trinity_old" and try again?
Nik
3:35 p.m.
Dne čt 20. srpna 2020 Philip Ashmore napsal(a):
On 19/08/2020 18:31, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi,
you can see a list of changes that are currently in R14.0.9~pre (changelog
is updated once a week):
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Changelog_For_R14.0.9
I also use PSB regularly every day - the only difference is that in my case
I have (much) older Debian. However, even on a newer test machine with
Buster, I was not able to reproduce such problems.
Please in ~/.xsession-errors do you see any information that could guide
the analysis of the problem? Please, is there anyone else watching such
problems on Bullseye? Does anyone observe similar problems on other
distributions - Buster, Stretch, any Ubuntu?
Cheers
--
Slávek
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 19 Aug 18:22:07 +0100
Philip Ashmore scripsit:
I just ran an "apt update ; synaptic" to upgrade my system.
Plenty of trinity packages upgraded.
Now panel transparency has stopped working.
# debsums --all -c
/etc/apparmor.d/tunables/home
/lib/systemd/system/bluetooth.service
/etc/protocols
/etc/services
/etc/sudoers
/etc/trinity/tdm/tdmrc
Is there a way to diff these files against their package versions?
Maybe it's a hardware issue? Nearly 3 year old MSI laptop.
Whatcha doin' Slávek?
Regards,
Philip Ashmore
On 19/08/2020 14:13, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Does not very "Plastic" to me :/
Ok, whatr system are you on? HDD working correct?
Nik Anno domini 2020 Wed, 19 Aug 14:06:20 +0100
Philip Ashmore scripsit:
> On 19/08/2020 13:28, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
>> Can you post a screenshot?
>
> <snip>
>
> I captured after-trinity-control-centre.png, and manually saved the
> session. I did a ctrl-alt-backspace and logged in to restart the
> desktop, then took after-restart-X.png .
Hm .. would you mind starting with a clean TDE config? i.e. log out
of TDE, go to a console, do "mv ~/.trinity ~/_trinity_old" and try
again?
Nik
See attached.
Philip 
14 Nov
14 Nov
2:21 p.m.
New subject: Desktop theme regression in preliminary stable builds?
On 20/08/2020 16:35, Slávek Banko wrote:
Dne čt 20. srpna 2020 Philip Ashmore napsal(a):
I happened to run konqueror as root. It looks fine.
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On 19/08/2020 18:31, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi,
you can see a list of changes that are currently in R14.0.9~pre (changelog
is updated once a week):
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Changelog_For_R14.0.9
I also use PSB regularly every day - the only difference is that in my case
I have (much) older Debian. However, even on a newer test machine with
Buster, I was not able to reproduce such problems.
Please in ~/.xsession-errors do you see any information that could guide
the analysis of the problem? Please, is there anyone else watching such
problems on Bullseye? Does anyone observe similar problems on other
distributions - Buster, Stretch, any Ubuntu?
Cheers
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 19 Aug 18:22:07 +0100
Philip Ashmore scripsit:
I just ran an "apt update ; synaptic" to upgrade my system.
Plenty of trinity packages upgraded.
Now panel transparency has stopped working.
# debsums --all -c
/etc/apparmor.d/tunables/home
/lib/systemd/system/bluetooth.service
/etc/protocols
/etc/services
/etc/sudoers
/etc/trinity/tdm/tdmrc
Is there a way to diff these files against their package versions?
Maybe it's a hardware issue? Nearly 3 year old MSI laptop.
Whatcha doin' Slávek?
Regards,
Philip Ashmore
On 19/08/2020 14:13, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> Anno domini 2020 Wed, 19 Aug 14:06:20 +0100
>
> Philip Ashmore scripsit:
>> On 19/08/2020 13:28, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
>>> Can you post a screenshot?
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> I captured after-trinity-control-centre.png, and manually saved the
>> session. I did a ctrl-alt-backspace and logged in to restart the
>> desktop, then took after-restart-X.png .
>
> Hm .. would you mind starting with a clean TDE config? i.e. log out
> of TDE, go to a console, do "mv ~/.trinity ~/_trinity_old" and try
> again?
>
> Nik
See attached.
Philip
Does not very "Plastic" to me :/
Ok, whatr system are you on? HDD working correct?
Nik
19 Aug
19 Aug
1:14 p.m.
On 19/08/2020 14:06, Philip Ashmore wrote:
On 19/08/2020 13:28, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Interestingly, selecting Platinum in the Theme Manager sets the theme to
some Plastik/Windows95 hybrid, notice the double scroll buttons in
Konqueror.
Can you post a screenshot?
<snip>
I captured after-trinity-control-centre.png, and manually saved the
session.
I did a ctrl-alt-backspace and logged in to restart the desktop, then
took after-restart-X.png .
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20 Aug
20 Aug
4:34 p.m.
Dne st 19. srpna 2020 Philip Ashmore napsal(a):
On 19/08/2020 14:06, Philip Ashmore wrote:
By the way, I looked at a preview of Platinum style on TDE 3.5.13.x and the
gui elements look very much the same as in your picture - including scroll
buttons for sliders.
Cheers
--
Slávek
On 19/08/2020 13:28, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Interestingly, selecting Platinum in the Theme Manager sets the theme to
some Plastik/Windows95 hybrid, notice the double scroll buttons in
Konqueror.
Can you post a screenshot?
<snip>
I captured after-trinity-control-centre.png, and manually saved the
session.
I did a ctrl-alt-backspace and logged in to restart the desktop, then
took after-restart-X.png . 
4 Dec
4 Dec
2:34 p.m.
New subject: Desktop theme regression in preliminary stable builds?
On 20/08/2020 17:34, Slávek Banko wrote:
<snip>
By the way, I looked at a preview of Platinum style on
TDE 3.5.13.x and the
gui elements look very much the same as in your picture - including scroll
buttons for sliders.
Cheers
Yes, but the Control Panel said Plastik.
I can only guess that there's a number-based scheme under the hood and
that updating Trinity while it was running got the numbering in a tizzy
between config files or something.
Even copying the input actions config file didn't result in the keyboard
shortcuts working - I had to re-create them.
Now volume control shortcuts work but the only way to change backlight is
# echo 1500 > /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness
So I bit the bullet and installed Debian/Trinity on a new Wd Blue 1 TB SSD.
I did a fresh install of Debian Bullseye, removed Wayland and re-created
my setup instead of blindly copying my existing settings.
Plastik is Plastik again.
Hell it might even work with Buster but I couldn't get to the desktop
for some reason.
Even yesterday Trinity worked with wayland although text overlays on
Google chrome/YouTube caused horrific screen tearing.
Today tdm-trinity.service failed to start - something about start
commands being too close together.
In bullseye at least gdm3 pulls in Wayland so yoink wayland, gdm3.
That seems to have fixed getting to the desktop and screen tearing.
Regards,
Philip Ashmore
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