On Tuesday 02 April 2019 15:18:44 Thierry de Coulon wrote: yes, from wheezy on sda, to stretch on sdb I assume this is as root while on stretch? ATM, it goes straight to a gnome login asking me for my user pw. I didn't note if there was a session clicker or not. My mistake I expect. While I've been waiting, I've copied most of my wheezy homedir to the stretch homedir, so I should have all my Mail and such once I can run kmail. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

On Tuesday 02 April 2019 13:19:12 deloptes wrote: When you were installing, did you click to allow root login? or is there some other program where you allow it, e.g.: TCC / System Administration / Login Manager / Convenience (You must open as root to make these changes.) Also, if you are in Debian, you can open a root shell and accomplish this by changing users and groups, etc. (By the way, since you were having problems with menus earlier, which seemed password-related, maybe this is more of the same, and points to a similar cause for both. Could be this was on a different system?) Also I seem to recall some gui thingie which can do it. On Debian systems, I allow shadow passwords, but not root logins; at least, not on the first install. On another system, where I could have others occasionally getting into trouble, I might enable that, and disable sudo privileges for all users except myself; but on this, I am the only user, and there is nothing anybody could access on my system without actually sitting in my chair with my machine running ... which, unless it happens at gunpoint, seems unlikely. Bill

On Tuesday 02 April 2019 18:36:14 Dan Youngquist wrote: Well, ATM I'm ready to shoot all the neighborhood cats. Something is shutting the stretch system off in about 5 minutes of mouse or keyboard inactivity, so I've had to recompose an install list and restart synaptic 5 or 6 times now. Then, to add insult to injury, the default system partition it sets up during the install for /, when you ask it for a separate /home, on a 2 terabyte drive is 30 GB. Hell's bells, my amanda database alone is 70GB, and its a backup of /usrlocal/etc/amanda and /usr/local/var/amanda! So I makes no sense to have less than 500GB for the / partition. I have never had ant great success at pre-partitioning a drive, the installer never accepts what you so carefully lay out with gparted, and the SOB uses so archaic a syntax you never know exactly what you have until the install is done, but I've got to try one more time if I can't get gparted to move stuff around and make it work. Right now I've wasted 14 hours on this and have yet to see a tde login. I've got some tde stuff, but its all sitting on a gnome screen. Grrrrr. Later, as in sometime tomorrow IF gparted can fix it. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

On Tuesday 02 April 2019 22:05:41 Felix Miata wrote: gene@coyote:~/Mail/emc$ parted -l Model: ATA ST1000VX000-1CU1 (scsi) Disk /dev/sda: 1000GB Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/4096B Partition Table: msdos Number Start End Size Type File system Flags 1 1049kB 983GB 983GB primary ext4 boot 2 983GB 1000GB 17.2GB extended 5 983GB 1000GB 17.2GB logical linux-swap(v1) Model: ATA ST2000DM006-2DM1 (scsi) Disk /dev/sdb: 2000GB Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/4096B Partition Table: msdos Number Start End Size Type File system Flags 1 1049kB 524GB 524GB primary ext4 2 524GB 545GB 21.0GB primary linux-swap(v1) 3 545GB 2000GB 1455GB primary ext4 Model: ATA ST31000333AS (scsi) Disk /dev/sdc: 1000GB Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition Table: msdos Number Start End Size Type File system Flags 1 1049kB 525MB 524MB primary ext4 boot 2 525MB 1000GB 1000GB primary ext3 Model: ATA ST2000DM001-1ER1 (scsi) Disk /dev/sdd: 2000GB Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/4096B Partition Table: msdos Number Start End Size Type File system Flags 1 1049kB 6817MB 6816MB primary ext4 2 6817MB 2000GB 1994GB primary ext4 Warning: Unable to open /dev/sr0 read-write (Read-only file system). /dev/sr0 has been opened read-only. Model: ATAPI iHAS424 B (scsi) Disk /dev/sr0: 306MB Sector size (logical/physical): 2048B/2048B Partition Table: mac Number Start End Size File system Name Flags 1 8192B 24.6kB 16.4kB Apple 2 7725kB 9429kB 1704kB EFI and fdisk -l: gene@coyote:~/Mail/emc$ sudo fdisk -l Disk /dev/sda: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders, total 1953525168 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes Disk identifier: 0x000657ed Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 * 2048 1919977471 959987712 83 Linux /dev/sda2 1919979518 1953523711 16772097 5 Extended Partition 2 does not start on physical sector boundary. /dev/sda5 1919979520 1953523711 16772096 82 Linux swap / Solaris Disk /dev/sdc: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders, total 1953525168 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x0006aa28 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdc1 * 2048 1026047 512000 83 Linux /dev/sdc2 1026048 1953523711 976248832 83 Linux Disk /dev/sdb: 2000.4 GB, 2000398934016 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 243201 cylinders, total 3907029168 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes Disk identifier: 0x8f7940d2 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 2048 1023999999 511998976 83 Linux /dev/sdb2 1024000000 1064959999 20480000 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sdb3 1064960000 3907028991 1421034496 83 Linux Disk /dev/sdd: 2000.4 GB, 2000398934016 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 243201 cylinders, total 3907029168 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes Disk identifier: 0x0000ec54 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdd1 2048 13314047 6656000 83 Linux /dev/sdd2 13314048 3907026943 1946856448 83 Linux /dev/sdb is the target disk, /dev/sda is current operating disk /dev/sdc is older, not in use amandatapes-1T disk, and /dev/sdd is currently used amandatapes-2T disk. /dev/sdc has had 25 re-allocated sectors since day one, about 7 years back. Around 80,000 spinning hours on it now. Bad firmware when it came over the counter at staples when a 1T drive was state of the art. New firmware also upped its read and write speeds by about 40 megs/second. Look this over please. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

On Wednesday 03 April 2019 12:38:12 Felix Miata wrote: yes, sdc is a 2T for amanda's vtapes, and sda and sdb will be swapped so I'll be booting from the first hard drive again. This is a 10 second operation as I have an old tiger direct 3 drive hot swap drive cage, although in deference to the drives I move them only when its powered down. And I've discovered that I can set "removeable" in the boot priority screen of the bios, so maybe it might boot from usb stick after all, but I don't have any of a suitable size for a dvd sub, netinstall maybe. Humm, just found a 16GB I don't think theres anything precious on.. But all I have is the jigdo stuffs. So it will take a while to grab dvd-1. And the jigdo file is no good, its asking for a site that apparently no longer has a valid repo. Debian mirror [http://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/] resolves, but there is nothing there for jigdo. I'm about burned out on this PITA. It seems to me that this problem could be fixed once and for all by simply installing grub while the partition was only at the minimal install stage, I think by waiting till the end of the install, grub is too far into the disk for a dumb messydos bios to find. Thats my theory at least. jigdo seems to be working but the mirror is stuck in molasses. This may take a day or more. And something has leaked, cups is AFU since the last failed install. Ah, usb cable didn't get plugged in again. My usb tree here if mapped, would resemble a fairly mature weeping willow. And this machine was down for a fresh psu last week. sdd is an older 1T seacrate and was used for amanda for around 85,000 hours, but has been in a hard mount slot since it was replaced with the 2T. I keep it spining so stiction doesn't lock it up. smartctl says its as good as new yet, except for the head flying hours. The latter. Even the floppy cable has been removed as the floppy is only used for sneaker net, and since this chipset dies, locking up the whole machine if a 256 byte/sector disk is inserted, its about as un-useful as can be here. Well, since I'm the one applying the disks partition labels, I trust them a lot farther than UUID's. I have had the simple replacemewnt of a failing disk change every UUID in the system, more than once. Since stretch seems to have been OEL'd at most mirrors I guess I'll wait for Buster now. Time to go change hats and play Chef. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

On Wednesday 03 April 2019 05:21:55 pm Gene Heskett wrote: Hi All, Okay I know about zero people on this list “need” this, as I’m sure we’re all familiar enough with dd, but I’m not adverse to getting some extra QC eyes to spot typo’s or bad copy/pastes ;) . How to create a Bootable USB stick, with free space, from an ISO image http://inet-design.com/blogs/michael/how-create-bootable-usb-stick-iso-imag… Hopefully though, the ability to have free space for .bashrc, proprietary drivers, and whatnot on the USB after burning the ISO image will be useful to few of you. Best, Michael

Michael wrote: http://inet-design.com/blogs/michael/how-create-bootable-usb-stick-iso-imag… I personally use debootstrap. After debootstrap is done I chroot and do grub, fstab and so on. It takes like 15-30min. depends on how much customization is required. If I would need iso from the usb, I recall there are tools to create the iso from a local directory, but never had to do this in the past 12+y. The part where I failed last time, was trying to setup UEFI and after couple of tries and reads various docs I understood I have to have booted with UEFI in order to setup UEFI - like catch22. regards

You have to be careful while I haven't had any issues with Debian and Unetbootin Rosa, Suse, and several others don't work well with this method. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 2:32 PM &lt;andre_debian(a)numericable.fr&gt; wrote: -- John Pisini Systems Administrator TFCCS 617-450-3988 Disclaimer for email: The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential or privileged information. This email is not intended to, and shall not, constitute an electronic signature giving rise to a binding legal contract, unless expressly stated otherwise in the body of the email by the sender.

They either don't boot or they boot but the installer fails usually after it has hosed the system. On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 5:42 PM &lt;andre_debian(a)numericable.fr&gt; wrote: -- John Pisini Systems Administrator TFCCS 617-450-3988 Disclaimer for email: The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential or privileged information. This email is not intended to, and shall not, constitute an electronic signature giving rise to a binding legal contract, unless expressly stated otherwise in the body of the email by the sender.

I would like to point out that was rude I was trying to help. I won't make that mistake again. On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 7:46 AM Gene Heskett &lt;gheskett(a)shentel.net&gt; wrote: -- John Pisini Systems Administrator TFCCS 617-450-3988 Disclaimer for email: The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain confidential or privileged information. This email is not intended to, and shall not, constitute an electronic signature giving rise to a binding legal contract, unless expressly stated otherwise in the body of the email by the sender.

On Friday 05 April 2019 05:04:08 Pisini, John wrote: When we make jokes online, other people don't get to see our winks and nudges, or other cues, which tell us that we are supposed to laugh rather than take it as an insult. Myself, I am obviously effin hilarious, but it doesn't always come through that way, and I am baffled when somebody imagines that I was trying to insult them. If I intend to insult somebody, I make sure that they know; I don't leave it open to interpretation. So when somebody makes a joke, and others don't get it, let's just embrace the awkward weirdness and keep moving ahead. Assume the best of others; it works. Gene is a great guy. Even the few people here who sometimes rub me the wrong way (there are only a couple, and it's not often) are better company than most of the "real" people that I meet when I leave my desk and venture forth into the outside world ... for example, when I go downstairs to get ice, or to check for mail. We all ought to give one another enough space to speak without immediately taking offence. Bill

Gene Heskett composed on 2019-04-03 18:21 (UTC-0400): Your brain is tired. Stretch is 9.x. Jessie is 8.x. Jessie would be the one leaving or having left the mirrors, the most recently obsoleted. Buster is 10.x, not yet "released". -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

Gene Heskett composed on 2019-04-04 22:24 (UTC-0400): You betcha something's wrong: http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/debianMirror20190405.jpg Same look at: http://debian.gtisc.gatech.edu/debian/dists/ http://mirror.us.leaseweb.net/debian/dists/ http://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/debian/dists/ http://mirrors.edge.kernel.org/debian/dists/ http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/debian/dists/ http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/ carroll.aset.psu.edu appears to be absent from https://www.debian.org/mirror/list-full.en.html Too many ways to fail. :-( Jigdo methods I haven't tried. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

On Wednesday 03 April 2019 01:20:51 Thierry de Coulon wrote: Not a lot of choices, xfce maybe. yes. I always install on a new drive, so my data is there, ready to copy over. Tell me your secret incantations... Generally I use ssh -Y for logins to the rest of my 8 machine network, and sshfs for file moving. I have a stanza in rc.local that mounts all that, or if need be a starter script that does them all. Those already mounted harmlessly error out, but if not mounted, it Just Works. One of them is a pi-3b, running 1400 lbs worth of a 70 yo Sheldon lathe. 3 more are intel boxes running similar cnc controlled machinery. This will be the first 64 bit install in the local system. I've put it off because LCNC doesn't run well with the 64 bits much longer IRQ latency's. Typically at least 4x longer on a 64 bit install. And lower priced setups using stepper motors cannot tolerate a late step, they'll stop and stall, making junk out of what could be a thousand dollar part. So the only thing this machine can do now is remotely monitor the others. Simulations are ok for writing code, but not much else. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

On Wednesday 03 April 2019 03:09:11 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: I think the installers only other choice is xfce, which I'll do this time. gnomes paranoia wears thin, very quickly. Even what they call a Konsole has been castrated. Thats unforgivable. I built this machine from scratch about a decade back, and I won't stand for their paranoia that just gets in the way of doing what I do with it. :( Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

On Wednesday 03 April 2019 09:56:09 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: The hell its not being paranoid, Nik. Every time I get something working well, some paranoid sob plugs that hole in the next version as a security risk. Dammit, its my local network, all behind a dd-wrt router. In 15 years no one has come in from the outside tha I didn't invite and gave them the login credentials to do it with, no exceptions. So let me do as I please on my own local net. I'll give you the ssh -Y remote cli login as a prime example. It wasn't user sensitive 10 years ago so a login Just Worked even if you've become root since logging in. Now we get "can't open display :10" errors unless you are first user all thru the systems, which I am not, there is no way on a raspian pi install to be other than pi as the first user #1000. BTDT spent weeks trying to work around that, finally gave up and just use ssh -Y pi@picnc. So if I want to run synaptic on the pi, I either have to goto its keyboard, a back and neck killing standup job, or more recently I've found gksudo works. But login as pi, and simply "sudo synaptic" gets the display opening error. And even that doesn't work when I'm logged into a rock64 running stretch. Its MY local network, get the hell out of my way and let me see if I can actually get what s/b a pi killer, to do anything but browse the internet. I've built realtime kernels on that rock64 4 or 5 times now, but the instant I sudo -i to try to figure out how to install one of those realtime kernels, I'm blocked from doing almost anything but an ls -l. Its enough to make one clear out the stray cats in the neighborhood. The point is, I build or buy this stuff for ME to use, whats wrong with that? And despite going into this stretch netinstall with a well formatted drive ready for the install, the installer would NOT proceed past the partitioning AND formatting stage, so I was forced to do it again, losing the partition labels in the process. Except I just ran blkid, and my labels survived!!!!!!! 'splain that one, but I like it! But mount -l can't find them... I had to use the /dev/sdb1 and sdb3 designators to mount them. Me, goes off scratching my thinning hair over that. Anyway, I've started copying stuff over, iuncludng the /opt directory. That oughtto be fun & games letting synaptic update all of the /opt/trinity directory to 64 bit stuff. :) Thanks Nik, for reading my rant. Stretch, amd64 version. Just did but have not rebooted to it yet, thought I'd check the mail first. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

On Thursday 04 April 2019 02:28:20 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: And it won't boot, grub, by the time its installed, is too far into the drive, and this dumbassed bios can't find it. So I'got to rethink my partitioning scheme to add a 250 meg /boot up front... And the chain saws snarling as they cut some more to feed the flames. Wheezy's paranoia was something you could work around most of the time without too much trouble until xhost got castrated. A good distribution. Jessie was a taste of whats to come. Stretch makes it worse. But we're gonna have to live with buster for a while, so we may as well figure out how to make it work, and sooner is better bause you get to run it longer. Actually. jessie on the pi wasn't too bad. I am actually getting things done with it. But info on the wintel stuff is common knowledge. Want to replace the armhf (pi) or arm64 (rock64) kernel with a realtime version? Nobody else sees the need, so your questions get ignored, not answered by the people who do have it all figured out. Thats BS. And its why I'm back to an intel machine for my current build. The atom boards can run a 32 bit kernel with IRQ latencies in the 3 to 5 microsecond range, so simple machines can be run directly from the parport. Need more i/o than the 5 inputs that gives? Mesa has several boards for under a $100 bill for that, including SPI interfaced that run at 41 megabaud on the pi. Unforch its a 3.3 volt board, easily damaged by noise, so it needs 7i42TA buffer boards, 1 for each group of 24 lines, so by the time you've a full 72 line interface, you're at about $200. But you are also looking at bringing a wire to it, insert in hole and tighten the screw, so wiring it up is a piece of cake. Then on this latest build, I chose a $120 7i76 board, driven by an $80 5i25, gives me 5 axises worth of stepper controls, an isolated vfd spindle control, 32 inputs for machine status, and 16 more outputs to run pumps and such with. And thosee fpga boards take care of the high speed timings so it all runs on a 1 millisecond main IRQ loop. Power to throw away on a dual core atom. Plenty of time left to drive your eye candy which I am not allergic to writing. That also explains why those nearly decade old atom boards sell on ebay for more that they sold for new. Intel accidently made us machine tool people an ideal board. But I'd better shaddup go see what the missus wants for breakfast. Take care Nik. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>

On Thu, 4 Apr 2019 08:01:11 -0400 Gene Heskett &lt;gheskett(a)shentel.net&gt; wrote: For the pi, shouldn't it just be a matter of following your distro's build-your- own-kernel instructions, using the pi-specific kernel sources and base config, and applying the rt patchset on top? Or does the patchset not apply cleanly or something? (Assuming you're building directly on the pi. If not, start with cross-compiler or qemu arm emulation setup, also per your distro. I went the qemu route.) E. Liddell

Gene Heskett wrote: Which one the rock64 or the PI ... I got already confused. For the PI there are very good descriptions of the boot process and what you need to have on the SD card ... I need to find the links I used. Also not necessary to build directly on the PI, but you can cross compile .... well might be easier for you to build directly on the PI. regards

Gene Heskett wrote: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/

Gene Heskett composed on 2019-04-03 08:48 (UTC-0400): You think wrong. Neither Gnome nor XFCE ever gets installed on any Debian here. Whether Debian or any Debian derivative on which I want TDE, I include the following on the installation kernel's cmdline: tasks=standard base-installer/install-recommends=false This produces a minimal installation, from which I add TDE to sources.list, so that the only desktop becomes TDE after following the TDE Wiki instructions. Typically before I add TDE I install the very light weight IceWM, to ensure I have a working X, and something to fall back to, if TDE or its repos seem to be broken. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/