23 Nov
2011
23 Nov
'11
2:53 a.m.
On Tuesday 22 November 2011 02:34:31 pm Darrell Anderson wrote:
Unfortunately having at least basic support for MS Office documents should be considered.
As I said, I don't think it should be a main concern, but certainly considered in the
future. There are people, myself included, who cannot afford MS software, yet many of us
require support for MS Office format for our jobs and/or education, but can't always
stay at work or school long enough to finish these. Sure, it's easy to convert to RTF
for home use, but what if the boss expects it to be emailed using MS Office format? Just
something to consider.
I just installed and opened KOffice. I like the menu idea (as in, the templates menu that
shows when a KOffice app is opened). I definitely think this idea should be discussed as
far as improvements are concerned, and that more templates should be included.
I haven't yet confirmed the ODF issue, but that definitely needs looked at to see if
it needs updating.
I will definitely spend more time in KOffice. Even if it does use an old version of ODF,
I'm sure OOo/LO will still open it. I'll see if I can come up with more pros and
cons for KOffice.
--
Kristopher Gamrat
Ark Linux webmaster
http://www.arklinux.org/
Well there are
certain applications like Krita that are not
replaceable, and no other programs currently provide their
functions.
Anyway, this discussion has already happened a while back.
Yes, there was a discussion this past summer. The only thing decided was KOffice was not
going to be deprecated or abandoned for 3.5.13. Several people noted KOffice provides
several apps that have no other TDE replacements. That more or less ended the discussion.
That is why I included the full list in my first post starting this thread:
KWord: Word Processing
KSpread: Spreadsheets
KPresenter: Slide Presentations
Karbon14: Scalable Graphics Drawing
KPlato: Project Management
Kexi: Database Creator
Kugar: Database Report Generator
KChart: Chart and Graph Creator
Kivio: Flowchart and Diagram Editing
Chalk: Painting and Image Editing
KFormula: Formula Editor
There are arguments for replacing KOffice with OO/LO, or at least stripping KOffice of
those apps and repackaging the remainder as individual packages. I'm unconvinced we
should rapidly embrace such an approach. As I mentioned, I have not used KWord but I am
researching the app and hope to find time to start some serious testing. As a tech writer
for almost three decades I think I am qualified to judge KWord. :)
I think we need caution about discarding KOffice. A common statement made by several thus
far is few are using the KOffice apps to formulate a qualified option what to do. We need
to hear from those who do.
Perhaps several of us can do just that --- test one or two apps in a meaningful manner
and provide a report to the team. I mean meaningful testing, not cursory baloney as seen
in so many online "reviews."
If you are an experiencd spreadsheet number cruncher person then spend a few days
evaluating various aspects of KSpread. If you having drawing talent then evaluate Chalk
(a.k.a. Krita) and Karbon14. If you are a local PowerPoint guru then evaluate KPresenter.
Somebody should evaluate KPlato. For example, would KPlato help a person with building a
home?
Any evaluation should not be how these apps compare to MS Office, but are they palatable
for most people for many tasks? Don't look for missing escoteric features. Forget
about importing and exporting MS Office files. Focus on usability by typical users with
common needs.
I have a feeling KOffice might surprise us all, me included.
With that said, I am not against supporting OO/LO as long as that focus is tight
integration with TDE. I hate the OO/LO file picker dialogs. They are useless compared to
KDialog. Menu and toolbar look-and-feel needs help. Tim was working on some of that a
while ago but I don't what happened. I think Tim told the LO people the TDE team would
maintain the hooks needed for TDE integration.
Perhaps after R14 we can have a serious discussion about the future of KOffice. Yet I
don't think any such discussion will be valid unless we perform some serious testing
and evaluations.
Certainly not an R14 topic of concern but perhaps R15.