25 Jun
2017
25 Jun
'17
2:38 p.m.
Hello,
Is it better to wait before upgrading Jessie to Stretch ?
Is something wrong and particularly with TDE ?
Thank you,
André
25 Jun
25 Jun
2:44 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] upgrade Jessie to Stretch
Hi André!
Is it better to wait before upgrading Jessie to
Stretch ?
Is something wrong and particularly with TDE ?
From what I've seen, there is something wrong with Stretch :-/
Nik
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4:31 p.m.
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Agreed. I am sad that I deleted my debian-8 images. My one 9 install today
has been a disappointment.
On Jun 25, 2017 10:45, "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
Hi André!
Is it better to wait before upgrading Jessie to
Stretch ?
Is something wrong and particularly with TDE ?
From what I've seen, there is something wrong with Stretch :-/
Nik
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8:23 p.m.
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On Sunday 25 June 2017 18:31:38 Curt Howland wrote:
Agreed. I am sad that I deleted my debian-8 images.
My one 9 install today has been a disappointment :
Hello Curt,
Why ? What happened after the upgrade ?
> > Is it better to wait before upgrading Jessie
to Stretch ?
> > Is something wrong and particularly with TDE ?
On Jun 25, 2017 10:45, "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp"
<office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
> Hi André!
> From what I've seen, there is something wrong with Stretch :-/
> Nik
Hi Nikolaus!
Idem, what is something wrong with Stretch ?
André
8:42 p.m.
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On Sunday 25 June 2017 18:31:38 Curt Howland wrote:
> Agreed. I am sad that I deleted my debian-8 images.
> My one 9 install today has been a disappointment :
On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 4:23 PM, <andre_debian(a)numericable.fr> wrote:
Why ? What happened after the upgrade ?
I haven't gotten TDE on it, and since I found a 8.1 netinstall CD I'd
kept, I'm going to un-do the 9 install entirely.
I was disgusted when "# ifconfig" returned "command not found".
Curt-
9:22 p.m.
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On Sunday 25 June 2017 16:42:13 Curt Howland wrote:
Its there, but not in the users $PATH, so you either need to use the full
path or sudo ifconfig.
On Sunday 25
June 2017 18:31:38 Curt Howland wrote:
> Agreed. I am sad that I deleted my debian-8 images.
> My one 9 install today has been a disappointment :
On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 4:23 PM, <andre_debian(a)numericable.fr> wrote:
Why ? What happened after the upgrade ?
I haven't gotten TDE on it, and since I found a 8.1 netinstall CD I'd
kept, I'm going to un-do the 9 install entirely.
I was disgusted when "# ifconfig" returned "command not found".
Curt-
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9:49 p.m.
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On Sunday 25 June 2017 16:42:13 Curt Howland wrote:
> I was disgusted when "# ifconfig" returned "command not found".
On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net> wrote:
Its there, but not in the users $PATH, so you either
need to use the full
path or sudo ifconfig.
Forgive me, I thought that since I included # you'd know I was issuing
the command as root.
Not important.
11:38 p.m.
Curt Howland wrote:
The package I think net tools or smth is not installed by default anymore
On Sunday 25
June 2017 16:42:13 Curt Howland wrote:
> I was disgusted when "# ifconfig" returned "command not found".
On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Gene Heskett
<gheskett(a)shentel.net> wrote:
Its there, but not in the users $PATH, so you
either need to use the full
path or sudo ifconfig.
Forgive me, I thought that since I included # you'd know I was issuing
the command as root.
Not important. 
9:23 p.m.
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On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:42:13 -0400
Curt Howland <Howland(a)priss.com> wrote:
Erm? ifconfig exist in stretch in the same net-tools package as always.
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On Sunday 25
June 2017 18:31:38 Curt Howland wrote:
> Agreed. I am sad that I deleted my debian-8 images.
> My one 9 install today has been a disappointment :
On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 4:23 PM, <andre_debian(a)numericable.fr> wrote:
Why ? What happened after the upgrade ?
I haven't gotten TDE on it, and since I found a 8.1 netinstall CD I'd
kept, I'm going to un-do the 9 install entirely.
I was disgusted when "# ifconfig" returned "command not found".
11:01 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] upgrade Jessie to Stretch
On Sunday 25 of June 2017 23:23:31 Nick Koretsky wrote:
On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:42:13 -0400
Curt Howland <Howland(a)priss.com> wrote:
Erm? ifconfig exist in stretch in the same net-tools package as always.
Exactly, ifconfig is in the net-tools package. Just the difference is that
net-tools is no longer installed as the essential package. Must be
installed manually.
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On Sunday
25 June 2017 18:31:38 Curt Howland wrote:
> Agreed. I am sad that I deleted my debian-8 images.
> My one 9 install today has been a disappointment :
On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 4:23 PM, <andre_debian(a)numericable.fr> wrote:
Why ? What happened after the upgrade ?
I haven't gotten TDE on it, and since I found a 8.1 netinstall CD I'd
kept, I'm going to un-do the 9 install entirely.
I was disgusted when "# ifconfig" returned "command not found".
26 Jun
26 Jun
5:33 a.m.
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On 06/25/2017 03:01 PM, Slávek Banko wrote:
On Sunday 25 of June 2017 23:23:31 Nick Koretsky
wrote:
Debian: net-tools will be deprecated in favor of iproute2.."ip command"
instead of "ifconfig command". Fewer characters to type :-)
On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:42:13 -0400
Curt Howland <Howland(a)priss.com> wrote:
Erm? ifconfig exist in stretch in the same net-tools package as always.
Exactly, ifconfig is in the net-tools package. Just the difference is that
net-tools is no longer installed as the essential package. Must be
installed manually.
Cheers
On Sunday
25 June 2017 18:31:38 Curt Howland wrote:
> Agreed. I am sad that I deleted my debian-8 images.
> My one 9 install today has been a disappointment :
On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 4:23 PM, <andre_debian(a)numericable.fr> wrote:
Why ? What happened after the upgrade ?
I haven't gotten TDE on it, and since I found a 8.1 netinstall CD I'd
kept, I'm going to un-do the 9 install entirely.
I was disgusted when "# ifconfig" returned "command not found".
6 a.m.
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Greg Madden composed on 2017-06-25 21:33 (UTC-0800):
.
Slávek Banko wrote:
.
> Exactly, ifconfig is in the net-tools package.
Just the difference is that
> net-tools is no longer installed as the essential package. Must be
> installed manually.
.
Debian: net-tools will be deprecated in favor of
iproute2.."ip command"
instead of "ifconfig command". Fewer characters to type :-).
More obtuse
manual more than makes up for that de minimus improvement. Without
examples from the Internet, ip usage for getting other than mere current status
is inexplicable.
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7:35 p.m.
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Am Sonntag, 25. Juni 2017 schrieb andre_debian(a)numericable.fr:
add to the list:
- RDX drives lost hotplugging ability
- dmesg requires root
- did I mention systemd?
- X11 requires login manager
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On Jun 25,
2017 10:45, "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office(a)klepp.biz> wrote:
> Hi André!
> From what I've seen, there is something wrong with Stretch :-/
> Nik
Hi Nikolaus!
Idem, what is something wrong with Stretch ?
27 Jun
27 Jun
6:11 a.m.
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
add to the list:
- RDX drives lost hotplugging ability
- dmesg requires root
- did I mention systemd?
- X11 requires login manager
Nik, sorry but I don't see how this is related to TDE.
I have played around TDE and building amd64 packages from git. I have used
debian as a base and I have not encountered any single issue so far. Not
that I've tested that much, but still all looks normal and seems to work as
in Jessie.
- systemd is annoying (sometimes very annoying)
- X11 - login mgr - I think when I have time I'll talk to Slavek, Tim & Co
about dependencies. There is a lo of room for improvement.
regards
1:05 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: upgrade Jessie to Stretch
On 06/27/2017 02:11 AM, deloptes wrote:
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
I agree with you on the systemd issue. I'm using AMDs new Ryzen + ASUS
hardware and I'm finding that even WIN 10 has problems the the new
platform, so I can't put any blame on Trinity at this point. The version
before the R14 release seems to run better on this system. But there are
still unexpected reboots, even in windows. I'm thinking its BIOS/UEFI
problems.
Dave
add to the list:
- RDX drives lost hotplugging ability
- dmesg requires root
- did I mention systemd?
- X11 requires login manager
Nik, sorry but I don't see how this is related to
TDE.
I have played around TDE and building amd64 packages from git. I have used
debian as a base and I have not encountered any single issue so far. Not
that I've tested that much, but still all looks normal and seems to work as
in Jessie.
- systemd is annoying (sometimes very annoying)
- X11 - login mgr - I think when I have time I'll talk to Slavek, Tim & Co
about dependencies. There is a lo of room for improvement.
1:29 p.m.
Dave wrote:
I agree with you on the systemd issue. I'm using
AMDs new Ryzen + ASUS
hardware and I'm finding that even WIN 10 has problems the the new
platform, so I can't put any blame on Trinity at this point. The version
before the R14 release seems to run better on this system. But there are
still unexpected reboots, even in windows. I'm thinking its BIOS/UEFI
problems.
Do you have something in the logs - what is causing the reboots. I don't
recall exactly but there is an option when you compile the kernel to have
some errors ignored - usb or non critical submodules.
Most likely it is kernel related. What you could do is try find out what
causes the problem and find a fix. perhaps the users here can help.
In theory the DE has less to do with the kernel, so I would not expect this
to be related, but it could be in case of graphic card driver or alike that
there is a causal relation
regards
1:12 p.m.
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Hi!
Am Dienstag, 27. Juni 2017 schrieb deloptes:
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
No, it's not related to TDE. But it's the answer to:
add to the list:
- RDX drives lost hotplugging ability
- dmesg requires root
- did I mention systemd?
- X11 requires login manager
Nik, sorry but I don't see how this is related to TDE. > Idem, what is something wrong with Stretch ?
:-)
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1:25 p.m.
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
No, it's not related to TDE. But it's the
answer to:
The only problem I have so far with systemd is that when I shutdown it waits
for some tasks. As it was discussed here already I don't think we have to
go again for it. It was also in jessie and should have not changed much.
> Idem, what is something wrong with Stretch ?
26 Jun
26 Jun
9:16 a.m.
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Is it better to wait before upgrading Jessie to
Stretch ?
Is something wrong and particularly with TDE ?
I upgraded to Stretch last week. TDE
works perfectly fine, but you need to use preliminary stable
builds as there is no official release of latest stable TDE for Stretch. As others have
already
hinted there are some changes in Stretch. I suggest that you check the manual before
deciding
whether to upgrade or not:
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.e…
HTH
Janek
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1:56 p.m.
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On 06/26/17 09:16, Jan Stolarek wrote:
I'm writing this on Stretch because Stretch install killed Jessie!
I'm using preliminary stable with a fresh Stretch install on encrypted LVM.
fsck was complaining about metadata_csum, "you need to update fsck!"
I don't know how that flag got added as I built Stretch up from a
debootstrap on the already-created lvm partition.
I chrooted it to complete installation steps from within Jessie.
Now I find that the ethernet and wifi device names changed to
enp3s0b1/wlp2s0b1 and now they are enp3s0/wlp2s0 - I don't know why, but
hopefully it has sorted itself out.
I use wpa-supplicant to allow network access without a GUI.
Anyway the most recent 6 attempts to boot into Jessie (3.16.0-4-amd64
kernel) resulted in a low res screen with mouse and keyboard non-functional.
hope this helps!
Is it better
to wait before upgrading Jessie to Stretch ?
Is something wrong and particularly with TDE ?
I upgraded to Stretch last week.
TDE works perfectly fine, but you need to use preliminary stable
builds as there is no official release of latest stable TDE for Stretch. As others have
already
hinted there are some changes in Stretch. I suggest that you check the manual before
deciding
whether to upgrade or not:
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.e…
HTH
Janek
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30 Jun
9:46 a.m.
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Now I find that the ethernet and wifi device names
changed to
enp3s0b1/wlp2s0b1 and now they are enp3s0/wlp2s0 - I don't know why, but
hopefully it has sorted itself out.
Like I said, it might be worth to read the
upgrade manual link that I posted - it's explained
there.
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