27 Apr
2022
27 Apr
'22
1:31 p.m.
This issue just started, seemingly out of the blue. My system has been running
just fine, and I haven't made any changes or installed anything new or
upgraded in a long time.
The first signs I had were earlier this evening, when suddenly one of my
external hard drives was not recognized. When I tried mounting and
unmounting, everything seemed very slow; still couldn't get it to recognize
that external hard drive. Finally I unmounted everything, then tried just
that hard drive, and it mounted normally.
When I tried to open it, however, Konqueror started acting really weird, and a
window opened but nothing was displayed.
At last I decided to reinstall my system, but after booting up again, nothing
has changed in this behavior. I did finally get a message window (not in TDE
style, but rather in XFCE or Gnome or whatever) saying something
like "message bus could not connect, connection refused - but why all of a
sudden? Everything has been running great.
It occurs to me that somebody on the mailing list mentioned that Konqueror was
acting a little weird, and I wondered if this could be related.
I am running Devuan Chimaera (= Debian Bullseye) and currently using the TDE
stable repositories.
Any help would be appreciated.
Bill
28 Apr
28 Apr
12:33 a.m.
I could be wrong but this sounds like a smart failure or a cable connection
error.
Shutdown the box, unplug it, press the power button for 20s, then unplug and
replug the harddrive in. BE CAREFUL. Check the connection on the board as
well. BE CAREFUL. They can go "stale".
If that doesn't help, the IDE (intergrated device electronics) on the hard
drive may be failing.
Unmount it and run some tests using GSmartControl.
This is common behavior of a dying electronics on an otherwise healthy hard
drive.
Hope this helps,
Kate
On Wednesday 27 April 2022 09:31:44 am William Morder via tde-users wrote:
This issue just started, seemingly out of the blue. My
system has been
running just fine, and I haven't made any changes or installed anything new
or upgraded in a long time.
The first signs I had were earlier this evening, when suddenly one of my
external hard drives was not recognized. When I tried mounting and
unmounting, everything seemed very slow; still couldn't get it to recognize
that external hard drive. Finally I unmounted everything, then tried just
that hard drive, and it mounted normally.
When I tried to open it, however, Konqueror started acting really weird,
and a window opened but nothing was displayed.
At last I decided to reinstall my system, but after booting up again,
nothing has changed in this behavior. I did finally get a message window
(not in TDE style, but rather in XFCE or Gnome or whatever) saying
something
like "message bus could not connect, connection refused - but why all of a
sudden? Everything has been running great.
It occurs to me that somebody on the mailing list mentioned that Konqueror
was acting a little weird, and I wondered if this could be related.
I am running Devuan Chimaera (= Debian Bullseye) and currently using the
TDE stable repositories.
Any help would be appreciated.
Bill
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12:52 a.m.
On Wednesday 27 April 2022 17:33:19 Borg Labs wrote:
I could be wrong but this sounds like a smart failure
or a cable
connection error.
Shutdown the box, unplug it, press the power button for 20s, then unplug
and replug the harddrive in. BE CAREFUL. Check the connection on the board
as well. BE CAREFUL. They can go "stale".
If that doesn't help, the IDE (intergrated device electronics) on the hard
drive may be failing.
Unmount it and run some tests using GSmartControl.
This is common behavior of a dying electronics on an otherwise healthy hard
drive.
Hope this helps,
Kate
These are WD EasyStore 4 TB hard drives. They are compact, about the size of a
pack of cigarettes, or playing cards. The only power comes from the
connection to the laptop itself. However, I do use a 4-port USB hub. I am
thinking that maybe I ought to use a USB hub with power supply, and maybe
that will help. But I've been using everything like this now for at least 4
months with no problems, aside from my usual complaints in set up (e.g.,
reformatting the drives with Linux filesystems, getting them to mount and
unmount properly and without much trouble, etc.
I will nearly always have at least two of them connected and mounted, because
the contain working files and my music collection, respectively; the other
two are the ones that seem to give me this headache. The contain only videos,
films, TV shows, documentaries, and such. The first two still have a lot of
free space; the last two (the videos) are each about 3/4 full. I am thinking
maybe that could be the problem: that it's just taking too long for my laptop
to read them, because there's so much? But, as I said, they've been working
just fine for the past four months.
Bill
5:02 a.m.
This can happen due to something like a dirty bit on ntfs, try fixntfs or try another
cable also has Kate said try smart to see if the drive is OK. Best idea actually would be
to plug in to a windows box if you can get to one and that will repair filesystem problems
better than fixntfs.
Alie
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 at 1:54, William Morder via
tde-users<users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
On Wednesday 27 April 2022 17:33:19 Borg Labs wrote:
I could be wrong but this sounds like a smart failure
or a cable
connection error.
Shutdown the box, unplug it, press the power button for 20s, then unplug
and replug the harddrive in. BE CAREFUL. Check the connection on the board
as well. BE CAREFUL. They can go "stale".
If that doesn't help, the IDE (intergrated device electronics) on the hard
drive may be failing.
Unmount it and run some tests using GSmartControl.
This is common behavior of a dying electronics on an otherwise healthy hard
drive.
Hope this helps,
Kate
These are WD EasyStore 4 TB hard drives. They are compact, about the size of a
pack of cigarettes, or playing cards. The only power comes from the
connection to the laptop itself. However, I do use a 4-port USB hub. I am
thinking that maybe I ought to use a USB hub with power supply, and maybe
that will help. But I've been using everything like this now for at least 4
months with no problems, aside from my usual complaints in set up (e.g.,
reformatting the drives with Linux filesystems, getting them to mount and
unmount properly and without much trouble, etc.
I will nearly always have at least two of them connected and mounted, because
the contain working files and my music collection, respectively; the other
two are the ones that seem to give me this headache. The contain only videos,
films, TV shows, documentaries, and such. The first two still have a lot of
free space; the last two (the videos) are each about 3/4 full. I am thinking
maybe that could be the problem: that it's just taking too long for my laptop
to read them, because there's so much? But, as I said, they've been working
just fine for the past four months.
Bill
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6:11 p.m.
On Wednesday 27 April 2022 22:02:11 alistair izzard via tde-users wrote:
This can happen due to something like a dirty bit on
ntfs, try fixntfs or
try another cable also has Kate said try smart to see if the drive is OK.
Best idea actually would be to plug in to a windows box if you can get to
one and that will repair filesystem problems better than fixntfs. Alie
I formatted these drives as ext3, not ntfs, so connecting to a Windoze machine
will never happen.
Probably it is what Kate has already suggested, and as I was beginning to
suspect. I might need to get another power supply or adapter, since the
cooling pad for my laptop uses the same size adapter. Probably more power is
all that is needed. I have 3 usb 3.0 ports on my machine, but they get used
up fast. I try to use a single machine to do too many different things.
The simple, easy solution is that I need to get myself moved into a bigger
place, somewhere that I can have a nerd cave, a room where I would have
several machines running. For the present, though, I must make do.
Bill
5:57 p.m.
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
At last I decided to reinstall my system, but after
booting up again,
nothing has changed in this behavior. I did finally get a message window
(not in TDE style, but rather in XFCE or Gnome or whatever) saying
something like "message bus could not connect, connection refused - but
why all of a sudden? Everything has been running great.
in some case the dbus server is spawning too many messages and gets
exhausted. I have seen it few times, when testing with dbus
I am not sure about XFCE, but Gnome is using dbus heavily which brings me to
the question why would you use Devuan when using Gnome as Devuan is without
systemd, but systemd plays significant role in the context of Gnome and
both are integrating with and relying to dbus.
It occurs to me that somebody on the mailing list
mentioned that Konqueror
was acting a little weird, and I wondered if this could be related.
Konqueror (and TDE) do not use dbus although there are few exceptions.
I am running Devuan Chimaera (= Debian Bullseye) and
currently using the
TDE stable repositories.
Any help would be appreciated.
To find out what is going on (next time) use dbus-monitor
dbus-monitor --system
dbus-monitor --session
hopefully you can find out which application was responsible for exhausting
the dbus.
BR
6:38 p.m.
On Thursday 28 April 2022 12:57:00 pm deloptes wrote:
To find out what is going on (next time) use
dbus-monitor
dbus-monitor --system
dbus-monitor --session
If you have an HD that isn't an issue, then you can just dump the output to a
logfile:
dbus-monitor --system > /home/user/logs/dbus-monitor-system.log
{etc., fix as needed}
Then mount/unmount until your system behaves badly again...
See for formatting options:
https://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-monitor.1.html
7 May
7 May
12:53 a.m.
New subject: message bus - connection refused - WTF? - resolved
On Thursday 28 April 2022 11:38:10 Michael wrote:
On Thursday 28 April 2022 12:57:00 pm deloptes wrote:
Just thought that I ought to tell what I discovered. As usual, the solution is
something much more unimaginative and basic.
Indeed it was merely a problem of lack of power. I was trying to attach 4
different portable USB hard drives to my laptop via an unpowered 4-port USB
hub, and my machine couldn't keep up with the demand as I added more video
files to the last two of the hard drives.
What puzzled me was, they worked just fine for the first four months or so.
Both my Belkin USB hub and the mini hard drives (all are WD easystore)
themselves have very short cords, and when I set up my laptop, I no longer
had anywhere to put the hard drives, and the cords were too short, which
would have left them dangling in space.
So, the culprit: I used an old USB extension cord to attach the 4-port USB hub
to the laptop. The USB extension cord is rather old, and I didn't really give
it a thought; but it's probably 1.0, whereas the laptop has 3.0 ports, the
hub is 3.0, and the hard drives themselves are probably 3.0, too, I believe.
I hope that I can find some newer USB extension cords. I wonder, do they even
make them any more?
Bill
To find out what is going on (next time) use
dbus-monitor
dbus-monitor --system
dbus-monitor --session
If you have an HD that isn't an issue, then you can just dump the output to
a logfile:
dbus-monitor --system > /home/user/logs/dbus-monitor-system.log
{etc., fix as needed}
Then mount/unmount until your system behaves badly again...
See for formatting options:
https://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-monitor.1.html
1:14 a.m.
New subject: message bus - connection refused - WTF? - resolved
On Friday 06 May 2022 08:53:57 pm William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Thursday 28 April 2022 11:38:10 Michael wrote:
So many details were missing.
1. Longer cords mean more power loss
2. Not all USB cord are also power cords (some are data only).
3. Rabbits and Hares, are in the same family but aren't the same.
4. 1.0 UBS cables are not compatible with 3.0.
So, just get a powered up and a usb 3.0 cable but NO longer than 1.5 meters.
After that, there is a sharp decline in power and data speeds and you are very
likely to suffer data loss, disconnections and very possibly damager to the
hard drives do to under powering the motor.
Good luck
Kate
On Thursday 28 April 2022 12:57:00 pm deloptes
wrote:
Just thought that I ought to tell what I discovered. As usual, the solution
is something much more unimaginative and basic.
Indeed it was merely a problem of lack of power. I was trying to attach 4
different portable USB hard drives to my laptop via an unpowered 4-port USB
hub, and my machine couldn't keep up with the demand as I added more video
files to the last two of the hard drives.
What puzzled me was, they worked just fine for the first four months or so.
Both my Belkin USB hub and the mini hard drives (all are WD easystore)
themselves have very short cords, and when I set up my laptop, I no longer
had anywhere to put the hard drives, and the cords were too short, which
would have left them dangling in space.
So, the culprit: I used an old USB extension cord to attach the 4-port USB
hub to the laptop. The USB extension cord is rather old, and I didn't
really give it a thought; but it's probably 1.0, whereas the laptop has 3.0
ports, the hub is 3.0, and the hard drives themselves are probably 3.0,
too, I believe.
I hope that I can find some newer USB extension cords. I wonder, do they
even make them any more?
Bill
____________________________________________________ To find out what is going on (next time) use
dbus-monitor
dbus-monitor --system
dbus-monitor --session
If you have an HD that isn't an issue, then you can just dump the output
to a logfile:
dbus-monitor --system > /home/user/logs/dbus-monitor-system.log
{etc., fix as needed}
Then mount/unmount until your system behaves badly again...
See for formatting options:
https://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-monitor.1.html 
6:59 p.m.
New subject: message bus - connection refused - WTF? - resolved
On Fri, 6 May 2022 17:53:57 -0700
William Morder via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
So, the culprit: I used an old USB extension cord to
attach the 4-port USB hub
to the laptop. The USB extension cord is rather old, and I didn't really give
it a thought; but it's probably 1.0, whereas the laptop has 3.0 ports, the
hub is 3.0, and the hard drives themselves are probably 3.0, too, I believe.
I hope that I can find some newer USB extension cords. I wonder, do they even
make them any more?
Sure—they're all over Amazon. Although if you're going to be abusing the
ports that way, you might want to consider a powered hub, if you can stand
having to deal with Yet Another Power Cord.
E. Liddell
7:20 p.m.
New subject: message bus - connection refused - WTF? - resolved
On Saturday 07 May 2022 11:59:20 E. Liddell wrote:
On Fri, 6 May 2022 17:53:57 -0700
William Morder via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
Simplest thing for me is just to get a new cooling pad, then I will have a new
power cord for that item. I have found that cooling pads definitely extend
the life of a laptop.
Then I can use my powered USB hub as intended, with power cord.
But anyway, I don't normally have them all attached, mounted and running at
the same time. It is just that I have generally had them mounted as I was
tranferring my files from older hard drives taken from my desktop computer.
Now that pretty much everything is transferred and consolidated, I don't need
to keep them running.
Bill
So, the culprit: I used an old USB extension cord
to attach the 4-port
USB hub to the laptop. The USB extension cord is rather old, and I didn't
really give it a thought; but it's probably 1.0, whereas the laptop has
3.0 ports, the hub is 3.0, and the hard drives themselves are probably
3.0, too, I believe.
I hope that I can find some newer USB extension cords. I wonder, do they
even make them any more?
Sure—they're all over Amazon. Although if you're going to be abusing the
ports that way, you might want to consider a powered hub, if you can stand
having to deal with Yet Another Power Cord.
E. Liddell
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