(Repost: originally posted as a reply creating broken thread to "Re:
[trinity-devel] [Win+] shortcut default proposal - Efficient Desktop
Manipulation". Posted again to insure proper threading)
---------Original---------
This got missed at the meeting, so it's getting announced here: an initial
mascot and logo proposal.
The mascot doesn't have a name right now, just a cryptic designation of L315 so
it can be referred to as something until it has earned a name.
It represents the user's individual TDE installation, typically customized to
that user's needs, and as such, can be found in multiple strange configurations
and doing various things.
The Etherpad page is here:
http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/8
If you just want to look at a quick single image, here's L315 playing a game
with an Atari 2600 joystick: http://imagebin.org/143362 -- this is my second
favorite image so far.
I may add the plain image of L315 standing at attention at some point, but I'm
wondering if a better default pose is possible.
This includes a few situations and configurations of L315, and at the bottom
shows three applications of a simple and efficient logo derived from L315.
Logos need to be as simple as possible, and this one qualifies as simple, and is
directly tied to L315. My main worry is that there might be someone else with a
nearly identical logo that I don't know about.
What I need from you: nits with the implementation of the concept, with L315's
configuration, with the logo in the three icon ideas, and possibly with the
entire base idea I'm working with. Suggestions for improving the artwork only
apply if you have immediately fallen in love with L315. 8)
Important thing to remember: Failed branding mascots are by definition
forgettable. We want to to be memorable.
James Gholston
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I also tossed out the idea of a Phoenix as a logo/mascot "A phoenix dies a fiery
death but then rises again from the ashes." A good KDE3-Trinity analogy. (plus a
pretty cool looking logo)
A few ideas (for discussion only) I has many forms. The more abstract -- the better:
http://www.tchan.de/bilder/phoenixgross.gifhttp://davidalves.net/images/robocode/phoenix3.jpghttp://www.sightquest.com/images/cat/phoenixbird.jpghttp://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~torrey/phoenix.gifhttp://affiliates.art.com/get.art?T=15043079&A=028615&L=8&P=12617687&S=2&Y=0http://www.crimsonmonkey.com/phoenix.jpghttp://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS0Hr9P3nN8WTDzVAPx8O9a6yO--aCBsxhJ…http://hornconcerto.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/phoenix_force.jpg
--
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Hi Serghei,
Almost there, but I ran into this problem:
cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/opt/trinity/lib/kde3/kded_favicons.la': No
such file or directory
Looking through the CMake file did not turn up anything that looked
strange or incorrect, so I think you should take a look at it.
Thanks!
Tim
At the moment I do not have any system here with Trinity installed configured for a graphical login. I have only command line logins configured: I better fix that for testing!
When using a login manager and a graphical login, the user's default desktop is defined in $HOME/.dmrc.
What does that config file contain when the user selects Trinity as the default? Does Trinity set $HOME/.dmrc like this:
[Desktop]
Session=kde
Or like this:
[Desktop]
Session=trinity
Thanks.
Darrell
What is kdepim looking for here, I have tried cryus-sasl and libsasl to
no avail.....
*** sieve kioslave will not be built (because lack of sasl support)
Thanks
Hi,
I am noticing that some of the projects in svn have a "master"
directory while others have the codename for the release of that
distro. This has me wandering what's the preferred way to organize
svn.
Ark doesn't apply a codename and is doing packages for it's upcoming
release. The patches in the past with KDE3 would change occaisionally
with each 3.x release (e.g. 3.0 patches probably wouldn't work with
3.4).
Considering this, I'm thinking maybe have a Master where the most
recent patches and rpm spec go, and copy that over to a release (e.g.
2011.1 for this year, 2012.1 for next year) each time we release.
--
Kris
"Piki"
Ark Linux Webmaster
Trinity Desktop Environment Packager
Tim, All,
For a long time I used compiz with kde3 due to the efficient and elegant way
it allowed you to manage and manipulate your multiple desktops.
A majority of users have the default setting of 4 desktops, but never use
desktops 2-3-4 because there is no intuitive way to manipulate all desktops from
the keyboard. They just keep cramming all the windows they have open on desktop 1.
What compiz did was make use of the 'Win' key that is on 99% of the keyboards
now to allow easy desktop switching from the keyboard. This really makes using
desktops 2-4 efficient because you never have to reposition your hands from the
keyboard to grab the mouse and click on the pager or rt-click and choose another
desktop.
I know this is the nitty-gritty 'little-stuff', but that has always the
foundation of kde3 and it should continue in Trinity. I propose the following as
default keyboard shortcuts incorporating the 'Win' key. Try them out and you
will be amazed how much simpler switching desktops and moving windows between
desktops becomes using the keyboard. (the Win key is also in the correct
location to prevent losing your finger position over the 'F' and 'J' keys and
completely having to reposition your hands after affecting a switch or move from
the keyboard.
Try these out in kdeglobals:
Walk Through Desktops=Win+Tab
Switch to Next Desktop=Win+Right
Switch to Previous Desktop=Win+Left
Window to Next Desktop=Win+Alt+Right
Window to Previous Desktop=Win+Alt+Left
I added this to ietherpad :)
--
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Hi Serghei,
I have now run into this build problem:
http://quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net:58080/2052751/buildlog_ubuntu-maveri…
I have attempted to fix the
/kde/source/trinity/trinity/kdebase/doc/khelpcenter/CMakeLists.txt file,
but I think I may have just made the problem worse. Can you take a look
at it and fix it?
Thanks!
Tim
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#trinity-desktop-meeting: March Meeting
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* Bug Day (Xu_R, 23:26:02)
* [BOTW #xxx] is the bug of the week - we try to close one a week. :)
(Xu_R, 23:29:50)
* ACTION: leave bug day and such up to kb9vqf to decide. (Xu_R,
23:35:58)
* lingering serious bugs (Xu_R, 23:36:54)
* AGREED: kcontrol bug is fixed (Xu_R, 23:38:53)
* AGREED: Bug Days should be on a one month cycle. (Xu_R, 23:41:08)
* ACTION: Schedule Better Bug Days (Xu_R, 23:42:04)
* IDEA: [19:19] <@kb9vqf> how about people that can't make it to bug
day get to work on the BOTW? (Xu_R, 23:44:58)
* IDEA: dev day (Xu_R, 23:45:42)
* IDEA: [19:20] <Piki> samelian, we can concentrate on less
complicated bugs on bug day (Xu_R, 23:46:19)
* IDEA: BOTW bugs should be complex (kb9vqf, 23:47:13)
* IDEA: BOTW bugs should be prioritized based on importance (kb9vqf,
23:48:36)
* IDEA: There should be a list (etherpad?) of BOTW candidates
(kb9vqf, 23:48:49)
* (Xu_R, 23:51:50)
* [19:25] <Piki> i don't think BOTW should be based not on time, but
importance abd complexity, dev day should be the minor stuff (Xu_R,
23:52:02)
* [19:25] <@kb9vqf> Hence the idea for a list of high-priority complex
BOTW candidates (Xu_R, 23:52:11)
* [19:25] <@kb9vqf> If a BOTW is not fixed, it can be cycled back in
later on (Xu_R, 23:52:18)
* AGREED: Have (monthly?) dev days to squish minor bugs, use BOTW (and
a list) for very complex bugs (Xu_R, 23:53:18)
* Trinity Etherpad accounts (Xu_R, 23:56:23)
* cmake clarifications (Xu_R, 23:57:37)
* current status of cmake - fixing small bugs for kdebase (Xu_R,
00:00:11)
* ACTION: Piki will start helping out with cmake... soon. (Xu_R,
00:00:41)
* [19:37] <samelian> while I'm watching the meeting I finisied
kdepim/kresources/kolab :) (Xu_R, 00:02:55)
* AGREED: No need for a seperate channel for cmake right now. (Xu_R,
00:03:33)
* HELP: Port Trinity to cmake! Join #trinity-desktop and ask for
samelian for more details, or just email trinity-devel. (Xu_R,
00:04:54)
* kb9vqf was suggesting using the wiki for long term, and using
etherpad for short term (Xu_R, 00:06:53)
*
http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/CMakeConversionProce…
(samelian, 00:07:37)
* LINK:
http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/CMakeConversionProce…
(Xu_R, 00:07:53)
* ACTION: MutantTurkey (Calvin) can help continue documenting cmake
for other users to help port Trinity (Xu_R, 00:08:39)
* User Preferences (Xu_R, 00:11:36)
* These are suggestions that MIGHT be put into use later by the
Trinity team :) however, cmake is Highest priority (Xu_R, 00:12:19)
* IDEA: we should have a questionaire for people to answer about bugs,
usability, and improvements, and concentrate on bugs at first
(Piki, 00:12:22)
* IDEA: Which control center do you like better? The Qt4 styled or the
original Control center? (Xu_R, 00:12:51)
* IDEA: we should split kcontrol in two (samelian, 00:14:34)
* [19:52] <Borg^Queen> perf are what the user wants, settings are what
the user needs (Xu_R, 00:17:55)
* [19:57] <Anixx-suse> i think there are basically two categories:
those set by a user and those set by the root. there is no other
division (Xu_R, 00:23:40)
* many parents have asked for parental controls built in, for example
site blocking (Borg^Queen, 00:24:45)
* IDEA: many parents have asked for parental controls built in, for
example site blocking (Xu_R, 00:25:23)
* IDEA: can the questionair for my user also be made available on the
webpage? (Borg^Queen, 00:27:30)
* IDEA: , how about a suggestion box on the website as well?
(Borg^Queen, 00:27:49)
* IDEA: integrate trinity's systemsettings with kcontrol - because the
two should be together, not seperate, and the tree view should be
default. (Xu_R, 00:32:58)
* kcontrol is actually just a shell around a set of kcm modules
(samelian, 00:33:03)
* kcontrol is not visible on desktop menu entries in Trinity :-\ hence
the suggestion for merging the two. (Xu_R, 00:33:40)
* LINK: http://twitpic.com/4a5od0 This is the Trinity SystemSettings
:( Anixx-suse (Xu_R, 00:41:28)
* IDEA: Just merge systemsettings into kcontrol and make tree view the
default - it'll make people happy :) (Xu_R, 00:42:13)
* ACTION: Discuss kcontrol and systemsettings when kb9vqf is here
(Xu_R, 00:45:24)
* Distribution Support (Xu_R, 00:46:35)
* Arch is handled by David and Calvin, and they are making swift
progress. (Xu_R, 00:46:55)
* Debian and Ubuntu handled by kb9vqf - Nightly builds are *stalled*
on kdebase bugfixing (Xu_R, 00:47:38)
* Piki will start with Ark (not arch) next week (Piki, 00:47:46)
* Piki is Kris (Piki, 00:48:04)
* initial Gentoo support is made by me (samelian, 00:48:33)
* Fedora, Mandriva, and openSUSE are undergoing spec restructuring atm
- started today, committed about 10 items to trinity-packaging SVN
and mirrored to home build server (Xu_R, 00:48:53)
* LibreOffice KDE3 support for SuSE added (Xu_R, 00:51:16)
* Slackware support is at 3.5.12 for Slackware 12, currently going
about svn for slackware 13 (Xu_R, 00:51:49)
* ACTION: LibreOffice KDE3 file picker needs to be tested (Xu_R,
00:54:07)
* ACTION: Xu_R should sr patched Qt3 (3.3.8b with patch) to KDE:KDE3
soon (Xu_R, 00:54:47)
* Menus (Xu_R, 00:57:51)
* I was thinking X-TDE-* for Trinity menus to avoid conflict with kde4
(Xu_R, 00:58:41)
* AGREED: low priority issue, will be sorted out later. (Xu_R,
01:00:55)
* Keyboard Shortcuts (Xu_R, 01:01:44)
* AGREED: Skipping - ML conversation denotes most of this (Xu_R,
01:01:51)
* udev migration (Xu_R, 01:01:59)
* udev migration stalled because of cmake (Xu_R, 01:03:47)
* ACTION: check if k3b requires hal (Xu_R, 01:09:22)
* ACTION: document effect of no hal on kde3 is (Xu_R, 01:11:16)
* ACTION: check kde3 api in relation to hal (Xu_R, 01:13:24)
* Trinity Branding Issues (Xu_R, 01:15:25)
* LINK: http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/14 (Xu_R,
01:16:42)
* Usability checklist (Xu_R, 01:20:03)
* LINK:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en&pli=1&formkey=dEk2UzhBQXpuWm…
(MutantTurkey, 01:21:08)
* LINK:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en&pli=1&formkey=dEk2UzhBQXpuWm…
here is a preliminary of it on google docs (Xu_R, 01:21:24)
* ACTION: move usability checklist to kb9vqf's servers soon (Xu_R,
01:21:49)
* ACTION: search for form alternatives to Google Docs (Xu_R,
01:22:26)
* No, kb9vqf objects to using Google Docs (Xu_R, 01:22:36)
* LINK:
http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/TestsuiteAndChecklist
This is where the form will get its data (Xu_R, 01:24:51)
* ACTION: Xu_R move TestsuiteAndChecklist from wiki to Etherpad
(Xu_R, 01:25:55)
* Software Versions in Trinity (Xu_R, 01:26:37)
* IDEA: include hardware make up for users (Borg^Queen, 01:26:39)
* ACTION: make list of outdated software. double check all
applications (MutantTurkey, 01:28:38)
* Darell recalled outdated software versions in Trinity compared to
upstream (Xu_R, 01:28:45)
* LINK: http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/15 (MutantTurkey,
01:30:43)
* IDEA: check the official KDE3 branch SVN for patches (Anixx-suse,
01:31:09)
* ACTION: add Etherpad to website links (MutantTurkey, 01:33:32)
* ACTION: Xu_R help Anixx-suse with etherpad (Xu_R, 01:34:20)
* Trinity Efficiency Improvements (Xu_R, 01:34:42)
* some "windows keyboards" lock out changes in setup via software
(Borg^Queen, 01:37:48)
* ACTION: look into adding a new keyboard layout, or adding the win
keys to a current layout (since they aren't used yet)
(MutantTurkey, 01:39:10)
* IDEA: using Win keys to manage the desktop (or related) (Xu_R,
01:39:32)
* LINK:
http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/ss/walkthrough-desktops.jpg
(David_Rankin, 01:40:40)
* AGREED: Keep the discussion going on ML later. (Xu_R, 01:42:20)
* Porting to Qt4 (Xu_R, 01:42:36)
* LINK: http://imagebin.org/143288 (Xu_R, 01:42:44)
* LINK: http://imagebin.org/143288 TRINITY ON Qt4 (Xu_R, 01:43:14)
* Progress with TQt for Qt4 is going smoothly thanks to Tim (Xu_R,
01:48:02)
* Project SVN Server (Xu_R, 01:49:21)
* Tim set up an SVN server at svn.trinitydesktop.org to continue
development (Xu_R, 01:50:03)
* ACTION: David_Rankin needs to put PKGBUILDS on the svn
(MutantTurkey, 01:52:59)
* Website (Xu_R, 01:53:53)
* We had a new website put up (Xu_R, 01:54:01)
* LINK: http://trinitydesktop.org (MutantTurkey, 01:54:08)
* LINK: http://trinitydesktop.org (MutantTurkey, 01:54:12)
* LINK: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/ is the new domain (Xu_R,
01:54:13)
* TokRa has not shown (Xu_R, 01:55:06)
* Last remarks (Xu_R, 01:56:32)
* LINK: http://fosscon.org (MutantTurkey, 01:58:15)
Meeting ended at 01:58:48 UTC.
Action Items
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* - Document an action item in the minutes. Include any nicknames in the
line, and the item will be assigned to them. (nicknames are
case-sensitive)
* leave bug day and such up to kb9vqf to decide.
* Schedule Better Bug Days
* Piki will start helping out with cmake... soon.
* MutantTurkey (Calvin) can help continue documenting cmake for other
users to help port Trinity
* Discuss kcontrol and systemsettings when kb9vqf is here
* LibreOffice KDE3 file picker needs to be tested
* Xu_R should sr patched Qt3 (3.3.8b with patch) to KDE:KDE3 soon
* check if k3b requires hal
* document effect of no hal on kde3 is
* check kde3 api in relation to hal
* move usability checklist to kb9vqf's servers soon
* search for form alternatives to Google Docs
* Xu_R move TestsuiteAndChecklist from wiki to Etherpad
* make list of outdated software. double check all applications
* add Etherpad to website links
* Xu_R help Anixx-suse with etherpad
* look into adding a new keyboard layout, or adding the win keys to a
current layout (since they aren't used yet)
* David_Rankin needs to put PKGBUILDS on the svn
Action Items, by person
-----------------------
* Anixx-suse
* Xu_R help Anixx-suse with etherpad
* David_Rankin
* David_Rankin needs to put PKGBUILDS on the svn
* kb9vqf
* leave bug day and such up to kb9vqf to decide.
* Discuss kcontrol and systemsettings when kb9vqf is here
* move usability checklist to kb9vqf's servers soon
* MutantTurkey
* MutantTurkey (Calvin) can help continue documenting cmake for other
users to help port Trinity
* Piki
* Piki will start helping out with cmake... soon.
* Xu_R
* Xu_R should sr patched Qt3 (3.3.8b with patch) to KDE:KDE3 soon
* Xu_R move TestsuiteAndChecklist from wiki to Etherpad
* Xu_R help Anixx-suse with etherpad
* **UNASSIGNED**
* - Document an action item in the minutes. Include any nicknames in
the line, and the item will be assigned to them. (nicknames are
case-sensitive)
* Schedule Better Bug Days
* LibreOffice KDE3 file picker needs to be tested
* check if k3b requires hal
* document effect of no hal on kde3 is
* check kde3 api in relation to hal
* search for form alternatives to Google Docs
* make list of outdated software. double check all applications
* add Etherpad to website links
* look into adding a new keyboard layout, or adding the win keys to a
current layout (since they aren't used yet)
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* samelian (81)
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