30 Dec
2015
30 Dec
'15
9:40 p.m.
On Wednesday 30 December 2015 19.59:42 Michele Calgaro wrote:
(...)
OK, I once again forgot to link the pictures... :)
Hi Michele,
Not so easy... There's not much showing.
With kpackage, I get the same behaviour wether I start kpackage (from the
TDE/kicker menu) or by right-clicking on the *.deb file and choosing "open
with":
kpackage opens, I choose install, kpackage asks for the password (snapshot 1).
Maybe a clue? It asks for the SUDO password - I have no sudo password.
Neither the root nor the user password work. The dialog box disappears, then
comes back, and so on.
If I modify the menu command in "tdesu kpackage", kpackage works (albeit I get
a "tdeinit could not start tdesu" message...).
I tried starting kpackage from the command line but all I get is:
thierry@haswell:~$ kpackage
TQSettings::sync: failed to open '/etc/tqt3/tqt_plugins_3.5rc.tmp' for writing
TQLayout "unnamed" added to TQVBox "page", which already has a layout
thierry@haswell:~$ ^C
thierry@haswell:~$
No idea if this tells you something...
Gostcrypt shows a similar behaviour, but with no message at all. I can select
the crypted partition, but when I want to mount it this requires the root
password, which is not taken, so of course gostcrypt does not get the
superuser rights (snapshot 2).
tdesu gostcrypt works perfectly, so this is not really a problem.
I also need tdesu to start synaptic, but this is more to get a nice dialog box
(otherwise some text window is used to ask for the root password.
Thank you,
Thierry
> Now I've got a small problem with superuser
rights with some programs.
> Until now kpackage-trinity and Gostcrypt have shown this behaviour:
>
> - if I start the program (from TDE), at some point it will ask for the
> password. Neither the root password nor the user password work.
>
> - if I modify the program "icon" by adding "tdesu" before the
command,
> the password is asked first, and the program works correctly.
(...)
Thierry
Hi Thierry,
I tried to reproduce the problem on my system but I didn't see anything
wrong. But maybe I was doing something different from you.
Could you file a bug report with detail instructions on how to reproduce
the post? Some screenshots would also be useful .
Thanks
Michele 
30 Dec
30 Dec
10:58 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Superuser rights problem
On Wednesday 30 December 2015 21:40:45 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Wednesday 30 December 2015 19.59:42 Michele Calgaro
wrote:
(...)
OK, I once again forgot to link the pictures... :)
Hi Michele,
Not so easy... There's not much showing.
With kpackage, I get the same behaviour wether I start kpackage (from the
TDE/kicker menu) or by right-clicking on the *.deb file and choosing "open
with":
kpackage opens, I choose install, kpackage asks for the password (snapshot
1). Maybe a clue? It asks for the SUDO password - I have no sudo password.
Neither the root nor the user password work. The dialog box disappears,
then comes back, and so on.
If I modify the menu command in "tdesu kpackage", kpackage works (albeit I
get a "tdeinit could not start tdesu" message...).
I tried starting kpackage from the command line but all I get is:
thierry@haswell:~$ kpackage
TQSettings::sync: failed to open '/etc/tqt3/tqt_plugins_3.5rc.tmp' for
writing TQLayout "unnamed" added to TQVBox "page", which already has
a
layout thierry@haswell:~$ ^C
thierry@haswell:~$
No idea if this tells you something...
Gostcrypt shows a similar behaviour, but with no message at all. I can
select the crypted partition, but when I want to mount it this requires the
root password, which is not taken, so of course gostcrypt does not get the
superuser rights (snapshot 2).
tdesu gostcrypt works perfectly, so this is not really a problem.
I also need tdesu to start synaptic, but this is more to get a nice dialog
box (otherwise some text window is used to ask for the root password.
Thank you,
Thierry
Speaking as a Debian user, those screen-shots look like Ubuntu screen shots
and I suspect that this is another attack of cross-over-itis.
Try :
Change to the directory in which you have placed the file:
# dpkg -i kpackage-trinity_3.5.13.2-0debian7.0.0+0_amd64.deb
(except that hopefully you have a Jessie one for Jessie and you will need to
use that name)
Aptitude install all missing dependencies.
And if my guess is correct, all will be well.
Though mine installed automatically, which raises the question of why yours
did not.
Lisi
> Now I've got a small problem with
superuser rights with some programs.
> Until now kpackage-trinity and Gostcrypt have shown this behaviour:
>
> - if I start the program (from TDE), at some point it will ask for the
> password. Neither the root password nor the user password work.
>
> - if I modify the program "icon" by adding "tdesu" before the
command,
> the password is asked first, and the program works correctly.
(...)
Thierry
Hi Thierry,
I tried to reproduce the problem on my system but I didn't see anything
wrong. But maybe I was doing something different from you.
Could you file a bug report with detail instructions on how to reproduce
the post? Some screenshots would also be useful .
Thanks
Michele 
11:35 p.m.
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Lisi Reisz wrote:
Speaking as a Debian user, those screen-shots look
like Ubuntu screen
shots and I suspect that this is another attack of cross-over-itis.
Lisi, I don't think so - he has a different theme.
Try :
Change to the directory in which you have placed the file:
# dpkg -i kpackage-trinity_3.5.13.2-0debian7.0.0+0_amd64.deb
(except that hopefully you have a Jessie one for Jessie and you will need
to use that name)
Aptitude install all missing dependencies.
And if my guess is correct, all will be well.
Though mine installed automatically, which raises the question of why
yours did not.
He has a specific question not related to the installation of packages but
to the password prompt not accepting the password.
I've had this same annoying password queries but only with gnome programs -
it still pops up from time to time. I think it was the wicd and I tried to
trace it, but couldn't spent much time on it and dropped the investigation.
Perhaps it is debian related. I've seen this also before TDE.
I'm sorry I can not help much.
regards
31 Dec
31 Dec
9:10 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Superuser rights problem
On Wednesday 30 December 2015 23.58:28 Lisi Reisz wrote:
Speaking as a Debian user, those screen-shots look
like Ubuntu screen shots
and I suspect that this is another attack of cross-over-itis.
Thanks Lisi for the idea, however the desease would have to be TDE-internal:
this is a brand new install on a formated partition and the only repos added
are deb-multimedia and TDE's.
Try :
Change to the directory in which you have placed the file:
# dpkg -i kpackage-trinity_3.5.13.2-0debian7.0.0+0_amd64.deb
(except that hopefully you have a Jessie one for Jessie and you will need
to use that name)
Aptitude install all missing dependencies.
And if my guess is correct, all will be well.
I tried this. By the way, reading the header of TDE's Packages list, I read:
Origin: LP-PPA-trinity-trinity-r14.0.0
Label: Trinity Desktop Environment R14.0.0
Suite: jessie
Version: 8.0
Codename: jessie
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 22:13:40 UTC
Architectures: amd64 armel armhf i386 ppc64el
Components: main
Description: Ubuntu Jessie 8.0
Does that mean Ubuntu and Jessie share the same binary?
Anyway, I downloaded kpackage from the TDE repositories and installed it new -
no change. So the origin of the problem is deeper.
Deloptes says he's seen this "before TDE", so I assume KDE 3, and with Gnome
programs. I guess somehow these program makes a call for password using
some "software" that is both "wrong" enough not to process the answer
to the
right place but "right" enough not to throw some usable error - but this is a
very theoretical guess and I'm afraid I'm totaly unable to go scout the code
to find what it could be.
As there are workarounds, I can live with this.
You say your install does not show that. How did you install Jessie (I mean
what UI did you choose prior to installing TDE)? Maybe this could have an
effect on the behaviour.
I installed with Gnome 3. Installing TDE removes some Gnome programs because
of "incompatibilities", maybe the source of the problem is there?
Have a nice day,
Thierry
9:42 a.m.
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On Thursday 31 December 2015 12:10:23 am Thierry de Coulon wrote:
You say your install does not show that. How did you install Jessie (I mean
what UI did you choose prior to installing TDE)? Maybe this could have an
effect on the behaviour.
I installed with Gnome 3. Installing TDE removes some Gnome programs
because of "incompatibilities", maybe the source of the problem is there?
I use Debian, I usually install the base+standard, then add TDE repo's to my
sources list. Using Gnome3 could be a source of issues. If I need a desktop
environment to add TDE I usually use just a window manager and xorg to access
help on the interent.
--
Greg
10:10 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Superuser rights problem
On Thursday 31 of December 2015 10:10:23 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
I tried this. By the way, reading the header of
TDE's Packages list, I
read:
Origin: LP-PPA-trinity-trinity-r14.0.0
Label: Trinity Desktop Environment R14.0.0
Suite: jessie
Version: 8.0
Codename: jessie
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 22:13:40 UTC
Architectures: amd64 armel armhf i386 ppc64el
Components: main
Description: Ubuntu Jessie 8.0
Does that mean Ubuntu and Jessie share the same binary?
Official packages are built on 'QuickBuild', which is an implementation of the
Ubuntu Launchpad. Therefore, all distributions are called 'Ubuntu', although
it is a Debian or Raspbian.
--
Slávek
10:54 a.m.
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On Thursday 31 December 2015 11.10:00 Slávek Banko wrote:
Official packages are built on 'QuickBuild',
which is an implementation of
the Ubuntu Launchpad. Therefore, all distributions are called 'Ubuntu',
although it is a Debian or Raspbian.
--
Slávek
Thanks Slávek for enlightening me on this (I had never bothered to look what
QuickBuild is...).
Thierry
10:54 a.m.
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Thierry de Coulon wrote:
Deloptes says he's seen this "before
TDE", so I assume KDE 3, and with
Gnome programs. I guess somehow these program makes a call for password
using some "software" that is both "wrong" enough not to process the
answer to the right place but "right" enough not to throw some usable
error - but this is a very theoretical guess and I'm afraid I'm totaly
unable to go scout the code to find what it could be.
I suspect it to be something dbus related, but usually when I get the issue
it is when I'm no in the local lan, but somewhere on the road and want to
configure the wicd to use some other wlan.
The workaround is to cancel all the prompts.
Perhaps you could create a new user and login first to TDE with that user.
Check the kwallet as well and if the user is in the sudo group (this because
you mentioned something about ksu).
I have no issue with TDE apps. I would love to use network manager instead
of wicd, but it turned out it is linked to systemd ...
regards
2:26 p.m.
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On 12/30/2015 10:40 PM, Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Wednesday 30 December 2015 19.59:42 Michele Calgaro
wrote: (...)
OK, I once again forgot to link the pictures... :)
Hi Michele,
Not so easy... There's not much showing.
With kpackage, I get the same behaviour wether I start kpackage (from the TDE/kicker
menu) or by right-clicking on
the *.deb file and choosing "open with":
kpackage opens, I choose install, kpackage asks for the password (snapshot 1). Maybe a
clue? It asks for the SUDO
password - I have no sudo password. Neither the root nor the user password work. The
dialog box disappears, then
comes back, and so on.
If I modify the menu command in "tdesu kpackage", kpackage works (albeit I get
a "tdeinit could not start tdesu"
message...).
I tried starting kpackage from the command line but all I get is:
thierry@haswell:~$ kpackage TQSettings::sync: failed to open
'/etc/tqt3/tqt_plugins_3.5rc.tmp' for writing TQLayout
"unnamed" added to TQVBox "page", which already has a layout
thierry@haswell:~$ ^C thierry@haswell:~$
No idea if this tells you something...
Gostcrypt shows a similar behaviour, but with no message at all. I can select the crypted
partition, but when I
want to mount it this requires the root password, which is not taken, so of course
gostcrypt does not get the
superuser rights (snapshot 2). tdesu gostcrypt works perfectly, so this is not really a
problem.
I also need tdesu to start synaptic, but this is more to get a nice dialog box (otherwise
some text window is used
to ask for the root password.
Thank you,
Thierry
Hi Thierry,
I tried the same operation on my system (Debian/Stretch) and did not have any problem,
after typing the root password
I could install a package and also remove it.
Obviously there must be some differences somewhere, so I have file bug report 2570 so we
don't forget about it.
Cheers and Happy New Year to all users.
Michele
> Now I've got a small problem with
superuser rights with some programs. Until now kpackage-trinity and
> Gostcrypt have shown this behaviour:
>
> - if I start the program (from TDE), at some point it will ask for the password.
Neither the root password nor
> the user password work.
>
> - if I modify the program "icon" by adding "tdesu" before the
command, the password is asked first, and the
> program works correctly.
(...)
Thierry
Hi Thierry, I tried to reproduce the problem on my system but I didn't see anything
wrong. But maybe I was doing
something different from you. Could you file a bug report with detail instructions on how
to reproduce the post?
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3:49 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Superuser rights problem
On Wednesday 30 December 2015 12:40:45 pm Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Wednesday 30 December 2015 19.59:42 Michele Calgaro
wrote:
(...)
OK, I once again forgot to link the pictures... :)
Hi Michele,
Not so easy... There's not much showing.
With kpackage, I get the same behaviour wether I start kpackage (from the
TDE/kicker menu) or by right-clicking on the *.deb file and choosing "open
with":
kpackage opens, I choose install, kpackage asks for the password (snapshot
1). Maybe a clue? It asks for the SUDO password - I have no sudo password.
Neither the root nor the user password work. The dialog box disappears,
then comes back, and so on.
If I modify the menu command in "tdesu kpackage", kpackage works (albeit I
get a "tdeinit could not start tdesu" message...).
I tried starting kpackage from the command line but all I get is:
thierry@haswell:~$ kpackage
TQSettings::sync: failed to open '/etc/tqt3/tqt_plugins_3.5rc.tmp' for
writing TQLayout "unnamed" added to TQVBox "page", which already has
a
layout thierry@haswell:~$ ^C
thierry@haswell:~$
No idea if this tells you something...
Gostcrypt shows a similar behaviour, but with no message at all. I can
select the crypted partition, but when I want to mount it this requires the
root password, which is not taken, so of course gostcrypt does not get the
superuser rights (snapshot 2).
tdesu gostcrypt works perfectly, so this is not really a problem.
I also need tdesu to start synaptic, but this is more to get a nice dialog
box (otherwise some text window is used to ask for the root password.
Thank you,
Thierry
tdesu is a graphical frontend to 'su', root privledges, afaik uses the root
password, This os different that the 'sudo' related TDE stuff, sudo et al
uses the users password.The user has to be in the sudo group to work. No
separate sudo password.
Your second png shows tdesudo being installed, all the TDE sudo packages
depend on 'sudo', should be installed I 'am thinking, add users to the
'sudo'
group.
another way to manage sudo users is with 'visudo' as root.
I would be supspicious of Gnome stuff, is gksu installed?
--
Greg
> Now I've got a small problem with
superuser rights with some programs.
> Until now kpackage-trinity and Gostcrypt have shown this behaviour:
>
> - if I start the program (from TDE), at some point it will ask for the
> password. Neither the root password nor the user password work.
>
> - if I modify the program "icon" by adding "tdesu" before the
command,
> the password is asked first, and the program works correctly.
(...)
Thierry
Hi Thierry,
I tried to reproduce the problem on my system but I didn't see anything
wrong. But maybe I was doing something different from you.
Could you file a bug report with detail instructions on how to reproduce
the post? Some screenshots would also be useful .
Thanks
Michele
6:08 p.m.
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On Thursday 31 December 2015 16.49:38 Greg Madden wrote:
Yes, and it works that way. Launching any program with "tdesu <program
name>"
takes the root password and runs the program with root privileges.
Thierry
tdesu is a graphical frontend to 'su', root privledges, afaik uses the
root password, This os different that the 'sudo' related TDE
stuff, sudo et
al uses the users password.The user has to be in the sudo group to work. No
separate sudo password.
Your second png shows tdesudo being installed, all the TDE sudo packages
depend on 'sudo', should be installed I 'am thinking, add users to the
'sudo' group.
tdesudo is _not_ installed (at least synaptic does not list it as installed)
I would be supspicious of Gnome stuff, is gksu
installed?
No, not installed either.
another way to manage sudo users is with
'visudo' as root.
Adding my user to the sudo group (with kuser), the user password works in
kpackage.
I think this is logical, as visudo shows:
# User privilege specification
root ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
# Allow members of group sudo to execute any command
%sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
But what is not logical is that kpackage expects a sudo password when tdesudo
is not installed. I thought not installing sudo meant using the root
password. Debain was not installed with sudo, so why is it working?
Thierry
6:23 p.m.
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On Thursday 31 December 2015 16.49:38 Greg Madden wrote:
another way to manage sudo users is with
'visudo' as root.
Greg
Visudo was the way to go, but this way:
- comment out the sudo line
- add
Defaults targetpw
ALL ALL=(ALL) ALL
This way it seems the programs tyke the root password.
Thierry
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