Am Dienstag, 11. November 2014 schrieb David Hare: exegnulinux made it to the list of non-systemd debian derivatives :-) http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=118319 BTW, good work! Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA.

On Fri, 14 Nov 2014 22:02:47 -0800 Robert Peters <robertpeters9(a)gmail.com> wrote: Does "ps -ef | grep iceweasel" return anything? If it does, "killall iceweasel" and try to start it again. E. Liddell

On 15 November 2014 11:25, David Hare <davidahare(a)gmail.com> wrote: Thanks for writing. Where possible, I like to share /home with a user of the same name from another distro (in this case Lubuntu). This in order to not duplicate files like data and browser cache. But my worry is that the settings for one distro might affect the settings for the other. So I have a different user for each, and symlink many user directories from one into the other. That's why Iceweasel didn't start. I symlinked ~/.mozilla from the Lubuntu user to the Exegnu user; after I removed that link, Iceweasel started okay. Will try the startupconfig change. Looks like for now I'll have to use Skype under Lubuntu. Robert

On 15 November 2014 19:51, David Hare <davidahare(a)gmail.com> wrote: From reading various reports on systemd, I like the idea of a DE that doesn't use it. Given the uncertainty about Debian, I might go to using Gentoo, or look into the feasibility of using TDE in one of the BSDs. Robert

On Sunday 16 November 2014 09:23:30 Michael . wrote: I agree with Michael. Debian's future is not in any doubt. Lisi

On Sunday 16 November 2014 10.40:46 Lisi Reisz wrote: As long as there is a way to compile a "fork" without systemd, I guess there will be a choice. I find it a little worrying that applications depend on systemd, as that restricts the choice. I am working with openSuSE (that uses systemd) and, from a users point of view, I did not (yet?) see any problem. For Jessie I'll wait until it becomes "stable". Thierry

On Sunday 16 November 2014 10:24:03 Michael . wrote: I use Debian. I have never had Gnome on my computer. It has been the Debian default for a while. As Michael says, systemd is just the default. I agree with him that it seems a pity for the FUD to be spreading from Debian user to other lists. Lisi

On my own followup, below is the installation log, indicating something major is seriously amiss with installing jessie-tde live isos on a virtualbox vm. Iam stopping trying to install jessie-tde on a vm for now, will try to install it on an old t61 laptop instead, but any help with the mess below would be appreciated. d. ...................... Current default time zone: 'Pacific/Honolulu' Local time is now: Mon Nov 24 00:39:08 HST 2014. Universal Time is now: Mon Nov 24 10:39:08 UTC 2014. mke2fs 1.42.12 (29-Aug-2014) Usage: mount [-lhV] mount -a [options] mount [options] [--source] <source> | [--target] <directory> mount [options] <source> <directory> mount <operation> <mountpoint> [<target>] Options: -a, --all mount all filesystems mentioned in fstab -c, --no-canonicalize don't canonicalize paths -f, --fake dry run; skip the mount(2) syscall -F, --fork fork off for each device (use with -a) -T, --fstab <path> alternative file to /etc/fstab -h, --help display this help text and exit -i, --internal-only don't call the mount.<type> helpers -l, --show-labels lists all mounts with LABELs -n, --no-mtab don't write to /etc/mtab -o, --options <list> comma-separated list of mount options -O, --test-opts <list> limit the set of filesystems (use with -a) -r, --read-only mount the filesystem read-only (same as -o ro) -t, --types <list> limit the set of filesystem types --source <src> explicitly specifies source (path, label, uuid) --target <target> explicitly specifies mountpoint -v, --verbose say what is being done -V, --version display version information and exit -w, --rw, --read-write mount the filesystem read-write (default) -h, --help display this help and exit -V, --version output version information and exit Source: -L, --label <label> synonym for LABEL=<label> -U, --uuid <uuid> synonym for UUID=<uuid> LABEL=<label> specifies device by filesystem label UUID=<uuid> specifies device by filesystem UUID PARTLABEL=<label> specifies device by partition label PARTUUID=<uuid> specifies device by partition UUID <device> specifies device by path <directory> mountpoint for bind mounts (see --bind/rbind) <file> regular file for loopdev setup Operations: -B, --bind mount a subtree somewhere else (same as -o bind) -M, --move move a subtree to some other place -R, --rbind mount a subtree and all submounts somewhere else --make-shared mark a subtree as shared --make-slave mark a subtree as slave --make-private mark a subtree as private --make-unbindable mark a subtree as unbindable --make-rshared recursively mark a whole subtree as shared --make-rslave recursively mark a whole subtree as slave --make-rprivate recursively mark a whole subtree as private --make-runbindable recursively mark a whole subtree as unbindable For more details see mount(8). Usage: mount [-lhV] mount -a [options] mount [options] [--source] <source> | [--target] <directory> mount [options] <source> <directory> mount <operation> <mountpoint> [<target>] Options: -a, --all mount all filesystems mentioned in fstab -c, --no-canonicalize don't canonicalize paths -f, --fake dry run; skip the mount(2) syscall -F, --fork fork off for each device (use with -a) -T, --fstab <path> alternative file to /etc/fstab -h, --help display this help text and exit -i, --internal-only don't call the mount.<type> helpers -l, --show-labels lists all mounts with LABELs -n, --no-mtab don't write to /etc/mtab -o, --options <list> comma-separated list of mount options -O, --test-opts <list> limit the set of filesystems (use with -a) -r, --read-only mount the filesystem read-only (same as -o ro) -t, --types <list> limit the set of filesystem types --source <src> explicitly specifies source (path, label, uuid) --target <target> explicitly specifies mountpoint -v, --verbose say what is being done -V, --version display version information and exit -w, --rw, --read-write mount the filesystem read-write (default) -h, --help display this help and exit -V, --version output version information and exit Source: -L, --label <label> synonym for LABEL=<label> -U, --uuid <uuid> synonym for UUID=<uuid> LABEL=<label> specifies device by filesystem label UUID=<uuid> specifies device by filesystem UUID PARTLABEL=<label> specifies device by partition label PARTUUID=<uuid> specifies device by partition UUID <device> specifies device by path <directory> mountpoint for bind mounts (see --bind/rbind) <file> regular file for loopdev setup Operations: -B, --bind mount a subtree somewhere else (same as -o bind) -M, --move move a subtree to some other place -R, --rbind mount a subtree and all submounts somewhere else --make-shared mark a subtree as shared --make-slave mark a subtree as slave --make-private mark a subtree as private --make-unbindable mark a subtree as unbindable --make-rshared recursively mark a whole subtree as shared --make-rslave recursively mark a whole subtree as slave --make-rprivate recursively mark a whole subtree as private --make-runbindable recursively mark a whole subtree as unbindable For more details see mount(8). Usage: mount [-lhV] mount -a [options] mount [options] [--source] <source> | [--target] <directory> mount [options] <source> <directory> mount <operation> <mountpoint> [<target>] Options: -a, --all mount all filesystems mentioned in fstab -c, --no-canonicalize don't canonicalize paths -f, --fake dry run; skip the mount(2) syscall -F, --fork fork off for each device (use with -a) -T, --fstab <path> alternative file to /etc/fstab -h, --help display this help text and exit -i, --internal-only don't call the mount.<type> helpers -l, --show-labels lists all mounts with LABELs -n, --no-mtab don't write to /etc/mtab -o, --options <list> comma-separated list of mount options -O, --test-opts <list> limit the set of filesystems (use with -a) -r, --read-only mount the filesystem read-only (same as -o ro) -t, --types <list> limit the set of filesystem types --source <src> explicitly specifies source (path, label, uuid) --target <target> explicitly specifies mountpoint -v, --verbose say what is being done -V, --version display version information and exit -w, --rw, --read-write mount the filesystem read-write (default) -h, --help display this help and exit -V, --version output version information and exit Source: -L, --label <label> synonym for LABEL=<label> -U, --uuid <uuid> synonym for UUID=<uuid> LABEL=<label> specifies device by filesystem label UUID=<uuid> specifies device by filesystem UUID PARTLABEL=<label> specifies device by partition label PARTUUID=<uuid> specifies device by partition UUID <device> specifies device by path <directory> mountpoint for bind mounts (see --bind/rbind) <file> regular file for loopdev setup Operations: -B, --bind mount a subtree somewhere else (same as -o bind) -M, --move move a subtree to some other place -R, --rbind mount a subtree and all submounts somewhere else --make-shared mark a subtree as shared --make-slave mark a subtree as slave --make-private mark a subtree as private --make-unbindable mark a subtree as unbindable --make-rshared recursively mark a whole subtree as shared --make-rslave recursively mark a whole subtree as slave --make-rprivate recursively mark a whole subtree as private --make-runbindable recursively mark a whole subtree as unbindable For more details see mount(8). df: Warning: cannot read table of mounted file systems: No such file or directory mount: failed to read mtab: No such file or directory cat: /proc/cmdline: No such file or directory userdel: user mail spool (/var/mail/user) not found groupdel: group 'user' does not exist Enter new UNIX password: Retype new UNIX password: passwd: password updated successfully Enter new UNIX password: Retype new UNIX password: passwd: password updated successfully /chrootscript: line 83: /home/plain/.trinity/share/config/: Is a directory /chrootscript: line 84: /home/plain/.trinity/share/config/: Is a directory sed: couldn't edit /home/plain/.trinity/share/config/: not a regular file /usr/sbin/grub-install: /usr/sbin/grub-install: cannot execute binary file /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?). .............................................................................................. On Monday 24 November 2014 12:17:39 am kanenas(a)hawaii.rr.com wrote:

On 25/11/14 13:35, David Hare wrote: An updated ExeGNU iso is now posted to http://exegnulinux.net/downloads/jessie/ The previous grub install error now appears to be fixed. David

On 24/11/14 10:17, kanenas(a)hawaii.rr.com wrote: You're right.. grub-install is failing in the installer's chroot. Most likely the chroot commands need updating for newer grub versions. The rest of the install seems OK. In the meantime: You will need to boot the installation from another grub and fix it manually. There is a "Grub rescue menu" entry on the actual live image which should be able to detect and boot it. Then in a root terminal (asssuming you want it on mbr): grub-install /dev/sda update-grub Will post back later when it's fixed and a new iso done. Thanks to those who tested this (yes, Jessie is still "Debian Testing!) David