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by Darrell Anderson

If both desktop environments are built to install to different locations, can the desktops coexist peacefully or will there be problems? I know Trinity is supposed to coexist peacefully with KDE 4 so why not KDE 3 too? Has anybody successfuly tried this? I ask because I need to test my packages on a real machine after testing in a virtual machine. My only candidates for this testing have KDE 3.5.10 installed. I want to know ahead of time what kind of problems I might or will experience. Thanks! Darrell

13 years, 2 months

Branding issue

by Darrell Anderson

In 3.5.13 KPersonalizer, System Behavior (second screen) the option KDE (TM) should be TDE (TM). Let me know if this is easily fixed in SVN/GIT. If not I'll file a bug report. Darrell

13 years, 2 months

Wiki Heading

by Darrell Anderson

The wiki heading says KDE3/Trinity Desktop Environment. We should change that to only Trinity Desktop Environment. Darrell

13 years, 2 months

Improving the Web Site and Adding Documentation

by Darrell Anderson

Do we have access to the old KDE web site pages? The Trinity web site provides no package description pages like the old KDE web site. I think we could use such pages. I'm no HTML expert but if we have an archive of the old kde web site I am willing to help massage the old pages into Trinity pages. Second, I noticed when building the 3.5.13 packages from tarballs that some of the old /usr/doc files were not part of the binary packages. Fair enough, most of that was stale and useless. However, there is a readme file in every package and the file says nothing more than to visit the wiki to learn how to build each package. The wiki is lacking in specific package information. I can update the wiki but I don't know what is relevant. That is, I had to heavily patch a few 3.5.13 packages in Slackware, but I don't know whether that is true for other distros. I had to do some serious head scratching to get some packages to build and having specific information would have helped. Perhaps an improved approach is to create a wiki page for each package with instructions for building. That documentation should be duplicated in the package readme file. Many of the pages will be repetitive because they require nothing different or unique. Or create individual pages only for those packages that require different build options. Certainly any package that requires one or more patches needs that information. Lastly, long ago I mentioned the idea of a Trinity user's guide. Something that allows multiple output options, such as HTML, and PDF. Packagers could add a desktop icon to the generic user profile and first time users would see the icon right away. Several distro maintainers do this and I always liked the idea. The user's guide would be part of the Trinity web site too. I am willing to help. I'm not demanding anything :) --- just trying to start conversations. I welcome that GIT and bug quashing have priority for 3.5.14. I want that to succeed --- especially the bug quashing. :) I think documentation is something that can grow and mature on the side. Do we need a plan? Darrell

13 years, 2 months

OpenBSD port proposition

by Vadim Zhukov

Hello all. I'm currently working on porting fresh KDE 4 to OpenBSD (there were attempts earlier but without that much success) and currently seeking for the ways to make KDE 3 (which OpenBSD already have in ports, and it's working well) and upcoming KDE 4 co-exist. Not so long (shame on me!) ago I was notified about the existence of Trinity Desktop. One of the main goals of Trinity, as I've seen, is the co-existence of KDE 3 and KDE 4 too. This way I became interested in porting Trinity to OpenBSD, replacing KDE 3. So the question is: will you accept patches for OpenBSD? Some "desktop" projects turn Linux-only nowadays, and nobody want to constantly maintain all the patches that obviously will be needed for porting on a different O/S with different kernel and specifics. From my own side, I can help in porting to Qt4 and, of course, in making Trinity and KDE 4 build and run simultaneously. Thanks in advance for your reply, and all the best to Trinity. :) -- WBR, Vadim Zhukov

13 years, 2 months

Using KDM

by Darrell Anderson

I would appreciate comments/observations from people who have tested using Trinity KDM to run KDE 4 and KDE 4 KDM to run Trinity. Thanks. Darrell

13 years, 2 months

Proposed About/FAQ Draft

by Darrell Anderson

I started a proposed draft of a new About/FAQ page for the web site. You'll find the document in the Etherpad "Official FAQ and Q&A" pad. This is a PROPOSED document. Please keep the document internal to Etherpad members. I volunteer to coordinate editorial changes but prefer to forward the final document to the webmaster for updating the web site. Who is the webmaster? Please use the original text document I submitted (you'll find that in the Etherpad) and forward your mark up to me so I can diff the files. This is a draft process. Nothing is etched in stone. Nothing yet is being uploaded to the web site. How do we want to approve the final copy of the draft? Darrell

13 years, 2 months

Fwd: Re: [trinity-devel] Fwd: Re: [opensuse-factory] The release notes/product highlights for 12.1

by Serghei Amelian

Hello, I really dislike this kind of childish conflicts :( ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Fwd: Re: [trinity-devel] Fwd: Re: [opensuse-factory] The release notes/product highlights for 12.1 Date: Saturday 12 November 2011, 00:10:49 From: Ilya Chernykh <anixxsus(a)gmail.com> To: Serghei Amelian <serghei(a)thel.ro> Hi, Sergei! Since Pearson accused me in criminal violations and banned from the mailing list, please forward my last response which I was unable to post with an answer about crimes I allegedly commited. ------------------------------------------------------- -- Serghei

13 years, 2 months

Fwd: additional programs for 3.5.13

by Werner Joss

as stated below, I forward this here, maybe there is an interest to include e.g. kasablanca, kio-ftps or keurocalc in the official 3.5.13 (or 14) repo ? in addition, I saw that all locales for koffice-trinity are missing. I think, these should they be included, in any case. (I like koffice 1.6.3 very much, especially kspread/kword, it's lightweight, fast and more than sufficient for simple tasks..) werner ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: additional programs for 3.5.13 Date: Sonntag, 13. November 2011, 12:16:10 From: Werner Joss <werner(a)hoernerfranzracing.de> An: trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net hello all, I just want to announce that I have now succeeded in building most of my favourite kde 3.5 applications which are not in the trinity repos, for trinity 3.5.13 on debian squeeze, see http://www.hoernerfranzracing.de/zip/trinity/index.html if anyone is interested, feel free to check them out. but keep in mind, that these are _not_ official trinity packages, nor guaranteed to work as expected, though I can confirm *worksforme* :) werner p.s.: I'll also ask on the devel list if there is interest for any of these to be incorporated in the official trinity applications tree (in which case I will first have to learn how to build proper debian packages...) -------------------------------------------------------

13 years, 2 months

Mankind Needs KDE3! Ilya and Tim Please Reconcile! was: Appeal for freedom of speech

by Mark S Bilk

Dear Ilya and Timothy, I am using OpenSuse 11.4 with KDE:KDE3 and am VERY grateful for it! Many thanks, Ilya! At the same time, I'm also very interested in the Trinity Desktop. Thanks, Timothy for all the great effort you are putting into it! KDE:KDE3 and Trinity are brother projects. The hostility between the two of you must stop. Timothy, you have made a beginning on this. Ilya, please accept Tim's effort toward reconciliation. Both of you please think back to the time when you felt good toward each other, and restore that feeling now! Forget the angry things that were said. Just begin anew emotionally! This is needed for the benefit, and perhaps the survival, of the human race! I say that because KDE4 has been crippled in various ways. Crippled KDE4 creates a crippled GNU/Linux! But the people of the world greatly need fully functional Linux for worldwide communication and political and economic organization. At this unique moment in history, the world is at a crossroads. The people of this planet have been dominated by wealthy and powerful psychopaths for thousands of years. These monsters control most of our governments and news media. But now with the Internet, people have been exchanging accurate information about how the world works, and what's really going on. Free open-source software runs the Internet, and it is also much more resistant than proprietary software to the increasing efforts by governments and corporations to censor the Net. The human race needs fully functional GNU/Linux with the power of KDE3, not crippled KDE4! KDE4 has been crippled in many ways. The desktop names in the KDE4 desktop pager are not readable, so any more than about 4 desktops are very hard to use. I use 20 desktops. KDE4 enforces the use of the phonon audio system, which won't work with the audio chip of my merely 4 year old Asus motherboard, and many others as well. These two things alone are sufficient to persuade many Linux experts not to recommend Linux with KDE4 to people, at least not enthusiastically. Linux must support the older machines found in less wealthy nations. The bullshit KDE4 marketing ploy of renaming everything "plasma-this" and "plasma-that", as if they really invented something new, and the ridiculously complex and useless visual theming system for every tiny part of the GUI, and the stupid "cashews" and the poor UI for adjusting the panels, etc, etc, are also very offensive to rational, thinking people. We don't like to be manipulated! Without a good KDE -- which means KDE3, not KDE4 -- Linux will not be widely recommended by expert Linux users, and thus will not be widely adopted by new people. The other desktop environments are becoming more oriented toward small-screen tablets and mobile phones, which are not suitable for getting real work done, and storing and organizing large amounts of data on multiple subjects, for thinking people with multiple interests (power users). Without wide adoption of Linux and other free software, for communication and organization of the emerging World Community of people, humanity will suffer even more under the military and economic attacks by various corporate-controlled governments than it has already. KDE was always the DE of choice among Linux power users before KDE4. The crippled KDE4 means crippled Linux for any distro that does not also offer easy selection of KDE3. The world is now at a major turning point in history that can lead either to total domination by the wealthy, and thus world fascism and war, or to a World Community where all people benefit from economic activity and work and share ideas together. Excellent, functional Linux, which means fully functional KDE3, is vital to history turning in a good direction now, since it's essential for communication and organization among the people of the world. It also serves as a model of how sharing instead of competing can work in areas other than software. This is already happening in the publication of scientific papers freely accessible on the Web. So, Ilya and Timothy, the results of your work go far beyond a set of software. No one knows how close we are to total nuclear annihilation by the vicious wars of the governments controlled by the ultra-wealthy, or to an electronic and computer enforced worldwide fascist police state far worse than what the Nazis and Stalinists created. The human race needs to pull out of this nose-dive into extinction, and that means very good worldwide communication via the Net and personal computers, which means Linux and KDE3. So please, Ilya, accept Tim's efforts of reconciliation. Both of you please stop saying anything negative about the other person and project for a while. If you need to criticize, please do it gently, kindly, and constructively. The work you are doing is extremely important! Both of you please re-think whether one or the other or both projects can be upstream (I don't really know what that means). Just forget about previous negative feelings toward each other. Lots of people are trying to save the human species from attacks by real monster psychopaths with weapons that can kill millions. The two of you may not have realized it, but your efforts and successes with KDE3, and thus with the increased worldwide adoption of GNU/Linux can help humankind substantially! Sincerely, Mark S Bilk mark(a)cosmicpenguin.com phone 650-968-1065 any time

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