22 Jun
2019
22 Jun
'19
6:39 a.m.
On 05/19/2019 04:56 PM, deloptes wrote:
The problem becomes, and naturally so, that TDE may need to become upstream
for the various components of Amarok, or Amarok itself it upsteam support is gone.
There was a lengthy discussion on the openSuSE list about Amarok and
specifically whether a "better alternatives exist.". There were none found
that provided the traditional features or behavior of Amarok, which mitigates
in favor of patching Amarok and continuing to offer it. There were always
shortcomings in the supposed better alternatives that either required hacks or
workarounds, even for behavior as trivial as continual play.
Just another angle to consider. The openSuSE list discussion was within the
past 2-weeks, though I must have deleted that thread.
--
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Amarok remove
( https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=921127 )
argues "it's dead upstream and better alternatives exist."
mp4v2 has 9 ignored security issues ( https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/mp4v2
) so if it is possible to modify it in order to Amarpk does not depend on
mp4v2, then much better (Qt4/Qt5 Amarok versions do not depend on mp4v2).
I think
if we want to remove this dependency, we need to open an issue in
TGW for it. 
9 Jul
9 Jul
1:22 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: [trinity-devel] Re: Re: amarok and missing mp4v2 in Buster
There was a lengthy discussion on the openSuSE list
about Amarok and
specifically whether a "better alternatives exist.". There were none found
that provided the traditional features or behavior of Amarok
I switched from using
Windows to Linux some 15 years ago. Amarok was the single primary reason for
this move. I was a student spending most of my day luistening to music and no Windows (nor
Linux!) application even came close to offering the features that Amarok had. 15 years
later I am
still relying on Amarok on a daily basis, even though many of the features it offered in
the past
no longer work due to bitrot (e.g. fetching album covers from Amazon or lyrics from
various
sites). Saying that it would be sad to see it go would be a huge understatement.
Janek
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13 Jan
13 Jan
5:30 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Re: Re: amarok and missing mp4v2 in Buster
On 09/07/2019 15:22, Jan Stolarek wrote:
Dears,
Reading old mails today!
Just to add that I am also using Amarok 1.4.x since 2006 maybe.
I never found a better replacement, including Amarok 2.x.
Actually, I am using TDE repos mainly for Amarok as well as for a few
programs I felt in love with (kpdf, kuickshow, ksnapshot, konqueror,
kolourpaint, kcolorchooser).
I really hope Amarok will not be dropped from TDE in the 20+ forthcoming
years! (At that point, I might get retired, still listening to music a
lot, and then consider to contribute to maintain it!)
Nicolas
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There was a
lengthy discussion on the openSuSE list about Amarok and
specifically whether a "better alternatives exist.". There were none found
that provided the traditional features or behavior of Amarok
I switched from using
Windows to Linux some 15 years ago. Amarok was the single primary reason for
this move. I was a student spending most of my day luistening to music and no Windows
(nor
Linux!) application even came close to offering the features that Amarok had. 15 years
later I am
still relying on Amarok on a daily basis, even though many of the features it offered in
the past
no longer work due to bitrot (e.g. fetching album covers from Amazon or lyrics from
various
sites). Saying that it would be sad to see it go would be a huge understatement.
Janek 
6:04 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Re: Re: amarok and missing mp4v2 in Buster
Am Mittwoch, 13. Januar 2021 schrieb Nicolas Bercher via trinity-users
via tde-users:
I never found a better replacement, including Amarok
2.x.
Actually, I am using TDE repos mainly for Amarok as well as for a few
programs I felt in love with (kpdf, kuickshow, ksnapshot, konqueror,
kolourpaint, kcolorchooser).
I really hope Amarok will not be dropped from TDE in the 20+
forthcoming years! (At that point, I might get retired, still
listening to music a lot, and then consider to contribute to maintain
it!)
:-)
Cheers,
Stefan
6:42 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Re: Re: amarok and missing mp4v2 in Buster
On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 19:04:24 Stefan Krusche via tde-users
wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 13. Januar 2021 schrieb Nicolas Bercher
via trinity-users
via tde-users:
I use Amarok practically every day - it's my favorite music player. I don't
suppose we want to do something bad to Amarok :) Only maybe we'll want to
change the name sometime in the future so that it doesn't conflict with
upstream Amarok.
Cheers
--
Slávek
I never found a better replacement, including
Amarok 2.x.
Actually, I am using TDE repos mainly for Amarok as well as for a few
programs I felt in love with (kpdf, kuickshow, ksnapshot, konqueror,
kolourpaint, kcolorchooser).
I really hope Amarok will not be dropped from TDE in the 20+
forthcoming years! (At that point, I might get retired, still
listening to music a lot, and then consider to contribute to maintain
it!)
:-)
Cheers,
Stefan
____________________________________________________ 
7:01 p.m.
New subject: [users] [trinity-devel] Re: Re: amarok and missing mp4v2 in Buster
On 2021-01-13 12:42:10 Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:
On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 19:04:24 Stefan
Krusche via tde-users
wrote:
Tamarok? :-)
Leslie
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Am Mittwoch, 13. Januar 2021 schrieb Nicolas
Bercher via trinity-users
via tde-users:
I use Amarok practically every day - it's my favorite music player. I don't
suppose we want to do something bad to Amarok :) Only maybe we'll want to
change the name sometime in the future so that it doesn't conflict with
upstream Amarok.
Cheers I never found a better replacement, including
Amarok 2.x.
Actually, I am using TDE repos mainly for Amarok as well as for a few
programs I felt in love with (kpdf, kuickshow, ksnapshot, konqueror,
kolourpaint, kcolorchooser).
I really hope Amarok will not be dropped from TDE in the 20+
forthcoming years! (At that point, I might get retired, still
listening to music a lot, and then consider to contribute to maintain
it!)
:-)
Cheers,
Stefan
____________________________________________________ 
7:28 p.m.
New subject: [users] [trinity-devel] Re: Re: amarok and missing mp4v2 in Buster
On Wednesday 13 January 2021 01:01:58 pm J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2021-01-13 12:42:10 Slávek Banko via tde-users
wrote:
Nah, follow the existing TDE renaming convention, which I don’ know actually,
but it’s something like:
trinity-amarok (debian)
??? (redhat)
And I’d guess there are more than debian and redhat as top level
distributions? (OpenSUSE? Mandriva? PCLinuxOS?) But, again, I don’t really
know how many distributions TDE works on?
Best,
Michael
Only maybe we'll
want to change the name sometime in the future so that it doesn't
conflict with upstream Amarok.
Tamarok? :-)
7:39 p.m.
New subject: [users] [users] [trinity-devel] Re: Re: amarok and missing mp4v2 in Buster
On 2021-01-13 13:28:01 Michael via tde-users wrote:
On Wednesday 13 January 2021 01:01:58 pm J Leslie
Turriff wrote:
Well, yes, for the package name.
On 2021-01-13 12:42:10 Slávek Banko via tde-users
wrote:
Nah, follow the existing TDE renaming convention, which I don’ know
actually, but it’s something like:
trinity-amarok (debian)
??? (redhat) Only maybe we'll
want to change the name sometime in the future so that it doesn't
conflict with upstream Amarok.
Tamarok? :-)
And I’d guess there are more than debian and redhat as top level
distributions? (OpenSUSE? Mandriva? PCLinuxOS?) But, again, I don’t
really know how many distributions TDE works on?
RedHat, OpenSuSE and Arch are RPM based. I think Trinity runs on at least
one flavour of BSD, and I wish it ran on OS-X, whose built-in desktop is even
worse than Windows. :-)
Best,
Michael
Leslie
--
9:32 p.m.
New subject: amarok and missing mp4v2 in Buster
On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 20:39:15 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2021-01-13 13:28:01 Michael via tde-users wrote:
Yes, as Leslie rightly pointed out, you mention the name of the package,
not the name of the binaries / libraries. This is a different level.
Package names for Debian-based distributions use "-trinity" as the suffix,
while for distributions using RPM, "trinity-" is used as the prefix.
For libraries and some binaries there have been many of renames to k => t,
k => tde, kde => tde. But many others still remain the original, so
potentially conflicting if installed in /usr instead of in a
separate /opt/trinity.
Renaming all remaning libraries and binaries will be a difficult task and a
big discussion. For example, the mentioned tamarok sounds good to me.
Alternatively, we can think of another long-playing song by Mike
Oldfield - like Taurus :)
Cheers
--
Slávek
On Wednesday 13 January 2021 01:01:58 pm J Leslie
Turriff wrote:
Well, yes, for the package name.
On 2021-01-13 12:42:10 Slávek Banko via tde-users
wrote:
Nah, follow the existing TDE renaming convention, which I don’ know
actually, but it’s something like:
trinity-amarok (debian)
??? (redhat) Only maybe we'll
want to change the name sometime in the future so that it doesn't
conflict with upstream Amarok.
Tamarok? :-) And I’d guess there are more than debian and
redhat as top level
distributions? (OpenSUSE? Mandriva? PCLinuxOS?) But, again, I don’t
really know how many distributions TDE works on?
RedHat, OpenSuSE and Arch are RPM based. I think Trinity runs on at
least one flavour of BSD, and I wish it ran on OS-X, whose built-in
desktop is even worse than Windows. :-)
Best,
Michael
Leslie
9:54 p.m.
New subject: amarok and missing mp4v2 in Buster
On Wednesday 13 January 2021 03:32:14 pm Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:
On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 20:39:15 J Leslie
Turriff wrote:
Ah, cool, thanks for that explanation, I’m sure I could have pieced it
together, but it’s nice seeing it all in one place.
Completely just curiosity on my part: If the program name is left as amarok
and the TDE version is in /opt/trinity/bin/ would that conflict with amarok
(official/upstream? I’m not sure what that name is suppose to be.)
in /usr/bin? Or what happens when you have both:
/opt/trinity/bin/amarok
/usr/bin/amarok
as being from different packages?
On 2021-01-13 13:28:01 Michael via tde-users
wrote:
Yes, as Leslie rightly pointed out, you mention the name of the package,
not the name of the binaries / libraries. This is a different level.
Package names for Debian-based distributions use "-trinity" as the suffix,
while for distributions using RPM, "trinity-" is used as the prefix.
For libraries and some binaries there have been many of renames to k => t,
k => tde, kde => tde. But many others still remain the original, so
potentially conflicting if installed in /usr instead of in a
separate /opt/trinity.
Renaming all remaning libraries and binaries will be a difficult task and a
big discussion. For example, the mentioned tamarok sounds good to me.
Alternatively, we can think of another long-playing song by Mike
Oldfield - like Taurus :) On Wednesday 13 January 2021 01:01:58 pm J Leslie
Turriff wrote:
Well, yes, for the package name.
On 2021-01-13 12:42:10 Slávek Banko via tde-users
wrote:
> Only maybe we'll
> want to change the name sometime in the future so that it doesn't
> conflict with upstream Amarok.
Tamarok? :-)
Nah, follow the existing TDE renaming convention, which I don’ know
actually, but it’s something like:
trinity-amarok (debian)
??? (redhat) And I’d guess there are more than debian and
redhat as top level
distributions? (OpenSUSE? Mandriva? PCLinuxOS?) But, again, I don’t
really know how many distributions TDE works on?
RedHat, OpenSuSE and Arch are RPM based. I think Trinity runs on at
least one flavour of BSD, and I wish it ran on OS-X, whose built-in
desktop is even worse than Windows. :-)
Best,
Michael
Leslie
10:11 p.m.
New subject: amarok and missing mp4v2 in Buster
On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 22:54:47 Michael via tde-users wrote:
Ah, cool, thanks for that explanation, I’m sure I
could have pieced it
together, but it’s nice seeing it all in one place.
Completely just curiosity on my part: If the program name is left as
amarok and the TDE version is in /opt/trinity/bin/ would that conflict
with amarok (official/upstream? I’m not sure what that name is suppose
to be.) in /usr/bin? Or what happens when you have both:
/opt/trinity/bin/amarok
/usr/bin/amarok
as being from different packages?
In the current state where Trinity is installed in a separate folder, this
does not cause a file conflict, but it depends on how you run the session.
If you have a full TDE session, then the PATH is set so that the
path /opt/trinity/bin is inserted before /usr/bin, so when you
enter "amarok" (without full patch) the Trinity version will start
=> /opt/trinity/bin/amarok. If you do not have a full TDE session or a
manually modified PATH, then the upstream version will start
=> /usr/bin/amarok.
If we wanted to install in /usr instead of /opt/trinity, then a file
conflict would occur and the user could not have both variants installed.
Therefore, the need to rename binaries and libraries blocks the
possibility of inclusion as a standard part of distributions.
Cheers
--
Slávek
14 Jan
14 Jan
2:32 a.m.
New subject: [users] [users] [trinity-devel] Re: Re: amarok and missing mp4v2 in Buster
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:39:15 -0600
J Leslie Turriff <jlturriff(a)mail.com> wrote:
Arch is not an RPM distro. If you try to divide Linux distributions up by
package format, you end up with two large and three small families:
The big families descend from Debian and Red Hat.
The small families descend from Slackware, Arch, and Gentoo.
There are also some singletons with their own package formats.
TDE is, or has been, available for all five families, although I'm
uncertain of its status on Arch and Slackware at this time (or on BSD
for that matter), and not all packages are available for Gentoo (yet).
Whether or not it would be possible to install TDE on OSX with the
aid of libraries from something like Homebrew . . . I don't think anyone's
ever tried, but my guess is that it wouldn't work very well.
E. Liddell
On 2021-01-13 13:28:01 Michael via tde-users wrote:
And I’d guess
there are more than debian and redhat as top level
distributions? (OpenSUSE? Mandriva? PCLinuxOS?) But, again, I don’t
really know how many distributions TDE works on?
RedHat, OpenSuSE and Arch are RPM based. I think Trinity runs on at least
one flavour of BSD, and I wish it ran on OS-X, whose built-in desktop is even
worse than Windows. :-)
15 Jan
15 Jan
4:27 a.m.
New subject: [users] [users] [users] [trinity-devel] Re: Re: amarok and missing mp4v2 in Buster
On 2021-01-13 20:32:54 E. Liddell wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:39:15 -0600
J Leslie Turriff <jlturriff(a)mail.com> wrote:
Wups! I know there is at least a third RPM-based Linux; thought that was it.
Leslie
--
On 2021-01-13 13:28:01 Michael via tde-users
wrote:
Arch is not an RPM distro. If you try to divide Linux distributions up by
package format, you end up with two large and three small families:
The big families descend from Debian and Red Hat.
The small families descend from Slackware, Arch, and Gentoo.
There are also some singletons with their own package formats.
TDE is, or has been, available for all five families, although I'm
uncertain of its status on Arch and Slackware at this time (or on BSD
for that matter), and not all packages are available for Gentoo (yet).
Whether or not it would be possible to install TDE on OSX with the
aid of libraries from something like Homebrew . . . I don't think anyone's
ever tried, but my guess is that it wouldn't work very well.
E. Liddell And I’d guess there are more than debian and
redhat as top level
distributions? (OpenSUSE? Mandriva? PCLinuxOS?) But, again, I don’t
really know how many distributions TDE works on?
RedHat, OpenSuSE and Arch are RPM based. I think Trinity runs on at
least one flavour of BSD, and I wish it ran on OS-X, whose built-in
desktop is even worse than Windows. :-)
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