12 Jan
2013
12 Jan
'13
11 p.m.
G'day All,
Is there a Trinity Live CD/DVD with kernel => 3.5 ??
Thanks,
Glen
12 Jan
12 Jan
11:57 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Live CD/DVD With Kernel => 3.5
On 12/01/13 23:00, Glen Cunningham wrote:
G'day All,
Is there a Trinity Live CD/DVD with kernel => 3.5 ??
Thanks,
Glen
Is that a need for some specific hardware?
The (unofficial) ExeGNU Debian Wheezy live image is at 3.0.4
It has a remaster utility if anyone wants to try a rebuild.
(linux-image-3.7 is now in Debian Experimental)
There are other images for pclinuxos and fedora but I don't know what
kernel is used there.
David
13 Jan
13 Jan
12:47 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Live CD/DVD With Kernel => 3.5
Thanks for the quick reply, David.
On Sunday 13 January 2013 10:57:58 David Hare wrote:
On 12/01/13 23:00, Glen Cunningham wrote:
Yes, the oldest kernel that supports
the hardware (specifically the
AMD graphics card) is 3.5.
G'day All,
Is there a Trinity Live CD/DVD with kernel => 3.5 ??
Thanks,
Glen
Is that a need for some specific hardware?
The (unofficial) ExeGNU Debian Wheezy live image is at 3.0.4
Tried that -
won't boot.
It has a remaster utility if anyone wants to try a rebuild.
(linux-image-3.7 is now in Debian Experimental)
I'm not smart enough to do
that. :-( Besides, the latest ExeGNU
live CD won't boot, so the remaster utility cannot run.
There are other images for pclinuxos and fedora but I don't know what
kernel is used there.
Tried all 3 "official" live CDs. None have a
new enough kernel. I
now have a fair selection of current Trinity Live CDs.
The hardware (Samsung 355E5C-A01) is not particularly new (got it
fairly cheaply as an end-of-model-runout) but the AMD hardware did not
get supported properly until kernel 3.5.
So far, the only live CD that boots and installs reliably is Mint-14,
but as a GOF in little-kid mode, I want a TDE desktop.
I've searched the list archives and there are several mentions of
installing Trinity on Mint but none are detailed enough for a GOF.
Glen
1:06 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Live CD/DVD With Kernel => 3.5
Thanks, Alexandre.
On Sunday 13 January 2013 11:40:53 Alexandre Couture wrote:
Downloaded that, will not boot on the AMD hardware. See my earlier
post.
G'day
All,
Is there a Trinity Live CD/DVD with kernel => 3.5 ??
Thanks,
Glen
My PCLOS tde liveCD is at:
3.2.18
and the Fedora 17 tde livecd is at:
3.5.4
Downloaded F17 this AM -- it has kernel 3.4.4-5.fc17.x86_64 which
can be booted into a text-only terminal. No doubt, if I was smart
enough, it could be upgraded to 3.5.4, but without any GUI it is way
beyond my limited capabilities. :-(
Glen
1:11 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Live CD/DVD With Kernel => 3.5
My PCLOS tde
liveCD is at:
3.2.18
Downloaded that, will not boot on the AMD hardware. See my earlier
post.
and the Fedora 17 tde livecd is at:
3.5.4
Downloaded F17 this AM -- it has kernel 3.4.4-5.fc17.x86_64 which
can be booted into a text-only terminal. No doubt, if I was smart
enough, it could be upgraded to 3.5.4, but without any GUI it is way
beyond my limited capabilities. :-(
Glen
1:29 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Live CD/DVD With Kernel => 3.5
On Sunday 13 January 2013 12:11:35 Alexandre Couture wrote:
<snip>
Oops, forgot to mention this detail:
On the Trinity desktop environment website, go in the LiveCDs section
(in the top part of the website), then you'll find the Fedora livecd
with Trinity 3.5.13.1 Thanks!
That is the one that I tried thismorning.
It has kernel 3.4.something and I'm not smart enough to upgrade it to a
newer kernel.
G.
2:09 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Live CD/DVD With Kernel => 3.5
That is the one that I tried thismorning.
It has kernel 3.4.something and I'm not smart enough to upgrade it to a
newer kernel.
G.
I think that it's because you took the 64bit version. The 32 bit version is the one I
have downloaded in November and it has the kernel version I said. I booted it in
VirtualBox to check the version number in the TDE Control Center.
-Alexandre
3:37 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Live CD/DVD With Kernel => 3.5
On Sunday 13 January 2013 13:09:19 Alexandre Couture wrote:
<snip>
I think that it's because you took the 64bit version. The 32 bit
version is the one I have downloaded in November
OK, Alexandre, will download and try the 32-bit one. Takes a couple of
hours on this slow connection. Will post the results.
FWIW. I added the Trinity repositories to the 64-bit Mint install using
the instructions at ...
<http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/UbuntuBinaryInstallation>
but only got the dreaded "404 not found" message when I tried
to "apt-get update" - bugger! Where have the repos gone?
G.
12:42 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Live CD/DVD With Kernel => 3.5
I think that it's because you took the 64bit version. The 32 bit
version is the one I have downloaded in November
OK, Alexandre, will download and try the 32-bit one. Takes a couple of
hours on this slow connection. Will post the results.
FWIW. I added the Trinity repositories to the 64-bit
Mint install using
the instructions at ...
<http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/UbuntuBinaryInstallation>
but only got the dreaded "404 not found" message when I tried
to "apt-get update" - bugger! Where have the repos gone?
G.
I don't know much about debian-derived distros but maybe you should check
again later, maybe the servers were down?
-Alexandre
15 Jan
15 Jan
7:56 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Live CD/DVD With Kernel => 3.5
Dne ne 13. ledna 2013 Glen Cunningham napsal(a):
On Sunday 13 January 2013 13:09:19 Alexandre Couture
wrote:
<snip>
Which distribution you wrote in the apt source?
Slavek
--
I think that it's because you took the 64bit
version. The 32 bit
version is the one I have downloaded in November
OK, Alexandre, will download and try the 32-bit one. Takes a couple of
hours on this slow connection. Will post the results.
FWIW. I added the Trinity repositories to the 64-bit Mint install
using the instructions at ...
<http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/UbuntuBinary
Installation> but only got the dreaded "404 not found" message when I
tried to "apt-get update" - bugger! Where have the repos gone?
G.
9:30 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Live CD/DVD With Kernel => 3.5
G'day Slávek,
On Wednesday 16 January 2013 06:56:35 Slávek Banko wrote:
quantal because that is indicated
in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntu.list for Mint-14
Should I have used "precise"?
Is it possible/advisable to mix precise with quantal?
Perhaps there are not yet trinity repos for qantal?
No big deal. It is just my desire to have a working TDE on the "new"
laptop, but I can wait.
G.
Dne ne 13. ledna 2013 Glen Cunningham napsal(a):
<snip>
> FWIW. I added the Trinity repositories to the
64-bit Mint install
> using the instructions at ...
>
<http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/UbuntuBinaryInstallation>
but only got the dreaded "404 not found" message
when I tried
to "apt-get update" - bugger! Where have the repos
gone? G.
Which distribution you wrote in the apt source?
16 Jan
16 Jan
12:23 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Live CD/DVD With Kernel => 3.5
On Tuesday 15 of January 2013 22:30:03 Glen Cunningham wrote:
G'day Slávek,
On Wednesday 16 January 2013 06:56:35 Slávek Banko wrote:
quantal because that is indicated
in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntu.list for Mint-14
Should I have used "precise"?
Is it possible/advisable to mix precise with quantal?
Perhaps there are not yet trinity repos for qantal?
No big deal. It is just my desire to have a working TDE on the "new"
laptop, but I can wait.
G.
For Quantal is not yet official release in stable branch. You can use apt
source with preliminary packages for 3.5.13.2. See:
https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/axis/+packag…
Slavek
--
Dne ne 13. ledna 2013 Glen Cunningham napsal(a):
<snip>
> FWIW. I added the Trinity repositories to
the 64-bit Mint install
> using the instructions at ...
<http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/UbuntuBinaryInst
allation> but only got the dreaded "404 not found" message
when I
tried to "apt-get update" - bugger! Where have the repos
gone? G.
Which distribution you wrote in the apt source?
1:22 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Live CD/DVD With Kernel => 3.5
On Wednesday 16 January 2013 11:23:26 Slávek Banko wrote:
On Tuesday 15 of January 2013 22:30:03 Glen Cunningham
wrote:
Thanks Slávek.
Excuse my ignorance, but what are the actual exact lines to add to the
sources.list(s) to point to these?
Thanks in antic,
Glen
G'day Slávek,
On Wednesday 16 January 2013 06:56:35 Slávek Banko wrote:
quantal because that is indicated
in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntu.list for Mint-14
Should I have used "precise"?
Is it possible/advisable to mix precise with quantal?
Perhaps there are not yet trinity repos for qantal?
No big deal. It is just my desire to have a working TDE on the
"new" laptop, but I can wait.
G.
For Quantal is not yet official release in stable branch. You can use
apt source with preliminary packages for 3.5.13.2. See:
https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/axis/+
packages?field.series_filter=quantal&start=0&batch=150
Slavek Dne ne 13. ledna 2013 Glen Cunningham napsal(a):
<snip>
> FWIW. I added the Trinity repositories to
the 64-bit Mint
> install using the instructions at ...
<http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/UbuntuBi
naryInst allation> but only got the dreaded "404 not found" message
when I
tried to "apt-get update" - bugger! Where have the
repos gone? G.
Which distribution you wrote in the apt source?
2:43 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Live CD/DVD With Kernel => 3.5
Dne st 16. ledna 2013 Glen Cunningham napsal(a):
On Wednesday 16 January 2013 11:23:26 Slávek Banko
wrote:
Currently, it is for Quantal one source, where is everything:
deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/slavek-banko/axis/ubuntu
quantal main
Slavek
--
On Tuesday 15 of January 2013 22:30:03 Glen
Cunningham wrote:
Thanks Slávek.
Excuse my ignorance, but what are the actual exact lines to add to
the sources.list(s) to point to these?
Thanks in antic,
Glen
G'day Slávek,
On Wednesday 16 January 2013 06:56:35 Slávek Banko wrote:
For Quantal is not yet official release in stable branch. You can use
apt source with preliminary packages for 3.5.13.2. See:
https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/axis/+
packages?field.series_filter=quantal&start=0&batch=150
Slavek Dne ne 13. ledna 2013 Glen Cunningham napsal(a):
<snip>
> FWIW. I added the Trinity repositories to
the 64-bit Mint
> install using the instructions at ...
<http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/UbuntuBi
naryInst allation> but only got the dreaded "404 not found" message
> when I tried to "apt-get update" -
bugger! Where have the
> repos gone? G.
Which distribution you wrote in the apt source?
quantal because that is indicated
in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntu.list for Mint-14
Should I have used "precise"?
Is it possible/advisable to mix precise with quantal?
Perhaps there are not yet trinity repos for qantal?
No big deal. It is just my desire to have a working TDE on the
"new" laptop, but I can wait.
G.
17 Jan
17 Jan
4:43 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Live CD/DVD With Kernel => 3.5
On Thursday 17 January 2013 01:43:49 Slávek Banko wrote:
Dne st 16. ledna 2013 Glen Cunningham napsal(a):
Thanks again, Slávek.
That worked --- just needed to add the "--allow-unauthenticated"
option to apt-get as I could not find a public key.
Now have some new problems but will start a new thread for that.
Glen
On Wednesday 16 January 2013 11:23:26 Slávek
Banko wrote:
Currently, it is for Quantal one source, where is everything:
deb
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/slavek-banko/axis/ubuntu
quantal main On Tuesday 15 of January 2013 22:30:03 Glen
Cunningham wrote:
Thanks Slávek.
Excuse my ignorance, but what are the actual exact lines to add
to the sources.list(s) to point to these?
Thanks in antic,
Glen G'day Slávek,
On Wednesday 16 January 2013 06:56:35 Slávek Banko wrote:
> Dne ne 13. ledna 2013 Glen Cunningham napsal(a):
<snip>
> > FWIW. I added the Trinity repositories to the 64-bit Mint
> > install using the instructions at ...
<http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/Ubun
tuBi naryInst allation> but only got the dreaded "404 not found"
message
> > when I tried to "apt-get update" - bugger! Where have the
> > repos gone? G.
>
> Which distribution you wrote in the apt source?
quantal because that is indicated
in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ubuntu.list for Mint-14
Should I have used "precise"?
Is it possible/advisable to mix precise with quantal?
Perhaps there are not yet trinity repos for qantal?
No big deal. It is just my desire to have a working TDE on the
"new" laptop, but I can wait.
G.
For Quantal is not yet official release in stable branch. You can
use apt source with preliminary packages for 3.5.13.2. See:
https://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/~slavek-banko/+archive/ax
is/+ packages?field.series_filter=quantal&start=0&batch=150
Slavek
Slavek
18 Jan
18 Jan
2:28 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Live CD/DVD With Kernel => 3.5
On Thursday 17 of January 2013 05:43:55 Glen Cunningham wrote:
Thanks again, Slávek.
That worked --- just needed to add the "--allow-unauthenticated"
option to apt-get as I could not find a public key.
Now have some new problems but will start a new thread for that.
Glen
apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net --recv-keys
80479E11
Slavek
--
Slavek
19 Jan
19 Jan
12:03 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Live CD/DVD With Kernel => 3.5
On Friday 18 January 2013 13:28:15 Slávek Banko wrote:
<snip>
apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net
--recv-keys 80479E11
Thanks, Slávek. That fixed everything! G.
21 Jan
21 Jan
11:50 a.m.
New subject: EXE GNU/Linux distrowatch
David Hare's amazing EXE GNU/Linux has made it onto Distrowatch.
Well done David. And yes Trinity gets a mention.
Lets hit this up the rankings.
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=exe
6:06 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] EXE GNU/Linux distrowatch
That is very kuhl, indeed! I will be visiting the EXE GNU/Linux
distrowatch page daily.
Cheers,
Elcaset
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 3:50 AM, Gareth Waite <garfilth(a)gmail.com> wrote:
David Hare's amazing EXE GNU/Linux has made it
onto Distrowatch.
Well done David. And yes Trinity gets a mention.
Lets hit this up the rankings.
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=exe
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24 Jan
3:31 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] EXE GNU/Linux distrowatch
Exe has been around a few years now, since even before TDE officially
supported Debian. It's good to see a little recognition and that there
are a few out there who actually like and use it. I don't know how
Distrowatch got to hear of it and don't do much to promote it anywhere
beyond this mailing list.
It seems still to be the only live build with TDE on an otherwise
straight Debian base.
The intention is to provide both a useful live environment in itself and
a relatively simple installation method .
Exe also aims to be relatively "lightweight" and uses a good balance of
packages while minimising "bloat" (a common criticism of kde3x when it
was mainstream) The TDE "meta" is not used here and careful attention is
given to excess "recommends" packages.
There are however limits to what one person can do. How good it is
depends on others testing and bug-reporting... although so far feedback
has been mostly positive, there doesn't seem a lot wrong with it. In any
case it will continue at least through to Wheezy, the upcoming Debian
stable release.
If Exe helps in turn give TDE some positive publicity, that's also the
intention. Thanks to TDE devs who made Exe possible and those on this
mailing list who helped test it.
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6:59 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] EXE GNU/Linux distrowatch
David,
Thanks for creating & maintaining Exe GNU/Linux. That is a surprise that
that it got on distrowatch without you submitting it. I wonder who did.
Porteus Linux stopped using TDE, & replaced it with razor-qt. So, Exe is
the only distro on distrowatch that uses TDE. Therefore, Exe really is
helping quite a lot to promote TDE.
Compared to modern desktop environments, TDE isn't bloated at all. That's
not meant to be a slap in the face to KDE 4, though. I use KDE 4 on newer
hardware & TDE on older hardware, and love them both.
Cheers,
Elcaset
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 7:31 AM, David Hare <davidahare(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Exe has been around a few years now, since even before
TDE officially
supported Debian. It's good to see a little recognition and that there are
a few out there who actually like and use it. I don't know how Distrowatch
got to hear of it and don't do much to promote it anywhere beyond this
mailing list.
It seems still to be the only live build with TDE on an otherwise straight
Debian base.
The intention is to provide both a useful live environment in itself and a
relatively simple installation method .
Exe also aims to be relatively "lightweight" and uses a good balance of
packages while minimising "bloat" (a common criticism of kde3x when it was
mainstream) The TDE "meta" is not used here and careful attention is given
to excess "recommends" packages.
There are however limits to what one person can do. How good it is depends
on others testing and bug-reporting... although so far feedback has been
mostly positive, there doesn't seem a lot wrong with it. In any case it
will continue at least through to Wheezy, the upcoming Debian stable
release.
If Exe helps in turn give TDE some positive publicity, that's also the
intention. Thanks to TDE devs who made Exe possible and those on this
mailing list who helped test it.
David
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On Thursday 24 of January 2013 19:59:50 C W wrote:
Porteus Linux stopped using TDE, & replaced it
with razor-qt.
So it is very sad information for me. I like to occasionally used Porteus
because of TDE. KDE4 is not for me and RazorQT is incomparable with a
comprehensive desktop environment, such as TDE.
Slavek
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7:43 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] EXE GNU/Linux distrowatch
Am Donnerstag, 24. Januar 2013, 10:59:50 schrieb C W:
I use KDE 4 on newer
hardware & TDE on older hardware, and love them both.
same here :)
in fact, kde4 (> 4.9.4) has now reached a state, where even akonadified kde-pim
is usable (though still sluggish and somewhat unstable).
plus, it has lots of matured apps, like blogilo, digikam etc. and konqueror as
a web browser ist really usable (konqueror from TDE is not).
so, for modern hardware, I now recommend kde4.
on older hardware, however, kde4 is a no-go, while TDE still runs fine.
just use another browser (chromium, e.g.)
Werner
7:55 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] EXE GNU/Linux distrowatch
Am Donnerstag, 24. Januar 2013, 10:59:50 schrieb C W:
While KDE4 has definitely improved, and in fact several components are now
quite usable and sometimes even better than their TDE counterparts, the
overall usability of the KDE workspace still seems suboptimal to me.
I am currently looking into methods of using the improved KDE4 components
to enhance portions of TDE (e.g. Konqueror) while keeping the same
stability and usability we currently have. Stay tuned. :-)
Tim
I use KDE 4 on newer
hardware & TDE on older hardware, and love them both.
same here :)
in fact, kde4 (> 4.9.4) has now reached a state, where even akonadified
kde-pim
is usable (though still sluggish and somewhat unstable).
plus, it has lots of matured apps, like blogilo, digikam etc. and
konqueror as
a web browser ist really usable (konqueror from TDE is not).
so, for modern hardware, I now recommend kde4.
on older hardware, however, kde4 is a no-go, while TDE still runs fine.
just use another browser (chromium, e.g.)
Werner
8:09 p.m.
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Am Donnerstag, 24. Januar 2013, 13:55:57 schrieb Timothy Pearson:
While KDE4 has definitely improved, and in fact
several components are now
quite usable and sometimes even better than their TDE counterparts,
this is a fact that just can't be denied.
the
overall usability of the KDE workspace still seems suboptimal to me.
hm,
I just use it more or less the same way I do with TDE.
never touched the so called activities (which didn't work anyway, once I
tried) nor the intrusive cashew :)
krunner (ALT+F2), a central workspace tool, is great, however.
I am currently looking into methods of using the
improved KDE4 components
to enhance portions of TDE (e.g. Konqueror) while keeping the same
stability and usability we currently have. Stay tuned.
sounds good ;-)
Werner
8:20 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] EXE GNU/Linux distrowatch
On Thursday 24 January 2013 10:55:57 am you wrote:
I am currently looking into methods of using the improved KDE4
components to enhance portions of TDE (e.g. Konqueror) while keeping
the same stability and usability we currently have. Stay tuned. :-)
Tim
This interests me.
Debian Squeeze/TDE3.5.13-2
PDF capability is a primary concern here. Not sure how all the parts
work together but I track ,ghostscript, poppler, and the various apps
that use them.
I never know why a pdf someone sends me can not be opened, so I try to
be as current as possible with pdf and releated software. 'About:kpdf-
based on xpdf 2004-2005,'
Does Okular improve compatability or is it more the underlying
libraries.?
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9:13 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] EXE GNU/Linux distrowatch
I am currently
looking into methods of using the improved KDE4
components to enhance portions of TDE (e.g. Konqueror) while keeping
the same stability and usability we currently have. Stay tuned. :-)
Tim
9:50 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] EXE GNU/Linux distrowatch
I am currently looking into methods of using the
improved KDE4
components to enhance portions of TDE (e.g. Konqueror) while keeping
the same stability and usability we currently have. Stay tuned. :-)
Tim
10:45 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] EXE GNU/Linux distrowatch
<snip>
I do understand your concern. I will not be replacing any TDE component
that is still superior to its KDE counterpart; for a KDE component to be a
candidate for replacement it must:
1.) Provide all the functionality and configurability of its TDE counterpart
2.) Be better than its TDE counterpart in at least one respect
(performance, stability, compatibility with new file formats, etc.)
3.) Not use an appreciably higher amount of CPU or RAM, even in non-GPU
accelerated rendering modes
4.) Not drag in any system services or libraries which violate Point #3
above; this intrinsically excludes the entire KDE PIM suite due to the
bloated indexing services required for operation
The only items that I am aware of that might fit this list of criteria are
kwin, a handful of kcontrol modules, and possibly some smaller KDE
applications such as Okular. kwin is my current focus, and so far seems
to work very well without increasing the memory or CPU footprint. kwin
also satisfies Point #2 above by presenting a much smoother action in high
resolution TDE sessions when compared with twin due to its integrated
compositing engine.
Mozilla has explicitly stated that it will not support embedding Firefox
sessions in any third party application, and has removed all programming
hooks needed for doing so. This leaves TDE with three long-term options:
1.) Use Webkit (preferred)
2.) Investigate embedding a Chromium instance
2.) Completely remove the KHTML kpart (not recommended)
I would prefer to embed a Webkit browser kpart, as I expect website
compatibility with Webkit to increase in the future, and a full-featured
Webkit widget already exists.
Now that some KDE components are finally stabilising and becoming true
replacements for their KDE3 counterparts, we should be attempting to
reintegrate this new and improved technology into TDE where appropriate.
Thoughts are of course welcome on these topics!
Tim
Galeon is an example of non-mozilla browser using Gecko as a core and on the wikipedia
page of gecko, there is a list of other browsers using it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gecko_%28layout_engine%29
There is even a gecko render module for wine that is used for windows programs who needs
web rendering.
I know that they are talking about separating apps from the big kdelibs for kde5 and qt5,
which is already released, and it will probably help a lot, but for now, does using apps
like Okular or kwin involves loading the big kdelibs?
-Alexandre
10:56 p.m.
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I suggest using webkit. It is same, simple, and used all over. I spent
a little bit of time working with it in GTK and it was a pleasure.
There are non-hacky qt libraries to use webkit with, so I think it
is the obvious option.
On 24 January 2013 17:45, Alexandre Couture <ac586133(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
I do understand your concern. I will not be replacing any TDE component
that is still superior to its KDE counterpart; for a KDE component to be a
candidate for replacement it must:
1.) Provide all the functionality and configurability of its TDE
counterpart
2.) Be better than its TDE counterpart in at least one respect
(performance, stability, compatibility with new file formats, etc.)
3.) Not use an appreciably higher amount of CPU or RAM, even in non-GPU
accelerated rendering modes
4.) Not drag in any system services or libraries which violate Point #3
above; this intrinsically excludes the entire KDE PIM suite due to the
bloated indexing services required for operation
The only items that I am aware of that might fit this list of criteria are
kwin, a handful of kcontrol modules, and possibly some smaller KDE
applications such as Okular. kwin is my current focus, and so far seems
to work very well without increasing the memory or CPU footprint. kwin
also satisfies Point #2 above by presenting a much smoother action in high
resolution TDE sessions when compared with twin due to its integrated
compositing engine.
Mozilla has explicitly stated that it will not support embedding Firefox
sessions in any third party application, and has removed all programming
hooks needed for doing so. This leaves TDE with three long-term options:
1.) Use Webkit (preferred)
2.) Investigate embedding a Chromium instance
2.) Completely remove the KHTML kpart (not recommended)
I would prefer to embed a Webkit browser kpart, as I expect website
compatibility with Webkit to increase in the future, and a full-featured
Webkit widget already exists.
Now that some KDE components are finally stabilising and becoming true
replacements for their KDE3 counterparts, we should be attempting to
reintegrate this new and improved technology into TDE where appropriate.
Thoughts are of course welcome on these topics!
Tim
Galeon is an example of non-mozilla browser using Gecko as a core and on the
wikipedia page of gecko, there is a list of other browsers using it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gecko_%28layout_engine%29
There is even a gecko render module for wine that is used for windows
programs who needs web rendering.
I know that they are talking about separating apps from the big kdelibs for
kde5 and qt5, which is already released, and it will probably help a lot,
but for now, does using apps like Okular or kwin involves loading the big
kdelibs?
-Alexandre
10:56 p.m.
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Galeon is an example of non-mozilla browser using
Gecko as a core and on
the wikipedia page of gecko, there is a list of other browsers using it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gecko_%28layout_engine%29
There is even a gecko render module for wine that is used for windows
programs who needs web rendering.
Interesting! I wonder how much work it would be to create a Gecko-based
Web browser widget though.
I know that they are talking about separating apps
from the big kdelibs
for kde5 and qt5, which is already released, and it will probably help a
lot, but for now, does using apps like Okular or kwin involves loading the
big kdelibs?
-Alexandre
kwin is the only application that won't involve loading kdelibs5, and as
that support is not yet in kwin I can't officially switch to kwin instead
of twin at this time. However, AFAIK work is underway to make an
independent version of kwin that does not rely on KDE's libraries,
therefore we should be looking at what will be needed to make the switch
once that version is available.
The dependency on kdelibs5 means most pure KDE applications and components
are essentially off limits to TDE, however as a result of the KDE4
transition many applications now only depend on Qt4, or offer a version
that does not depend on KDE. As a result we will only need to be
concerned with Qt4 library overhead for most components, which should be
minimal.
Tim
25 Jan
25 Jan
7:31 a.m.
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However, AFAIK work is underway to make an
independent version of kwin that does not rely on KDE's libraries,
therefore we should be looking at what will be needed to make the switch
once that version is available.
Who guarantees that kdelibs5 will not be pulled in again later?
Nik
4:10 p.m.
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However, AFAIK
work is underway to make an
independent version of kwin that does not rely on KDE's libraries,
therefore we should be looking at what will be needed to make the switch
once that version is available.
Who guarantees that kdelibs5 will not be pulled in again later?
Nik 
1 Feb
1 Feb
10:41 p.m.
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Timothy Pearson wrote:
The dependency on kdelibs5 means most pure KDE
applications and components
are essentially off limits to TDE, however as a result of the KDE4
transition many applications now only depend on Qt4, or offer a version
that does not depend on KDE. As a result we will only need to be
concerned with Qt4 library overhead for most components, which should be
minimal.
Do you really think kdelibs5 is a fully off limits? I tried to see if I
could get the early KDE4 version of Kicker to run on KDE 4.9 and it
turned out to work quite ok and not too slow once I had it mostly working.
I could imagine some kind of migration path where applications would
migrate one by one from tdelibs to kdelibs5 in the future.
Julius
25 Jan
25 Jan
3:28 a.m.
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On 2013-01-24 15:50 (GMT-0600) Timothy Pearson composed:
Mozilla has explicitly stated that it will not support
embedding Firefox
sessions in any third party application, and has removed all programming
hooks needed for doing so.
So Camino is no more?
This leaves TDE with three long-term options:
1.) Use Webkit (preferred)
2.) Investigate embedding a Chromium instance
2.) Completely remove the KHTML kpart (not recommended)
I would prefer to embed a Webkit browser kpart, as I
expect website
compatibility with Webkit to increase in the future, and a full-featured
Webkit widget already exists.
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/dpi1920x1200x144-gecko-konq3-chromium-konq4.png
demonstrates that there is a cost to users of high density displays when
Webkit is used to display web content. What cannot be seen in the screenshot
is that Chromium's behavior matches IE, Opera and Safari, which is that
physical units don't actually exist except when physical display density is
in fact 96 DPI. Gecko also matches that fixed 3:4 pt:px ratio, but provides a
workaround through the proprietary mozmm unit that is unnecessary for KHTML
to display physical units at their actual size whenever desktop DPI matches
physical display DPI.
I vote stick to KHTML.
URL to test for yourself: http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/dpi-screen-window.html
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5:40 a.m.
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On 2013-01-24 15:50 (GMT-0600) Timothy Pearson
composed:
I don't know, sorry. :-) When I looked into this many months ago the
interface to the Firefox core was being deprecated and removed, and I have
heard no information to the contrary since.
Mozilla has explicitly stated that it will not
support embedding Firefox
sessions in any third party application, and has removed all programming
hooks needed for doing so.
So Camino is no more? This leaves
TDE with three long-term options:
1.) Use Webkit (preferred)
2.) Investigate embedding a Chromium instance
2.) Completely remove the KHTML kpart (not recommended)
I would prefer to embed a Webkit browser kpart,
as I expect website
compatibility with Webkit to increase in the future, and a full-featured
Webkit widget already exists.
http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/dpi1920x1200x144-gecko-konq3-chromium-konq4.png
demonstrates that there is a cost to users of high density displays when
Webkit is used to display web content. What cannot be seen in the
screenshot
is that Chromium's behavior matches IE, Opera and Safari, which is that
physical units don't actually exist except when physical display density
is
in fact 96 DPI. Gecko also matches that fixed 3:4 pt:px ratio, but
provides a
workaround through the proprietary mozmm unit that is unnecessary for
KHTML
to display physical units at their actual size whenever desktop DPI
matches
physical display DPI.
I vote stick to KHTML.
URL to test for yourself: http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/dpi-screen-window.html
12:20 p.m.
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To everyone on this list, how does the KDE4 version of
KHTML compare with
WebKit? Better or worse compatibility with most websites? If KHTML is
pretty much the same as WebKit as far as CPU/RAM usage and website
compatibility, the easiest solution would be to integrate KHTML as a
kioslave in very much the same way as the old version of KHTML works now
in TDE...
Thanks!
Tim
The KHTML version in kde4 is not much more evolved than the one in tde. It has many
problems with big websites such as facebook. This is one of the things that surprised me
the most of kde4: khtml hasn't improved to the point of being comparable with the
other modern browsers.
Many times you click on what is a button in other browsers and it does nothing, this is on
PCLOS 2012 with kde 4.8
Webkit has better compatibility but it is quite slow.
I have seen somewhere that in Konqueror from kde4, you can choose between webkit (from
qt4) and the internal khtml. Webkit should use less cpu because it doesn't stall on
every javascript as the older khtml.
-Alexandre
12:33 p.m.
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Webkit has better compatibility but it is quite slow.
Did you just randomly come up with this idea? As far as I can tell
Webkit is like usual, neck in neck with chrome and firefox for
rendering and JS performance test.
Calvin
9:44 p.m.
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Webkit has
better compatibility but it is quite slow.
Did you just randomly come up with this idea? As far as I can tell
Webkit is like usual, neck in neck with chrome and firefox for
rendering and JS performance test.
Calvin
7:36 p.m.
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Am Donnerstag, 24. Januar 2013, 23:40:33 schrieb Timothy Pearson:
To everyone on this list, how does the KDE4 version of
KHTML compare with
WebKit? Better or worse compatibility with most websites? If KHTML is
pretty much the same as WebKit as far as CPU/RAM usage and website
compatibility, the easiest solution would be to integrate KHTML as a
kioslave in very much the same way as the old version of KHTML works now
in TDE...
I use konqueror currently with the webkit kpart rendering enabeled - this does
usually work reasonably well on sites where the khtml part has problems.
sometimes, khtml is better, though.
switching rendering engine is a breeze, once figured out, how to do it :)
can't say anything about ram/cpu-usage.
Werner
27 Jan
27 Jan
11:20 a.m.
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On 2013-01-24 23:40 (GMT-0600) Timothy Pearson composed:
>> Mozilla has explicitly stated that it will not
support embedding Firefox
>> sessions in any third party application, and has removed all programming
>> hooks needed for doing so.
> So Camino is no more?
Its last release was close to a year ago, but.....
I don't know, sorry. :-) When I looked into this
many months ago the
interface to the Firefox core was being deprecated and removed, and I have
heard no information to the contrary since.
SeaMonkey isn't Firefox, yet it uses the same Necko and Gecko as the latest
Firefox, and gets released concurrently with each FF version bump. Whether or
not SM includes Firefox in its UA string is optional. So it seems there must
be a way if there's enough will.
To everyone on this list, how does the KDE4 version of
KHTML compare with
WebKit? Better or worse compatibility with most websites? If KHTML is
pretty much the same as WebKit as far as CPU/RAM usage and website
compatibility, the easiest solution would be to integrate KHTML as a
kioslave in very much the same way as the old version of KHTML works now
in TDE...
Since WebKit was started as a fork of KHTML by Apple, it seems the KDE
developers must be backporting WebKit changes into KHTML in a cherry picking
fashion, that is to say, leaving out parts that cause display density to be
ignored, and whatever forces the 3:4 pt/px ratio. As "works" example, you can
see in the screenshot that current KHTML includes web font support, and
nominal rendering difference between Konq 4 and latest FF.
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28 Jan
28 Jan
1:21 a.m.
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Hi everyone!
I have found some infos about what has been a prototype of a Kpart Gecko web render. It
seems to be named ''kecko'' at some places.
These links are of about 2004-2005:
If something could be done with it, here they are:
http://dot.kde.org/2004/09/11/akademy-hackers-port-mozilla-qtkde
http://osdir.com/ml/kde.redhat.user/2005-04/msg00118.html
http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=5263
http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2004/10/msg00217.html
Some other infos about WebKit:
http://www.osnews.com/story/21765/_QtWebKit_KPart_Is_Not_the_Answer_for_Kon…
Have a nice day!
-Alexandre
25 Jan
25 Jan
4:06 p.m.
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Hi Timothy
The only items that I am aware of that might fit this
list of criteria are
kwin, a handful of kcontrol modules, and possibly some smaller KDE
applications such as Okular. kwin is my current focus, and so far seems
to work very well without increasing the memory or CPU footprint. kwin
also satisfies Point #2 above by presenting a much smoother action in high
resolution TDE sessions when compared with twin due to its integrated
compositing engine.
But kwin has much trouble with multi screen systems. It can't scale images
across two or more monitors and has a bugs in calculating the window size -
i.e. minimize and maximize a windows shows holes in the window borders.
Hope, that multi screen will be tested exentsive than the bugs in KDE4 in this
area stops me using it.
Fine regards
Rolf
5:25 p.m.
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Hi Timothy
Interesting! Martin, do you know if these bugs are still present in kwin?
For what it's worth, twin will not be replaced in the R14.0 cycle, but
kwin should be available as an unsupported option for R14.0 so that we
have time to find and fix problems such as the one you described above.
Also, I use multiple monitors on a daily basis, and have a older triple
head setup specifically for testing unusual configurations, so this issue
would have shown itself very quickly once kwin testing progressed to that
point. ;-)
Tim
The only items that I am aware of that might fit
this list of criteria
are
kwin, a handful of kcontrol modules, and possibly some smaller KDE
applications such as Okular. kwin is my current focus, and so far seems
to work very well without increasing the memory or CPU footprint. kwin
also satisfies Point #2 above by presenting a much smoother action in
high
resolution TDE sessions when compared with twin due to its integrated
compositing engine.
But kwin has much trouble with multi screen systems. It can't scale images
across two or more monitors and has a bugs in calculating the window size
-
i.e. minimize and maximize a windows shows holes in the window borders.
Hope, that multi screen will be tested exentsive than the bugs in KDE4 in
this
area stops me using it.
Fine regards
Rolf
24 Jan
24 Jan
7:57 p.m.
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2013, Werner Joss wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 24. Januar 2013, 10:59:50 schrieb C W:
I don't know enough about kde4 to judge the maturity of its apps (and
I turn off akonadi as soon as I install so that's moot for me) but I
have noticed that a couple of times I haven't noticed I was running
kde4 (say on netrunner). (you can notice not noticing, after the
fact.)
it still takes some wrestling to simplify the interface to what I like
whereas tde3 looks like what I want almost out of the box, I just have
to remove bits of eye-candy like 'scenic' backgrounds and adjust
fonts, etc.
(it's weird, the 'desktop' metaphor; normally one's real desktop is
out of sight; one doesn't decorate it. (or does one?))
can someone explain in very brief terms what the use of 'plasmoids'
is?
F.
--
Felmon Davis
The only things that come out of meetings, are people.
I use KDE 4 on newer
hardware & TDE on older hardware, and love them both.
same here :)
in fact, kde4 (> 4.9.4) has now reached a state, where even akonadified kde-pim
is usable (though still sluggish and somewhat unstable).
plus, it has lots of matured apps, like blogilo, digikam etc. and konqueror as
a web browser ist really usable (konqueror from TDE is not).
so, for modern hardware, I now recommend kde4.
on older hardware, however, kde4 is a no-go, while TDE still runs fine.
just use another browser (chromium, e.g.)
Werner
8:04 p.m.
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<snip>
can someone explain in very brief terms what the use
of 'plasmoids'
is?
AFAIK if you remember SuperKaramba, Plasmoids are pretty much the same
concept with a completely different implementation.
Any KDE4 users, please correct me if I am wrong. :-)
Tim
8:09 p.m.
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2013, Timothy Pearson wrote:
<snip>
I bet you are right but I have no idea what 'superkaramba' is. don't
want to clog the list so I can just look up 'plasmoid'; I was just
hoping for a quick fix for my ignorance. got what I deserved, I guess.
F.
--
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Stult's Report:
Our problems are mostly behind us. What we have to do now is
fight the solutions.
can someone explain in very brief terms what the
use of 'plasmoids'
is?
AFAIK if you remember SuperKaramba, Plasmoids are pretty much the same
concept with a completely different implementation.
Any KDE4 users, please correct me if I am wrong. :-)
Tim
8:14 p.m.
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Am Donnerstag, 24. Januar 2013, 14:04:01 schrieb Timothy Pearson:
<snip>
hm, plasmoids, well...
they are just litte apps which live in the system tray, like the so called
mini-applications (kicker-applets) from kde 3.x/TDE.
they seem to be easier to develop than full-fledged c++ programs due to the use
of QML/javascript as their base.
Werner
can someone explain in very brief terms what the
use of 'plasmoids'
is?
AFAIK if you remember SuperKaramba, Plasmoids are pretty much the same
concept with a completely different implementation.
Any KDE4 users, please correct me if I am wrong. :-)
9:25 p.m.
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2013, Werner Joss wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 24. Januar 2013, 14:04:01 schrieb
Timothy Pearson:
ok, I'll have to boot up my kde4 (or reinstall it); I didn't at the
time have a sense that the plasmoids were tied to a 'system-tray' (I
take your word for this!) or maybe I'm confusing them with
'activities'.
thanks.
F.
--
Felmon Davis
<snip>
hm, plasmoids, well...
they are just litte apps which live in the system tray, like the so called
mini-applications (kicker-applets) from kde 3.x/TDE.
they seem to be easier to develop than full-fledged c++ programs due to the use
of QML/javascript as their base.
Werner can someone explain in very brief terms what the
use of 'plasmoids'
is?
AFAIK if you remember SuperKaramba, Plasmoids are pretty much the same
concept with a completely different implementation.
Any KDE4 users, please correct me if I am wrong. :-) 
28 Jan
28 Jan
8:52 a.m.
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On 24 Jan 2013, Felmon Davis told this:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013, Werner Joss wrote:
That would be because they're not tied to a system tray. They can (and
do) live on the desktop background, too. (Where, uh, they are normally
covered by other windows...)
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hm, plasmoids, well...
they are just litte apps which live in the system tray, like the so called
mini-applications (kicker-applets) from kde 3.x/TDE.
they seem to be easier to develop than full-fledged c++ programs due to the use
of QML/javascript as their base.
Werner
ok, I'll have to boot up my kde4 (or reinstall it); I didn't at the time have a
sense that the plasmoids were tied to a
system-tray' (I take your word for this!) or maybe I'm confusing them with
'activities'.
5:02 p.m.
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On Mon, 28 Jan 2013, Nix wrote:
On 24 Jan 2013, Felmon Davis told this:
I see. well, I seldom look at my desktop so I guess this isn't for me
anyway.
F.
--
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Q: What do you call a boomerang that doesn't come back?
A: A stick.
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013, Werner Joss wrote:
That would be because they're not tied to a system tray. They can (and
do) live on the desktop background, too. (Where, uh, they are normally
covered by other windows...) hm, plasmoids, well...
they are just litte apps which live in the system tray, like the so called
mini-applications (kicker-applets) from kde 3.x/TDE.
they seem to be easier to develop than full-fledged c++ programs due to the use
of QML/javascript as their base.
Werner
ok, I'll have to boot up my kde4 (or reinstall it); I didn't at the time have a
sense that the plasmoids were tied to a
system-tray' (I take your word for this!) or maybe I'm confusing them with
'activities'.
24 Jan
24 Jan
8:11 p.m.
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I keep hoping that rekonq will become much more stable, or that konqueror
will work with yahoo web mail, but it's been years, & that still hasn't
happened. So, I'm happy to use Firefox until KDE & TDE can get a KDE web
browser to work well.
Overall, I'm very happy with KDE & TDE, though.
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Werner Joss
<werner(a)hoernerfranzracing.de>wrote;wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 24. Januar 2013, 10:59:50 schrieb C W:
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I use KDE 4 on newer
hardware & TDE on older hardware, and love them both.
same here :)
in fact, kde4 (> 4.9.4) has now reached a state, where even akonadified
kde-pim
is usable (though still sluggish and somewhat unstable).
plus, it has lots of matured apps, like blogilo, digikam etc. and
konqueror as
a web browser ist really usable (konqueror from TDE is not).
so, for modern hardware, I now recommend kde4.
on older hardware, however, kde4 is a no-go, while TDE still runs fine.
just use another browser (chromium, e.g.)
Werner
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On 01/21/2013 03:50 AM, Gareth Waite wrote:
Thought I'd send the link around again so everyone can hit the page and keep
Distrowatch's page rank up. :)
David, I see you've posted a couple newer Wheezy ISOs, 25-Jan-2013 and
30-Jan-2013. Are these different enough from the 10-Jan-2013 ISO to warrant
a download?
In the last few days I've installed the 10 Jan ISO on an HP laptop and a
Gateway netbook with excellent results on both. The netbook was quite
sluggish with Windows XP but is almost snappy with Exe.
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On 05/02/13 15:02, Dan Youngquist wrote:
On 01/21/2013 03:50 AM, Gareth Waite wrote:
Thought I'd send the link around again so everyone can hit the page and keep
Distrowatch's page rank up. :)
David, I see you've posted a couple newer Wheezy ISOs, 25-Jan-2013 and
30-Jan-2013. Are these different enough from the 10-Jan-2013 ISO to warrant
a download?
In the last few days I've installed the 10 Jan ISO on an HP laptop and a
Gateway netbook with excellent results on both. The netbook was quite
sluggish with Windows XP but is almost snappy with Exe.
Exe is getting updated fairly often now, as wheezy gets closer. Maybe
every couple of weeks or sooner if new stuff is added or a bug is found.
Newer images will have all updated Debian packages and TDE from Slavek's
repo of the marked date.
I meant to post this but got busy recently. More updates soon.
Apart from updates to existing stuff the latest addition is
gtk-youtube-viewer (YouTube with no browser, no flash) and
installer/snapshot improvements. A (minimal) XFCE has replaced LXDE as
alternative desktop. Some language support improvements, more to do.
Loaded a few netbooks with Exe recently, I'm not surprised Debian+TDE
beats XP for performance!
No need to reinstall, just do regular dist-upgrades till it's all
officially "stable"
Newer "unofficial" packages can be found at http://exegnulinux.net/apt/
That repo is actually preconfigured in /etc/apt/sources.list.d but only
Debian and TDE official repos are enabled by default
David
13 Jan
13 Jan
7:15 a.m.
New subject: trinity on pclinux: couple of minor issues.
greets!
I just installed tde-pclinux on a netbook and I am quite impressed!
for one thing, I've been having trouble getting the mic on skype to
work on various installs on this netbook (Aspire ONe 725-0802). I did
get it to go in two or so versions of tde after significant struggle,
in some others, not yet. but it works fine in netrunner and now I
discover no problem with tde-pclinux!
there are other goodies here but a couple of questions:
(a) the main one is the windows and panel don't seem to have borders.
I'm using kde-classic; how can I have distinct borders?
(b) secondarily, there is a lot of software here, which is cool but I
want to remove a lot of it. specifically, is there a way to remove all
the games and edutainment all at once?
(c) I'm basically an apt-get person, long while since I've rpm-ed;
evidently one can use apt-get which I would like to stick to using.
any concerns here in the long run? should I go back to rpm?
F.
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12:35 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] trinity on pclinux: couple of minor issues.
I just installed tde-pclinux on a netbook and I am
quite impressed!
Thank you very much!
for one thing, I've been having trouble getting
the mic on skype to
work on various installs on this netbook (Aspire ONe 725-0802). I did
get it to go in two or so versions of tde after significant struggle,
in some others, not yet. but it works fine in netrunner and now I
discover no problem with tde-pclinux!
there are other goodies here but a couple of questions:
(a) the main one is the windows and panel don't seem to have borders.
I'm using kde-classic; how can I have distinct borders?
I think that the problem is just the color scheme I used to make the windows
borders the same color as the grey of the
windows, to give a more kde-like theme. Changing the color theme in the TDE control center
should give the result you wants.
(b) secondarily, there is a lot of software here,
which is cool but I
want to remove a lot of it. specifically, is there a way to remove all
the games and edutainment all at once?
Go in Synaptic, (the 5th icon from the right on the panel, if I know how to
count...), wait forever for Synaptic to load its
packages lists, click on any package in the list and type trinity. All the TDE packages
starts by trinity and you can remove the ones you don't want. Right-click on a package
you don't want and click on remove. For some reasons, some packages that looks like
they shouldn't have dependencies on all TDE.
Also, one thing to note is that these games and edutainment packages doesn't take that
much disk space. I know that that it all adds up to make something bigger, but it might be
kept without loosing that much disk space, especially on a regular HDD.
(c) I'm basically an apt-get person, long while
since I've rpm-ed;
evidently one can use apt-get which I would like to stick to using.
any concerns here in the long run? should I go back to rpm?
PCLinuxOS uses apt-get and Synaptic, with back-ends for RPMs. I personally prefer
to use Synaptic, because it's a graphic tool, but if you follow the instructions given
in the web page that appeared when you booted your PCLinuxOS system for the first time, it
will be okay to use apt-get in text mode.
If you want to look back at this file, go in the ''Trinity TDE'' folder in
your ''home'' folder and in the ''First boot'' folder,
you'll find the instructions. Here is what concerns using apt-get in text-mode on
PCLOS:
''DO NOT USE apt-get update and apt-get upgrade from the command line. This has
never been the recommended way. If you insist on using command line, the correct procedure
is apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade.
''
F.
Have fun with my PCLinuxOS non-official TDE remaster!
-Alexandre
6:20 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] trinity on pclinux: couple of minor issues.
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013, Alexandre Couture wrote:
it's very good but I seem to be encountering some problems. first I'll
respond quickly to your comments but then post separately on an issue
I have which is much more important.
I can't find a way to get borders but I'll try again later. the color
theme trick doesn't seem to work but I may simply be missing
something.
too late now! I did an 'apt-get upgrade'. may be connected to my
problems.
I just
installed tde-pclinux on a netbook and I am quite impressed!
Thank you very much!
[...] there are
other goodies here but a couple of questions:
(a) the main one is the windows and panel don't seem to have borders.
I'm using kde-classic; how can I have distinct borders?
I think that the problem is just the color scheme I used to make the
windows borders the same color as the grey of the windows, to give a
more kde-like theme. Changing the color theme in the TDE control
center should give the result you wants. [...]
thanks for advice on synaptic and games.
Also, one thing to note is that these games and
edutainment packages
doesn't take that much disk space. I know that that it all adds up
to make something bigger, but it might be kept without loosing that
much disk space, especially on a regular HDD.
alright but I'd rather remove the stuff. I can remove the tabs on the
menu when I get the time.
(c) I'm
basically an apt-get person, long while since I've rpm-ed;
evidently one can use apt-get which I would like to stick to using.
any concerns here in the long run? should I go back to rpm?
PCLinuxOS uses apt-get and Synaptic, with back-ends for RPMs. I
personally prefer to use Synaptic, because it's a graphic tool, but
if you follow the instructions given in the web page that appeared
when you booted your PCLinuxOS system for the first time, it will be
okay to use apt-get in text mode. If you want to look back at this
file, go in the ''Trinity TDE'' folder in your ''home''
folder and
in the ''First boot'' folder, you'll find the instructions. Here is
what concerns using apt-get in text-mode on PCLOS: ''DO NOT USE
apt-get update and apt-get upgrade from the command line. This has
never been the recommended way. If you insist on using command line,
the correct procedure is apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade. '' Have fun with my PCLinuxOS non-official TDE remaster!
-Alexandre
thank you for your labors and your advice!
I am encountering some issues so I'll see how far I can get.
F.
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6:25 p.m.
New subject: tde on pclinux: kcmshell signall 11
greetings!
I've got Alexander Couture's tde port to pclinux on an Acer Aspire One
725-0802 and am encountering a couple of issues.
when I try to change the resolution from 1024x768 to 1280x720, I get a
"kcmshell signall 11" error. the resolution does change but does not
survive a boot.
this netbook has several other distros all happy with this resolution.
any thoughts?
F.
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it.
6:46 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] tde on pclinux: kcmshell signall 11
I've got Alexander Couture's tde port to
pclinux on an Acer Aspire One
725-0802 and am encountering a couple of issues.
when I try to change the resolution from 1024x768 to 1280x720, I get a
"kcmshell signall 11" error. the resolution does change but does not
survive a boot.
this netbook has several other distros all happy with this resolution.
any thoughts?
F.
Hi!
On PCLinuxOS, the main place to go to change the display resolution is in the PCLOS
Control Center (right beside the Synaptic icon on the taskbar). In the Hardware section,
click on ''Configure video card''
I don't know exactly why, but it doesn't always work as it should when it is made
at other places...
Have fun with my remaster!
-Alexandre
7:38 p.m.
New subject: [SOLVED] RE: [trinity-users] tde on pclinux: kcmshell signall 11
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013, Alexandre Couture wrote:
ah, I should have thought of that! that does do the change without
error; I haven't tried to reboot.
I have some other problems to post.
F.
I've got Alexander Couture's tde port to
pclinux on an Acer Aspire One
725-0802 and am encountering a couple of issues.
when I try to change the resolution from 1024x768 to 1280x720, I get a
"kcmshell signall 11" error. the resolution does change but does not
survive a boot.
this netbook has several other distros all happy with this resolution.
any thoughts?
F.
Hi! On PCLinuxOS, the main place to go to change the display
resolution is in the PCLOS Control Center (right beside the Synaptic
icon on the taskbar). In the Hardware section, click on ''Configure
video card'' I don't know exactly why, but it doesn't always work as
it should when it is made at other places...
Have fun with my remaster!
-Alexandre
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Felmon Davis
perfect guest:
One who makes his host feel at home.
6:46 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] tde on pclinux: kcmshell signall 11
On Sunday 13 of January 2013 19:25:03 Felmon Davis wrote:
greetings!
I've got Alexander Couture's tde port to pclinux on an Acer Aspire One
725-0802 and am encountering a couple of issues.
when I try to change the resolution from 1024x768 to 1280x720, I get a
"kcmshell signall 11" error. the resolution does change but does not
survive a boot.
this netbook has several other distros all happy with this resolution.
any thoughts?
F.
I think it might be related to error 1334, which is already fixed for the
upcoming R14 and 3.5.13.2.
Slavek
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