13 Feb
2012
13 Feb
'12
6:12 p.m.
On Monday, February 13, 2012 10:59:10 Timothy Pearson wrote:
I have repeatedly gone out of my way to state that
KDE4 is a perfectly
valid desktop along with all the rest (Gnome, XFCE, etc). available for
Linux. I have NEVER started a KDE4 bashing thread, and have always tried
to differentiate based on feature sets and workflows instead of claiming
that "TDE does everything".
please read your email in response to Darrell Anderson. read his email too.
note the ignorance (as in: both of you lack knowledge of what you speak) in
both emails coupled with the overt negativity ..
remember, Timothy, your response was: "Very well said Darrell." after which
you made a number of false statements about Qt4, widgets and style defaults in
KDE 4.
Almost every major argument comes up as a
result of the KDE project bashing TDE or trying to replace core components
willy-nilly, as happened most recently.
you are in denial.
go back and look at TDE's last release announcement communication.
try to find a similar posting to slashdot or any other public news site about
TDE from KDE as we have seen already from TDE.
look through the threads on this list and all the rubbish thrown around about
KDE. your email about styles and "point and click interaction in widgets" is a
fun romp rife with ignorance; though when compared to emails asserting people
might be being paid off by Microsoft to destroy KDE, it's a relatively harmless
example.
then go and try to find a similar thread on a KDE list.
the icing on this case is that when you get the all-to-easy-to-predict
negative response you then play the victim? please.
That said, TDE users have a different opinion of how
"today's
applications" should look, feel, smell, act, and quack. :-)
that's fine. but somehow TDE users also don't know how to hold an opinion
that's different from others without obnoxious about it, nor do they seem to be
held back by ignorance when deciding to make a statement.
I don't see
any reason that this differing opinion should be treated any differently
than the continual ideological disagreement between the Gnome devs and the
KDE devs (e.g. how a file dialog should look and act)--politely, without
attempts to change user visible elements of the other desktop environment.
if you want to talk about politeness, TDE needs to learn how to manage this. i
waved an olive branch quite a while ago in response to utterly *vile*
communication around a TDE release. there was no reason to do this, only
reasonability and the hope that we could reach a polite and adult level of
interaction. TDE's community seems incapable of it.
btw, who is trying to change the visible elements in TDE?
What seems to be lost here is that I actually went out
of my way to add
the ability to use kwin4 in TDE. Because I didn't replace twin outright
(even though I have outlined the steps many times before that would be
required to even consider replacement) Martin went off on a TDE bashing
spree.
adding the ability to _use_ kwin4 misses the entire point of what Martin was
outlining.
and his "TDE bashing spree" was one blog in which he spent most of his time
pointing to emails written by the TDE community and noting _evidence_ showing
how the current approach to maintain the 3.5 code base was running into
problems.
had the TDE community treated people, including Martin, with respect and
politely declined in this case for whatever reason, i'm sure none of this
would be happening. but no, you have this need as a group to fling poo at
people.
you (the TDE community) have an attitude problem coupled with a penchance for
speaking without having done the research. fix that, and you'll find your
desired politeness following.
If anything, this is immature. I have repeatedly
asked him for
the technical reasons that he considers twin changes to have "broken" it,
and I still do not have an answer.
having read his blog entry, i got the answers to that. why didn't you?
I would hate to see you go;
and yet you've managed to make it happen. something to consider.
With the exception of a few who want to squash the
TDE traitors at all cost, I have no issues whatsoever with the KDE
developers, and wish them the best of luck with their modern desktop
environment.
yet that is not reflected in the actions and words of people involved with TDE.
it's not even reflected in the tone of your own writing in other emails. so you
can write this as many times over as you want, it isn't going to improve
anything.
--
Aaron J. Seigo