12 Nov
2020
12 Nov
'20
7:31 p.m.
In addition to my previous question re startup sounds not sounding all
the time, I have a question regarding Bluetooth.
I am able to use the Bluetooth Manager to connect a pair of
headphones and can hear audio through BT, it sounds excellent. The one
thing I can't get working is the microphone that is built into BT
headphones. I know they are primarily designed for phone calls via a
smartphone, but is it possible to use the BT headphone microphone
through the PC, for example, if you were having an online
Zoom/Skype/Jitsi meeting? The local Linux group has been having virtual
meetings every month and although my Logitech headphones with
microphone boom (USB-connected) work perfectly, I would like to try
wireless/Bluetooth - if it's even possible. I attempted this with the
previous distro (Fedora) and was not successful.
Thanks again.
12 Nov
12 Nov
8:05 p.m.
May have answered my own question. There is a second BT profile named
HSP/HFP (Headset Head Unit). Says it's unavailable.
8:51 p.m.
Edward via tde-users wrote:
May have answered my own question. There is a second
BT profile named
HSP/HFP (Headset Head Unit). Says it's unavailable.
if you want to try my work there is tdebluez in the repo waiting to go into
mainline.
if profile is available (it means you have the software installed) it would
show up.
The HFP/HSP comes with ofono if I am not completely wrong.
I even came so far to use the phone remotely from the PC (using dbus direct
calls for now - no time to write UI). Unfortunately there seems to be an
issue somewhere down the pipe because PA crashes often when call is
finished and in term kmix goes crazy 100% cpu.
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9:06 p.m.
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 21:51:22 +0100
deloptes via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
Edward via tde-users wrote:
The USB Bluetooth piece, has a Broadcom chip inside it, that I
discovered hadn't worked properly with Linux at some point in the past.
The USB piece is Bluetooth 4.0, but the headphones (Sentry BT300), I
don't believe are 4.0. Curious as of any headphones must be (more or
less) recent and high-end for the mic to work.
I have the PCLinuxOS TDE Mini image installed and although ofono is in
their repo, it is not currently installed.
I'll install ofono and see what occurs.
May have answered my own question. There is a
second BT profile
named HSP/HFP (Headset Head Unit). Says it's unavailable.
if you want to try my work there is tdebluez in the repo waiting to
go into mainline.
if profile is available (it means you have the software installed) it
would show up.
The HFP/HSP comes with ofono if I am not completely wrong.
I even came so far to use the phone remotely from the PC (using dbus
direct calls for now - no time to write UI). Unfortunately there
seems to be an issue somewhere down the pipe because PA crashes often
when call is finished and in term kmix goes crazy 100% cpu.
9:11 p.m.
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 16:06:10 -0500
Edward via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
I have the PCLinuxOS TDE Mini image installed and
although ofono is in
their repo, it is not currently installed.
I'll install ofono and see what occurs.
The Bluetooth Manager now shows the HFP/HSP profile as being
available, but once selected, it displays "Failed to change profile to
headset_head_unit."
9:22 p.m.
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 16:11:50 -0500
Edward via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 16:06:10 -0500
Edward via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
https://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/Bluetoo…
Looks like it must be set up as a modem. I'll remove ofono and leave it
as it is.
I have the PCLinuxOS TDE Mini image installed and
although ofono is
in their repo, it is not currently installed.
I'll install ofono and see what occurs.
The Bluetooth Manager now shows the HFP/HSP profile as being
available, but once selected, it displays "Failed to change profile to
headset_head_unit."
9:40 p.m.
Success.
I reinstalled ofono and rebooted the system. With a different set of
headphones (Inland # 87099), the microphone worked at
https://mictests.com and https://onlinemictest.com and when going back
to YouTube, I am getting the audio from that, however the sound is not
as powerful, almost monaural (not really full stereo). But at least it
works now.
I will try this with the Sentry headphones, once its battery recharges.
Thanks for the assist.
11:30 p.m.
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 16:40:12 -0500
Edward via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
I will try this with the Sentry headphones, once its
battery
recharges.
I tried this with three different models of Sentry Bluetooth
headphones and none of them would switch to the HFP/HSP profile. Only
the Inland headphones would.
13 Nov
13 Nov
2 a.m.
On Thursday 12 November 2020, Edward via tde-users wrote:
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 21:51:22 +0100
deloptes via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
Dear Human,
Do you have blueman-manager installed and PulseAudio System Tray.
If not, install them.
1. Connect your headset, as such.
2. Launch PulseAudio System Tray
3. Click on the little grey speaker and click volume control.
4. Go to configuration,
5. Go to your device, for example mine is Insignia NS etc etc.
It's likely you will find a choice between hi fedelity playback and headset
head unit HFP/HSP. Choose the headset.
6. To test, launch Audacity and start recording.
7. Send me lots 0 chocolate.
Let me know if this works for you.
Kate
Edward via tde-users wrote:
The USB Bluetooth piece, has a Broadcom chip inside it, that I
discovered hadn't worked properly with Linux at some point in the past.
The USB piece is Bluetooth 4.0, but the headphones (Sentry BT300), I
don't believe are 4.0. Curious as of any headphones must be (more or
less) recent and high-end for the mic to work.
I have the PCLinuxOS TDE Mini image installed and although ofono is in
their repo, it is not currently installed.
I'll install ofono and see what occurs.
____________________________________________________ May have answered my own question. There is a
second BT profile
named HSP/HFP (Headset Head Unit). Says it's unavailable.
if you want to try my work there is tdebluez in the repo waiting to
go into mainline.
if profile is available (it means you have the software installed) it
would show up.
The HFP/HSP comes with ofono if I am not completely wrong.
I even came so far to use the phone remotely from the PC (using dbus
direct calls for now - no time to write UI). Unfortunately there
seems to be an issue somewhere down the pipe because PA crashes often
when call is finished and in term kmix goes crazy 100% cpu.
1:53 p.m.
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 21:00:06 -0500
"BorgLabs - Kate Draven" <borglabs4(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Human,
Do you have blueman-manager installed and PulseAudio System Tray.
If not, install them.
1. Connect your headset, as such.
2. Launch PulseAudio System Tray
3. Click on the little grey speaker and click volume control.
4. Go to configuration,
5. Go to your device, for example mine is Insignia NS etc etc.
It's likely you will find a choice between hi fedelity
playback and headset head unit HFP/HSP. Choose the headset.
6. To test, launch Audacity and start recording.
7. Send me lots 0 chocolate.
Let me know if this works for you.
Kate
blueman-manager is installed. The system tray has Kmix in it.
HSP/HFP is accessible with certain headphones, once the ofono package
is installed and after a system reboot. Although the microphone works,
the audio is somewhat subdued. After testing several Bluetooth headsets,
I have two that will work.
7:52 p.m.
Edward via tde-users wrote:
I tried this with three different models of Sentry
Bluetooth
headphones and none of them would switch to the HFP/HSP profile. Only
the Inland headphones would.
try to pair them again - better use bluetoothctl
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7:55 p.m.
Edward via tde-users wrote:
blueman-manager is installed. The system tray has Kmix
in it.
HSP/HFP is accessible with certain headphones, once the ofono package
is installed and after a system reboot. Although the microphone works,
the audio is somewhat subdued. After testing several Bluetooth headsets,
I have two that will work.
The audio can be configured in pavucontrol, because the devices are created
on the fly and kmix still can not work like this.
in PA control when connected you check under Configuration how the device is
set. My phone showed very often as OFF. I had to manually set the type
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8:57 p.m.
On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 20:52:29 +0100
deloptes via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
Edward via tde-users wrote:
I have Bluetooth Manager (blueman) installed, with ofono for HFP/HSP.
My thought was that the electronics in the Sentry models perhaps did not
support HFP/HSP.
I subsequently tested an older LG Tone and found that also works with
HFP/HSP.
I tried this with three different models of
Sentry Bluetooth
headphones and none of them would switch to the HFP/HSP profile.
Only the Inland headphones would.
try to pair them again - better use bluetoothctl
11:21 p.m.
Edward via tde-users wrote:
I have Bluetooth Manager (blueman) installed, with
ofono for HFP/HSP.
My thought was that the electronics in the Sentry models perhaps did not
support HFP/HSP.
In the gnome/gtk/python app I guess there might be issue with some hardware
and the so called profiles. IF profile is not advertised, it would not
connect or I read that in some cases the order matters, besides BT and PA
keep record which device used which profile.
Sometime it is better to remove the pairing and pair+connect again.
I would be surprised if headphones would have a microphone and do not
support HSP. Often these HFP/HSP are mixed, but they are different however
at the bottom it is the same - you have a speaker and microphone and
bidirectional audio stream. HFP is for mobiles while HSP for head sets.
You could easily scan the device for what is supported:
[bluetooth]# devices
[bluetooth]# info (MAC of device)
[...]
UUID: Headset AG
(00001112-0000-1000-8000-00805f9b34fb)
UUID: Handsfree Audio Gateway
(0000111f-0000-1000-8000-00805f9b34fb)
[...]
I subsequently tested an older LG Tone and found that
also works with
HFP/HSP.
I guess you already connected with A2DP and now it might be the profile of
choice for this device unless it is something else we don't know now, but
if it had a mic it should support also the HSP.
you could also easily (or may be not so easily) connect and disconnect via
DBUS methods
dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/hci0/dev_00_01_02_03_04_05
org.bluez.Device1.Connect
and look behind the scene what happens
dbus-monitor --system
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14 Nov
14 Nov
2:21 a.m.
On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 00:21:57 +0100
deloptes via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
In the gnome/gtk/python app I guess there might be
issue with some
hardware and the so called profiles. IF profile is not advertised, it
would not connect or I read that in some cases the order matters,
besides BT and PA keep record which device used which profile.
Sometime it is better to remove the pairing and pair+connect again.
I would be surprised if headphones would have a microphone and do not
support HSP. Often these HFP/HSP are mixed, but they are different
however at the bottom it is the same - you have a speaker and
microphone and bidirectional audio stream. HFP is for mobiles while
HSP for head sets.
You could easily scan the device for what is supported:
[bluetooth]# devices
[bluetooth]# info (MAC of device)
[...]
UUID: Headset AG
(00001112-0000-1000-8000-00805f9b34fb)
UUID: Handsfree Audio Gateway
(0000111f-0000-1000-8000-00805f9b34fb)
[...]
Out of all that I tested, it included three different Sentry models.
All three include a mic and can answer a phone call, when paired to a
phone. Why their mics would not connect through Bluetooth on the PC, it
must be the electronics inside those headsets, maybe they're just not
recognizing a certain profile.
In the Bluetooth Manager:
A2DP (default) worked fine with all headphones tested.
For the two sets of headphones that successfully work with their mics,
it required the connection be changed to Audio Sink first, then select
the HFP/HSP profile.
I subsequently tested an older LG Tone and found
that also works
with HFP/HSP.
I guess you already connected with A2DP and now it might be the
profile of choice for this device unless it is something else we
don't know now, but if it had a mic it should support also the HSP.
you could also easily (or may be not so easily) connect and
disconnect via DBUS methods
dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.bluez
/org/bluez/hci0/dev_00_01_02_03_04_05 org.bluez.Device1.Connect
and look behind the scene what happens
dbus-monitor --system
9:03 a.m.
Edward via tde-users wrote:
Out of all that I tested, it included three different
Sentry models.
All three include a mic and can answer a phone call, when paired to a
phone. Why their mics would not connect through Bluetooth on the PC, it
must be the electronics inside those headsets, maybe they're just not
recognizing a certain profile.
But the HSP profile should be advertised and you could connect to it anyway.
The problem is usually that another profile is selected for use.
In the Bluetooth Manager:
A2DP (default) worked fine with all headphones tested.
For the two sets of headphones that successfully work with their mics,
it required the connection be changed to Audio Sink first, then select
the HFP/HSP profile.
Yes - some kind of tweeking always helps. This was also my problem when I
started working on the tdebluez. It still needs some work but I changed the
setup manager to allow selecting and connecting of specific profiles.
Unfortunately I do not have too many BT devices - just few phones for
testing. I have only one active SIM card to test the phones, because you
need the SIM card there so that HF AG is advertised ...
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23 Nov
23 Nov
1:30 a.m.
On 11/14/20 4:03 AM, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Edward via tde-users wrote:
Bluetooth Manager will display all of the known profiles, whether or not
the actual headphones support a particular profile. This is the package
installed from the PCLinuxOS repository.
Does TDE have its own Bluetooth Manager?
I bought a second pair of the Inland headphones, because the original
set is several years old and I have no idea how long the battery is
going to last, although it continues to fully-charge each time to this
day. :)
The front of the box has the supported profiles printed right on it:
HSP, HFP, A2DP and AVRCP. The electronics would have to support the
HSP/HFP profile(s), so this explains why the three Sentry models I
tried, would not work with the mic on the PC.
Out of all that I tested, it included three
different Sentry models.
All three include a mic and can answer a phone call, when paired to a
phone. Why their mics would not connect through Bluetooth on the PC, it
must be the electronics inside those headsets, maybe they're just not
recognizing a certain profile.
But the HSP profile should be advertised and you could connect to it anyway.
The problem is usually that another profile is selected for use.
In the Bluetooth Manager:
A2DP (default) worked fine with all headphones tested.
For the two sets of headphones that successfully work with their mics,
it required the connection be changed to Audio Sink first, then select
the HFP/HSP profile.
Yes - some kind of tweeking always helps. This was also my
problem when I
started working on the tdebluez. It still needs some work but I changed the
setup manager to allow selecting and connecting of specific profiles.
Unfortunately I do not have too many BT devices - just few phones for
testing. I have only one active SIM card to test the phones, because you
need the SIM card there so that HF AG is advertised ...
7:47 a.m.
Edward via tde-users wrote:
Bluetooth Manager will display all of the known
profiles, whether or not
the actual headphones support a particular profile. This is the package
installed from the PCLinuxOS repository.
if you query the device it will show you the profiles supported by the
device - could be that you are seeing the profiles supported by the PC?
use bluetoothctl to be 100% sure.
Does TDE have its own Bluetooth Manager?
I reworked the older kdebluetooth to use bluez5 and named it tdebluez, but
it is not included in official packages yet. Feedback will be appreciated
if you decide to compile and use it.
https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/deloptes/tdebluez
I bought a second pair of the Inland headphones,
because the original
set is several years old and I have no idea how long the battery is
going to last, although it continues to fully-charge each time to this
day. :)
The front of the box has the supported profiles printed right on it:
HSP, HFP, A2DP and AVRCP. The electronics would have to support the
HSP/HFP profile(s), so this explains why the three Sentry models I
tried, would not work with the mic on the PC.
I don't understand this, but it might be also irrelevant. IF there is a mic
on the headset than it would support at least HSP - doesn't matter how old
it is. Here comes the question what HW version it has - but AFAIK they are
compatible to some extent.
For HFP you need a device with SIM card. Look at the screenshot with Nokia
5530 - it is without SIM card and reports only HSP. This is because HFP
provides access to phone book as well and is handled differently - but as I
said it is not relevant in the case.
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1:58 p.m.
On 11/23/20 2:47 AM, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Edward via tde-users wrote:
Perfect timing on the headphone purchase. The original set broke this
morning. :(
bluetoothctl / info displays seven UUID's: Headset, Audio Sink, A/V
Remote Control Target, A/V Remote Control, Handsfree, Phonebook Access
Client and PnP Information.
Is this what you are referring to?
Bluetooth Manager will display all of the known
profiles, whether or not
the actual headphones support a particular profile. This is the package
installed from the PCLinuxOS repository.
if you query the device it will show you the profiles supported by the
device - could be that you are seeing the profiles supported by the PC?
use bluetoothctl to be 100% sure.
Does TDE have its own Bluetooth Manager?
I reworked the older kdebluetooth to use bluez5 and named it tdebluez, but
it is not included in official packages yet. Feedback will be appreciated
if you decide to compile and use it.
https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/deloptes/tdebluez
4:17 p.m.
On 11/23/20 8:58 AM, Edward via tde-users wrote:
Perfect timing on the headphone purchase. The original set broke this
morning. :(
bluetoothctl / info displays seven UUID's: Headset, Audio Sink, A/V
Remote Control Target, A/V Remote Control, Handsfree, Phonebook Access
Client and PnP Information.
Is this what you are referring to?
I reconnected one of the Sentry models in which the mic didn't work. The
'info' command for this headset displays the following UUID's: Serial
Port, Audio Sink, A/V Remote Control Target, A/V Remote Control and
Handsfree. As it doesn't display 'Headset", that is probably what's
needed in order to use the mic through the PC.
8:05 p.m.
Edward via tde-users wrote:
Yes
bluetoothctl / info displays seven UUID's: Headset, Audio Sink, A/V
Remote Control Target, A/V Remote Control, Handsfree, Phonebook Access
Client and PnP Information.
Is this what you are referring to?
I reconnected one of the Sentry models in which the
mic didn't work. The
'info' command for this headset displays the following UUID's: Serial
Port, Audio Sink, A/V Remote Control Target, A/V Remote Control and
Handsfree. As it doesn't display 'Headset", that is probably what's
needed in order to use the mic through the PC.
Don't know - sounds strange - do you have the UUIDs?
regards
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21 Jan
21 Jan
12:34 a.m.
On 11/13/20 9:21 PM, Edward via tde-users wrote:
Out of all that I tested, it included three different
Sentry models.
All three include a mic and can answer a phone call, when paired to a
phone. Why their mics would not connect through Bluetooth on the PC, it
must be the electronics inside those headsets, maybe they're just not
recognizing a certain profile.
In the Bluetooth Manager:
A2DP (default) worked fine with all headphones tested.
For the two sets of headphones that successfully work with their mics,
it required the connection be changed to Audio Sink first, then select
the HFP/HSP profile.
____________________________________________________
Under Debian, do I now need additional packages? Using the above
directions, I am getting NO audio in the headphones, it's all coming
through the PC speakers, when I log into an online meeting.
blueman, bluez-tools, bluez, ofono, bluez-obexd, libbluetooth3 are all
installed. At the time my original e-mail was sent, I had PCLinuxOS
installed.
Thanks in advance.
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12:42 a.m.
On 1/20/21 7:34 PM, Edward wrote:
On 11/13/20 9:21 PM, Edward via tde-users wrote:
When the profile is on A2DP, I get audio, no mic. When I switch it to
HSP.HFP which should give me the mike with audio, under Debian, I now
lose the audio in the headphones and the audio comes out of the PC
speakers instead.
--
Linux. A Continual Learning Experience.
Out of all that I tested, it included three
different Sentry models.
All three include a mic and can answer a phone call, when paired to a
phone. Why their mics would not connect through Bluetooth on the PC, it
must be the electronics inside those headsets, maybe they're just not
recognizing a certain profile.
In the Bluetooth Manager:
A2DP (default) worked fine with all headphones tested.
For the two sets of headphones that successfully work with their mics,
it required the connection be changed to Audio Sink first, then select
the HFP/HSP profile.
____________________________________________________
Under Debian, do I now need additional packages? Using the above
directions, I am getting NO audio in the headphones, it's all coming
through the PC speakers, when I log into an online meeting.
blueman, bluez-tools, bluez, ofono, bluez-obexd, libbluetooth3 are all
installed. At the time my original e-mail was sent, I had PCLinuxOS
installed.
Thanks in advance. 
8:22 a.m.
Edward wrote:
When the profile is on A2DP, I get audio, no mic. When
I switch it to
HSP.HFP which should give me the mike with audio, under Debian, I now
lose the audio in the headphones and the audio comes out of the PC
speakers instead.
It is a "feature" of pulseaudio and bluez5 I guess. The problem is that it
uses A2DP as default and may be takes the first audio when using HSP.
One option is to remove the .pulse directory pair again with the correct
profile and try again. This is because PA and Bbluez5 keep a record of
associated profiles.
I reworked the kbluetooth and call it tdebluez.
https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/deloptes/tdebluez
There you can select the profiles you want to connect with.
Another option is to do this in bluetoothctl.
HFP != HSP although you may think it is. If you have no SIM card in the
device you are connecting, you most probably talk about and use HSP. IF
they were equal there wouldn't be the two of them.
Both of them include audio and mic though. You definitely need this.
regards
12:35 p.m.
On 1/21/21 3:22 AM, deloptes wrote:
Edward wrote:
Would you know where the .pulse directory is located? It's not in my
home directory. If I run the 'find' command, even as root, I get
'Permission denied'.
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When the profile is on A2DP, I get audio, no mic.
When I switch it to
HSP.HFP which should give me the mike with audio, under Debian, I now
lose the audio in the headphones and the audio comes out of the PC
speakers instead.
It is a "feature" of pulseaudio and bluez5 I guess.
The problem is that it
uses A2DP as default and may be takes the first audio when using HSP.
One option is to remove the .pulse directory pair again with the correct
profile and try again. This is because PA and Bbluez5 keep a record of
associated profiles.
I reworked the kbluetooth and call it tdebluez.
https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/deloptes/tdebluez
There you can select the profiles you want to connect with.
Another option is to do this in bluetoothctl.
HFP != HSP although you may think it is. If you have no SIM card in the
device you are connecting, you most probably talk about and use HSP. IF
they were equal there wouldn't be the two of them.
Both of them include audio and mic though. You definitely need this.
regards 
2:17 p.m.
On 1/21/21 8:35 AM, Stefan Krusche via tde-users wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 21. Januar 2021 schrieb Edward:
Hi Stefan,
That is where it was located, thanks. Upon its deletion and the device
removed from blueman, then trying again, once it's paired and connected,
it defaulted to the HSP/HFP profile, but the mic still didn't work on
the test web sites. The pull-down list in Firefox, lists the device
itself (as its model number) and 'Monitor of' with the model number.
Neither option will get the mic to work.
Something included with PCLinuxOS seems to be missing from Debian...
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Would you know where the .pulse directory is
located? It's not in my
home directory.
On my system it is under $HOME/.config/pulse
HTH
Kind regards,
Stefan
2:21 p.m.
On 1/21/21 9:17 AM, Edward wrote:
On 1/21/21 8:35 AM, Stefan Krusche via tde-users wrote:
I just noticed that the pulse directory was not re-created once I
launched Blueman as above.
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Am Donnerstag, 21. Januar 2021 schrieb Edward:
Hi Stefan,
That is where it was located, thanks. Upon its deletion and the device
removed from blueman, then trying again, once it's paired and
connected, it defaulted to the HSP/HFP profile, but the mic still
didn't work on the test web sites. The pull-down list in Firefox,
lists the device itself (as its model number) and 'Monitor of' with
the model number. Neither option will get the mic to work.
Something included with PCLinuxOS seems to be missing from Debian... Would you know where the .pulse directory is
located? It's not in my
home directory.
On my system it is under $HOME/.config/pulse
HTH
Kind regards,
Stefan
6:18 p.m.
Edward wrote:
I just noticed that the pulse directory was not
re-created once I
launched Blueman as above.
did you restart or logout/login? you could also restart pulseaudio daemon.
Sorry I forgot that .pulse was moved to .config/pulse.
Furthermore run pavucontrol and check there the status of the device. Go
first to configuration and then to the other tabs. When I was testing with
the mobile phone I had to set it up there (the first time). AFAIR it
creates a loop device that is also visible in the other tabs.
Make sure that in kmix pulseaudio you have the mic unmuted.
6:36 p.m.
On 1/21/21 1:18 PM, deloptes wrote:
Edward wrote:
I rebooted instead.
Attaching screenshots of Kmix and pavucontrol.
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I just noticed that the pulse directory was not
re-created once I
launched Blueman as above.
did you restart or logout/login? you could also restart
pulseaudio daemon.
Sorry I forgot that .pulse was moved to .config/pulse.
Furthermore run pavucontrol and check there the status of the device. Go
first to configuration and then to the other tabs. When I was testing with
the mobile phone I had to set it up there (the first time). AFAIR it
creates a loop device that is also visible in the other tabs.
Make sure that in kmix pulseaudio you have the mic unmuted. 
7:40 p.m.
Edward wrote:
On 1/21/21 1:18 PM, deloptes wrote:
In kmix I did not mean exactly this.
My usecase is the opposite of yours. I setup the PC to be able to use the
audio and mic to talk via the phone. It is the HFP.
I don't have a BT headset to try your use case.
In my use case the only problem I have is that when the call is closed ofono
crashes and kills pulseaudio which makes kmix goes suicidal.
I hope it helps
Edward wrote:
I rebooted instead.
Attaching screenshots of Kmix and pavucontrol.
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Linux. A Continual Learning Experience. I just noticed that the pulse directory was not
re-created once I
launched Blueman as above.
did you restart or logout/login? you could also restart
pulseaudio
daemon.
Sorry I forgot that .pulse was moved to .config/pulse.
Furthermore run pavucontrol and check there the status of the device. Go
first to configuration and then to the other tabs. When I was testing
with the mobile phone I had to set it up there (the first time). AFAIR it
creates a loop device that is also visible in the other tabs.
Make sure that in kmix pulseaudio you have the mic unmuted. 
8:16 p.m.
On 1/21/21 2:40 PM, deloptes wrote:
Edward wrote:
It appears to be a Debian issue. I just tried the microphone in the web
cam (Creative LiveCam) and that didn't work either. It worked under
PCLinuxOS, so it looks like I'll have to switch back to PCLOS now.
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On 1/21/21 1:18 PM, deloptes wrote:
In kmix I did not mean exactly this.
My usecase is the opposite of yours. I setup the PC to be able to use the
audio and mic to talk via the phone. It is the HFP.
I don't have a BT headset to try your use case.
In my use case the only problem I have is that when the call is closed ofono
crashes and kills pulseaudio which makes kmix goes suicidal.
I hope it helps Edward wrote:
I rebooted instead.
Attaching screenshots of Kmix and pavucontrol.
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Linux. A Continual Learning Experience. I just noticed that the pulse directory was not
re-created once I
launched Blueman as above.
did you restart or logout/login? you could also restart
pulseaudio
daemon.
Sorry I forgot that .pulse was moved to .config/pulse.
Furthermore run pavucontrol and check there the status of the device. Go
first to configuration and then to the other tabs. When I was testing
with the mobile phone I had to set it up there (the first time). AFAIR it
creates a loop device that is also visible in the other tabs.
Make sure that in kmix pulseaudio you have the mic unmuted.
8:36 p.m.
Having the PA volume control open, if I speak into the webcam mic
regardless of the profile for the headphones, it registers that in the
volume control, so I know the webcam mic is working. .
The volume control is not registering the mic in the headphones, however
on the Input Devices tab, the sound card (Creative Sound Blaster Audigy
Fx) is listed with 'Front Microphone (unplugged)', yet it is showing
microphone activity. I have nothing but speakers plugged into it. Could
the sound card be causing it or be defective, or perhaps PulseAudio
isn't detecting it correctly? I have muted that particular entry.
Also, with the headphones using HSP/HFP, the webcam mic doesn't work on
the test sites. But after switching the profile to A2DP Sink, the mic
then works on the test sites. This may have to be a workaround.
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11:04 p.m.
Edward wrote:
Having the PA volume control open, if I speak into the
webcam mic
regardless of the profile for the headphones, it registers that in the
volume control, so I know the webcam mic is working. .
The volume control is not registering the mic in the headphones, however
on the Input Devices tab, the sound card (Creative Sound Blaster Audigy
Fx) is listed with 'Front Microphone (unplugged)', yet it is showing
microphone activity. I have nothing but speakers plugged into it. Could
the sound card be causing it or be defective, or perhaps PulseAudio
isn't detecting it correctly? I have muted that particular entry.
Also, with the headphones using HSP/HFP, the webcam mic doesn't work on
the test sites. But after switching the profile to A2DP Sink, the mic
then works on the test sites. This may have to be a workaround.
I am not sure if I understand correctly your setup.
Headphones are not to be used with HSP/HFP if they do not have a mic (if
they are not a headset). In the case it is only headphones you should use
A2DP with Sync (bluetooth)
The Mic of your webcam would be then a Source.
You need pulseaudio-module-bluetooth installed (check).
You need pulseaudio set correctly
Check
pacmd list-sink-inputs
pacmd list-source-outputs
might be you have to set input/output manually
11:12 p.m.
deloptes wrote:
I am not sure if I understand correctly your setup.
Headphones are not to be used with HSP/HFP if they do not have a mic (if
they are not a headset). In the case it is only headphones you should use
A2DP with Sync (bluetooth)
The Mic of your webcam would be then a Source.
You need pulseaudio-module-bluetooth installed (check).
You need pulseaudio set correctly
Check
pacmd list-sink-inputs
pacmd list-source-outputs
might be you have to set input/output manually
I also have a webcam that I use as input (microphone)
$ pacmd list-sources | grep mic
analog-input-mic: Microphone (priority 8700, latency offset
0 usec, available: unknown)
device.icon_name = "audio-input-microphone"
active port: <analog-input-mic>
analog-input-mic: Microphone (priority 8700, latency offset
0 usec, available: no)
device.icon_name = "audio-input-microphone"
also try and check what is the output of
$ pacmd list-sinks
ports:
analog-output-lineout: Line Out (priority 9900, latency
offset 0 usec, available: yes)
properties:
analog-output-speaker: Speakers (priority 10000, latency
offset 0 usec, available: no)
properties:
device.icon_name = "audio-speakers"
analog-output-headphones: Headphones (priority 9000, latency
offset 0 usec, available: no)
properties:
device.icon_name = "audio-headphones"
22 Jan
22 Jan
12:12 a.m.
On 1/21/21 6:12 PM, deloptes wrote:
deloptes wrote:
> I am not sure if I understand correctly your setup.
>
> Headphones are not to be used with HSP/HFP if they do not have a mic (if
> they are not a headset). In the case it is only headphones you should use
> A2DP with Sync (bluetooth)
>
> The Mic of your webcam would be then a Source.
> You need pulseaudio-module-bluetooth installed (check).
> You need pulseaudio set correctly
>
> Check
> pacmd list-sink-inputs
> pacmd list-source-outputs
>
> might be you have to set input/output manually
All of the Bluetooth headphones I have, include microphones. Only two
models (Inland 87099 and Creative) have the electronics to support the
HSP/HFP profile.
My intent was to use the headphone mic in one of these for online
meetings (Zoom, Jitsi, etc.), but under Debian, this isn't working with
the installed software. pulseaudio-module-bluetooth is installed, as is
ofono, blueman, bluez-tools, bluez, bluez-obexd and libbluetooth3.
This exact same setup worked when I had TDE/PCLinuxOS installed with the
same packages as above (the libbluetooth package might have been named
differently).
Under PCLOS, I used the PC's on-board audio at the time. I do not know
if the new PCI-E sound card I have now, has anything to do with this
issue, even though the card's /Front Microphone (unplugged)/ entry shows
activity in the PA volume control, until I mute it.
With either the Inland or Creative headphones connected on the HSP/HFP
profile: no mic, no audio in the headphones, no audio from the PC
speakers. Changing profile to A2DP resumes the audio from the
headphones, the headphone mics never worked under A2DP.
pacmd list-sink-inputs lists one input, the headphones.
list-source-outputs indicated 0 (zero) source outputs available.
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8:39 a.m.
Edward wrote:
All of the Bluetooth headphones I have, include
microphones. Only two
models (Inland 87099 and Creative) have the electronics to support the
HSP/HFP profile.
My intent was to use the headphone mic in one of these for online
meetings (Zoom, Jitsi, etc.), but under Debian, this isn't working with
the installed software. pulseaudio-module-bluetooth is installed, as is
ofono, blueman, bluez-tools, bluez, bluez-obexd and libbluetooth3.
This exact same setup worked when I had TDE/PCLinuxOS installed with the
same packages as above (the libbluetooth package might have been named
differently).
Under PCLOS, I used the PC's on-board audio at the time. I do not know
if the new PCI-E sound card I have now, has anything to do with this
issue, even though the card's /Front Microphone (unplugged)/ entry shows
activity in the PA volume control, until I mute it.
With either the Inland or Creative headphones connected on the HSP/HFP
profile: no mic, no audio in the headphones, no audio from the PC
speakers. Changing profile to A2DP resumes the audio from the
headphones, the headphone mics never worked under A2DP.
pacmd list-sink-inputs lists one input, the headphones.
list-source-outputs indicated 0 (zero) source outputs available.
Yes, I'm also pissed with that - it (I mean pulseaudio, systemd, udev,
bluetoothd and whatever else) does what it wants - it seems totally out of
control, although the "experts" have very good intentions.
What I am wondering is if the BT, PA, Systemd and udev versions on PCLOS and
on the Debian are the same ... hmm you can add Ofono to this gang.
When I was testing the phone - it was also working sometime and sometime
not, but the phone is another offspring of this gang as itself is running
Sailfish OS with the gang running on it.
This bluez5 is another KDE4 like story - they enforced it to us while it was
not working at all. Now things are getting slowly better, but still it is
not OK - why, because the software tries to take a decision on the desired
configuration - decision that is hidden from you.
What I've been doing is reading documentation and trying to change
configuration - finally I gave it up - I do not have the time and I use BT
only to sync my PIM data from the phone to the PC.
But I'm pissed that the phone stopped working with the car, while with
bluez4 it still works perfectly well.
Anyway - for you the only way is to try manually hack this (probably in
bluetoothctl and pacmd) but chances are good to find answer somewhere on
the net, because you are not alone with that.
24 Jan
24 Jan
12:40 a.m.
On 1/22/21 3:39 AM, deloptes wrote:
Edward wrote:
Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0a5c:21e8 Broadcom Corp. BCM20702A0 Bluetooth 4.0
This is the USB dongle that I have, bought this particular one from
Amazon as the description said it works with Linux and technically, it
does.
After installing the TDE packages over Debian, I lost the Plymouth
bootsplash and get rows of messages before the login screen appears. One
of the lines mentions that it can't find the firmware for this device.
I'm guessing at this point, that there is something included with PCLOS
that makes this device work properly, which Debian apparently doesn't
include, however there is a package 'bluez-firmware', its description
indicates it's required for operation of Bluetooth dongles based on the
Broadcom BCM203x chipset. But there is a GitHub project page with DEB
and RPM firmware packages for the 20702, so I'll give it a try.
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All of the Bluetooth headphones I have, include
microphones. Only two
models (Inland 87099 and Creative) have the electronics to support the
HSP/HFP profile.
My intent was to use the headphone mic in one of these for online
meetings (Zoom, Jitsi, etc.), but under Debian, this isn't working with
the installed software. pulseaudio-module-bluetooth is installed, as is
ofono, blueman, bluez-tools, bluez, bluez-obexd and libbluetooth3.
This exact same setup worked when I had TDE/PCLinuxOS installed with the
same packages as above (the libbluetooth package might have been named
differently).
Under PCLOS, I used the PC's on-board audio at the time. I do not know
if the new PCI-E sound card I have now, has anything to do with this
issue, even though the card's /Front Microphone (unplugged)/ entry shows
activity in the PA volume control, until I mute it.
With either the Inland or Creative headphones connected on the HSP/HFP
profile: no mic, no audio in the headphones, no audio from the PC
speakers. Changing profile to A2DP resumes the audio from the
headphones, the headphone mics never worked under A2DP.
pacmd list-sink-inputs lists one input, the headphones.
list-source-outputs indicated 0 (zero) source outputs available.
Yes, I'm also
pissed with that - it (I mean pulseaudio, systemd, udev,
bluetoothd and whatever else) does what it wants - it seems totally out of
control, although the "experts" have very good intentions.
What I am wondering is if the BT, PA, Systemd and udev versions on PCLOS and
on the Debian are the same ... hmm you can add Ofono to this gang.
When I was testing the phone - it was also working sometime and sometime
not, but the phone is another offspring of this gang as itself is running
Sailfish OS with the gang running on it.
This bluez5 is another KDE4 like story - they enforced it to us while it was
not working at all. Now things are getting slowly better, but still it is
not OK - why, because the software tries to take a decision on the desired
configuration - decision that is hidden from you.
What I've been doing is reading documentation and trying to change
configuration - finally I gave it up - I do not have the time and I use BT
only to sync my PIM data from the phone to the PC.
But I'm pissed that the phone stopped working with the car, while with
bluez4 it still works perfectly well.
Anyway - for you the only way is to try manually hack this (probably in
bluetoothctl and pacmd) but chances are good to find answer somewhere on
the net, because you are not alone with that.
1:19 a.m.
New subject: Bluetooth Headphone Microphone [SOLVED]
On 1/23/21 7:40 PM, Edward wrote:
Bus 003 Device 002: ID 0a5c:21e8 Broadcom Corp.
BCM20702A0 Bluetooth 4.0
This is the USB dongle that I have, bought this particular one from
Amazon as the description said it works with Linux and technically, it
does.
After installing the TDE packages over Debian, I lost the Plymouth
bootsplash and get rows of messages before the login screen appears. One
of the lines mentions that it can't find the firmware for this device.
I'm guessing at this point, that there is something included with PCLOS
that makes this device work properly, which Debian apparently doesn't
include, however there is a package 'bluez-firmware', its description
indicates it's required for operation of Bluetooth dongles based on the
Broadcom BCM203x chipset. But there is a GitHub project page with DEB
and RPM firmware packages for the 20702, so I'll give it a try.
That firmware package solved the problem with the Inland headphones. It
will switch between the two profiles and its mic now works through
Bluetooth with the HSP/HFP profile.
https://github.com/winterheart/broadcom-bt-firmware
Although with the Creative headphones, I now get no audio whatsoever
with them, using either profile.
So...ones mileage may vary.
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29 Jan
29 Jan
2:16 a.m.
New subject: Bluetooth Headphone Microphone [SOLVED]
On 1/23/21 8:19 PM, Edward wrote:
Although with the Creative headphones, I now get no audio whatsoever
with them, using either profile.
Update: I now have audio with the Creative headphones. Apparently, the
audio for them in the PulseAudio Volume Control, somehow became muted.
Upon un-muting...I had audio. :)
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