27 Apr
2014
27 Apr
'14
11 a.m.
Hi I'm Michael (k3lt01) and I am the lead (read only) person involved in
CobberLinux (1) or Cobber for short.
The intent behind Cobber is to create an Australasian Linux that is easy to
use and suits the countries in Australasia. I have created my own
repository (using reprepro) and it is hosted on sourceforge (2). To give
Australasian users a wide variety of choices I am creating different
flavours or Cobber using different Desktop Environments. My intent is to
support, via translation and repository hosting if need be, Desktop
Environments who support Cobber's Australasian users. By this I mean
Desktop Environments that allow and encourage users to have their own
language (or national language) as standard in the distribution.
Now that I have briefly explained Cobber I have 2 questions for you.
1. How do I translate Trinity Desktop Environment into Australian (New
Zealand, Papua New Guinean) English? I have a transifex account (user name
k3lt01) and a script to do automatic translations. I have already
translated MATE, XFCE, and Pidgin messenger and will translate Gnome and
KDE when I get the time (they have a massive amount of pot files to work
through).
2. Would you like, or even allow, me to host your packages in Cobber's
sourceforge repository so that cobber users have a geographically close
mirror to access?
(1) http://cobberlinux.wordpress.com
(2)
http://cobberlinux.wordpress.com/2014/04/07/cobber-linux-repository-informa…
Cheers.
Michael (k3lt01)
28 Apr
28 Apr
8:40 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Possible new distribution and mirror for Trinity Desktop Environment.
On 27/04/14 12:00, Michael . wrote:
Hi I'm Michael (k3lt01) and I am the lead (read
only) person involved in
CobberLinux (1) or Cobber for short.
The intent behind Cobber is to create an Australasian Linux that is easy
to use and suits the countries in Australasia. I have created my own
repository (using reprepro) and it is hosted on sourceforge (2). To give
Australasian users a wide variety of choices I am creating different
flavours or Cobber using different Desktop Environments. My intent is to
support, via translation and repository hosting if need be, Desktop
Environments who support Cobber's Australasian users. By this I mean
Desktop Environments that allow and encourage users to have their own
language (or national language) as standard in the distribution.
Now that I have briefly explained Cobber I have 2 questions for you.
1. How do I translate Trinity Desktop Environment into Australian (New
Zealand, Papua New Guinean) English? I have a transifex account (user
name k3lt01) and a script to do automatic translations. I have already
translated MATE, XFCE, and Pidgin messenger and will translate Gnome and
KDE when I get the time (they have a massive amount of pot files to work
through).
2. Would you like, or even allow, me to host your packages in Cobber's
sourceforge repository so that cobber users have a geographically close
mirror to access?
(1) http://cobberlinux.wordpress.com
(2)
http://cobberlinux.wordpress.com/2014/04/07/cobber-linux-repository-informa…
Cheers.
Michael (k3lt01)
Good luck Michael! I maintain Exe GNU/Linux (Debian with TDE) and help
also with Refracta (xfce) live images.
I can't answer your specific questions. However if you need any help
with, e.g. hd/usb installers, master/remaster scripts, TDE-specific
live-config scripts, bloat reduction strategies etc.., feel free to ask.
Such scripts already exist for Debian, are tested and working and are GPL.
David
9:49 a.m.
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Hi David
Thanks for the information and welcome. I would appreciate any assistance
in locating these scripts and advice setting up Cobber TDE to take
advantage of TDE's infrastructure. My plan with Cobber is to offer 2
versions of each DE. The 1st is an absolute bare bones install with just
the bare DE plus a web browser and Synaptic. This version will be for
people who have their own ideas of what applications they want. The 2nd is
a full DE with a specific set of applications for the user who just wants
their PC to do what they need with a minimum of fuss.
Cheers.
Michael.
P.S. Everything I personally create for/with Cobber will be GPL and
available either on Cobber's github page or in Cobber's sourceforge
repository.
On 28 April 2014 18:40, David Hare <davidahare(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 27/04/14 12:00, Michael . wrote:
Hi I'm Michael (k3lt01) and I am the lead
(read only) person involved in
CobberLinux (1) or Cobber for short.
The intent behind Cobber is to create an Australasian Linux that is easy
to use and suits the countries in Australasia. I have created my own
repository (using reprepro) and it is hosted on sourceforge (2). To give
Australasian users a wide variety of choices I am creating different
flavours or Cobber using different Desktop Environments. My intent is to
support, via translation and repository hosting if need be, Desktop
Environments who support Cobber's Australasian users. By this I mean
Desktop Environments that allow and encourage users to have their own
language (or national language) as standard in the distribution.
Now that I have briefly explained Cobber I have 2 questions for you.
1. How do I translate Trinity Desktop Environment into Australian (New
Zealand, Papua New Guinean) English? I have a transifex account (user
name k3lt01) and a script to do automatic translations. I have already
translated MATE, XFCE, and Pidgin messenger and will translate Gnome and
KDE when I get the time (they have a massive amount of pot files to work
through).
2. Would you like, or even allow, me to host your packages in Cobber's
sourceforge repository so that cobber users have a geographically close
mirror to access?
(1) http://cobberlinux.wordpress.com
(2)
http://cobberlinux.wordpress.com/2014/04/07/cobber-linux-
repository-information/
Cheers.
Michael (k3lt01)
Good luck Michael! I maintain Exe GNU/Linux (Debian with TDE) and help
also with Refracta (xfce) live images.
I can't answer your specific questions. However if you need any help with,
e.g. hd/usb installers, master/remaster scripts, TDE-specific live-config
scripts, bloat reduction strategies etc.., feel free to ask. Such scripts
already exist for Debian, are tested and working and are GPL.
David
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12:10 p.m.
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Hi Micheal,
I think the final words should come from Tim who is the project coordinator.
Personally I think one more distro supporting TDE would be good news.
Anyhow just for your info, we currently support Debian stable. I use Testing for
development and builds are available, while we do not build anything on sid.
TDE was born as a fork of KDE 3.5, so translation follow the same process as KDE (i.e.
lots of pot files).
Cheers
Michele
8:30 p.m.
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I've made about 9 remasters with various versions of Remastersys
and have done some script edits to make it work with TDE. Have
also used unmodified Refracta snapshot, so far only on Exe/Wheezy.
Mine have been oriented towards creating turnkey CAD/CAM/CNC
mega-distros with full media functionality. I'm a bit stuck on the issue
of making them available for download. At the moment I'm on the
verge of figuring out how to do it with torrent, but not quite there yet.
On 4/28/14, Michele Calgaro <michele.calgaro(a)yahoo.it> wrote:
Hi Micheal,
I think the final words should come from Tim who is the project
coordinator.
Personally I think one more distro supporting TDE would be good news.
Anyhow just for your info, we currently support Debian stable. I use Testing
for development and builds are available, while we do not build anything on
sid.
TDE was born as a fork of KDE 3.5, so translation follow the same process as
KDE (i.e. lots of pot files).
Cheers
Michele
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8:33 p.m.
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Refracta also currently works with Jessie but that may change before release.
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9:45 p.m.
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Hi Michele and Chris.
Chris, I have iso images (not with TDE) but they are not uploaded yet I
have also torrent files made but until I decided to use the sourceforge
service I couldn't justify making torrents. Because sourceforge has many
mirrors around the world torrent are a viable option again.
I use DebianLive for creating Cobber, it works well and is native to
Debian. Once a month I let DebianLive do its job and I have a new totally
up to date iso. The only thing with DebianLive is you really have to know
before you start what combinations work, especially for minimal installs
Michele, I noticed TDE is only on Stable and Oldstable. I will see how it
runs with testing and sid and make a decision from there. If it runs well
I'll do a version with testing as well. If it doesn't I'll stick with
Stable.
Cheers
On 29 April 2014 06:30, Chris Graham <chrisdgraham22(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I've made about 9 remasters with various versions
of Remastersys
and have done some script edits to make it work with TDE. Have
also used unmodified Refracta snapshot, so far only on Exe/Wheezy.
Mine have been oriented towards creating turnkey CAD/CAM/CNC
mega-distros with full media functionality. I'm a bit stuck on the issue
of making them available for download. At the moment I'm on the
verge of figuring out how to do it with torrent, but not quite there yet.
On 4/28/14, Michele Calgaro <michele.calgaro(a)yahoo.it> wrote:
Hi Micheal,
I think the final words should come from Tim who is the project
coordinator.
Personally I think one more distro supporting TDE would be good news.
Anyhow just for your info, we currently support Debian stable. I use
Testing
for development and builds are available, while
we do not build anything
on
sid.
TDE was born as a fork of KDE 3.5, so translation follow the same
process as
KDE (i.e. lots of pot files).
Cheers
Michele
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11:04 p.m.
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It definitely works on testing I built one today no issues so far. You have to use the
nightlies not the stable version.
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29 Apr
29 Apr
1:02 a.m.
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Re TDE-specific scripts for debian-live:
You will see more clearly if you inspect a recent ExeGNU image. (I am
working on R14 now) http://exegnulinux.net/downloads/wheezy/tde-r14/
The package list is available separately at the same address. It uses
selected TDE packages rather than the full tde-desktop. The image is
<700MB but still very functional.
Essential custom (deb) packages, available at http://exegnulinux.net/apt/ :
exegnu-snapshot (includes installer)
live-config-trinity
snapshot2usb
The installer dialogs are translation-ready but only done in English and
Spanish so far.
Other custom debs are in that repo e.g. gtk-youtube-viewer (for wheezy
and jessie/sid)
Much (Debian-) live-image-related info/discussion at
http://refracta.freeforums.org/
BTW TDE works fine at the moment in Sid but may not always.
Here is another way to do remasters:
http://exegnulinux.net/refracta/experimental/remaster-snapshot_1.1
Disclaimer: Use at your own risk..
IMO refractasnapshot is good, safe and maintained. Remastersys has had
it's day.
Refracta-installer is more advanced than exegnu- but dialogs are not yet
translation-ready.
There is also a more advanced live-usb installer (refracta2usb, forked
from exegnu2usb and snapshot2usb) which can set up multiboot,
persistence and other things unetbootin cannot.
Both installers can use zenity but zenity is (IMO) crippled gtk3 bloat;
yad is needed for full functionality.
David
1:15 a.m.
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Thanks for the assistance David. The package list is extremely helpful and
I will take a much better look at it over the next few days as well as
downloading ExeGNU and taking a look at TDE in a working state.
I agree regarding Remastersys. I stopped trying to use it ages ago. I have
never really needed to look at refracta, I got a quick grip on LiveBuild
and have stuck with it ever since, but I will because it never hurts to see
the various ways the same outcome can be achieved.
Thanks again.
Cheers.
On 29 April 2014 11:02, David Hare <davidahare(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Re TDE-specific scripts for debian-live:
You will see more clearly if you inspect a recent ExeGNU image. (I am
working on R14 now) http://exegnulinux.net/downloads/wheezy/tde-r14/
The package list is available separately at the same address. It uses
selected TDE packages rather than the full tde-desktop. The image is <700MB
but still very functional.
Essential custom (deb) packages, available at http://exegnulinux.net/apt/:
exegnu-snapshot (includes installer)
live-config-trinity
snapshot2usb
The installer dialogs are translation-ready but only done in English and
Spanish so far.
Other custom debs are in that repo e.g. gtk-youtube-viewer (for wheezy and
jessie/sid)
Much (Debian-) live-image-related info/discussion at
http://refracta.freeforums.org/
BTW TDE works fine at the moment in Sid but may not always.
Here is another way to do remasters: http://exegnulinux.net/
refracta/experimental/remaster-snapshot_1.1
Disclaimer: Use at your own risk..
IMO refractasnapshot is good, safe and maintained. Remastersys has had
it's day.
Refracta-installer is more advanced than exegnu- but dialogs are not yet
translation-ready.
There is also a more advanced live-usb installer (refracta2usb, forked
from exegnu2usb and snapshot2usb) which can set up multiboot, persistence
and other things unetbootin cannot.
Both installers can use zenity but zenity is (IMO) crippled gtk3 bloat;
yad is needed for full functionality.
David
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2:13 a.m.
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Michele, I noticed TDE is only on Stable and
Oldstable. I will see how it runs with testing and sid and make a decision from there.
If it runs well I'll do a version with testing as well. If it doesn't I'll
stick with Stable.
Michael, I have been using TDE in Testing for more than a year without major problems,
except for the occasional FTBFS when a dependency packaga gets updated. My guess is that
TDE will work in Sid as well, perhaps a few more FTBFS.
If you interested in building TDE for Sid, you can clone the source code from the Git
repo:
git clone http://scm.trinitydesktop.org/scm/git/tde
git clone http://scm.trinitydesktop.org/scm/git/tde-packaging
Then you can use the build scripts for Jessie and try to build in Sid.
Alternatively you can download prebuilt nightly build packages from Slavek's repo (but
no Sid):
http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb/dists
Cheers
Michele
9:39 a.m.
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Actually live-build is the proper tool for the job, creating a totally
clean build using debootstrap and a chroot. Refractasnapshot is not
intended as a replacement for live-build, it is an easy-to-use GUI
method to produce a working live-image from an existing installation.
Debian's live-config mechanism does not support TDE
(live-session-specific configs for autologin, kpersonalizer, locale,
language, sudo...) however does support additional custom scripts like
live-config-trinity.
Of course whatever installer you use must reverse some of those edits
(tdmrc and others).
RE Sid: Slavek's Jessie binaries work fine here at the moment. In the
past the crucial ones depended on a specific binutils version which
broke them for Sid.
David
9:30 p.m.
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Michele I've never built packages before and while I would really love to
learn that is something I'll practise on for quite a while before putting
them in Cobber. I'd much prefer to rely on experts in the field for
somethings.
David I did a LiveBuild last night with Trinity, I'll dd it to a usb drive
today and take a look at it.
As with anything it's the finer details that make or break a working system
so I'll be taking my time to get it right. I don't want to release
something that isn't quite right because I rushed it and have people think
Trinity is the problem. I'll probably be asking many questions along the
way.
You mention live-config-trinity, is that a script of your own making or is
it available online?
On 29 April 2014 19:39, David Hare <davidahare(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Actually live-build is the proper tool for the job,
creating a totally
clean build using debootstrap and a chroot. Refractasnapshot is not
intended as a replacement for live-build, it is an easy-to-use GUI method
to produce a working live-image from an existing installation.
Debian's live-config mechanism does not support TDE (live-session-specific
configs for autologin, kpersonalizer, locale, language, sudo...) however
does support additional custom scripts like live-config-trinity.
Of course whatever installer you use must reverse some of those edits
(tdmrc and others).
RE Sid: Slavek's Jessie binaries work fine here at the moment. In the past
the crucial ones depended on a specific binutils version which broke them
for Sid.
David
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