Answers to the most recent emails of both deloptes and Slávek, in that order:
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 18:56 (+0100), deloptes via tde-devels wrote:
please answer Slaveks question how you exactly run TDE.
usually I log in via the TDM (login manager) it then takes care to set all the pieces needed to run TDE properly. If you did so - what is the status of your user profile - any old stuff or whatever - perhaps try with a fresh user
I reconfigured my system to use TDM. If I used that *and* chose the TDE session, kcontrol now has a populated left pane.
Running TDM and choosing another session type (e.g., lxde) did not do the trick.
So I speculate my original question is answered, in that apparently I don't need additional packages.
Instead, I pose a new question: why does kcontrol work on my other system (described in my next comment below) and not on raspian?
tdebase-trinity usually pulls the whole set of packages needed to run TDE.
Well, maybe it should, but I guess it depends on what one exactly means "to run TDE".
exactly this is what we are trying to find out - because TDE is the desktop it covers all the pieces. However you are talking about korganiser (the calendar piece as part of the tdepim)
Yes, I am mainly interested in korganizer. On my current system (Slackware64 14-2, running xdm and fvwm2, using the Slackbuilds on github to compile R14.0.5), kcontrol has a properly-populated left pane, even though I am not using tdm and I am not logging in to a TDE session.
Sorry it wasn't clear above... when I try to configure korganizer's date and time (i.e., the way it presents the date and time, I am not trying to change the system time), using the korganizer menu item "Settings/Configure Date & Time ..." I get that message.
This actually invokes the part for the locale settings (I think it is part of the tdebase and you have already installed it)
For completeness: As mentioned previously, I am OK with just the default locale.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION which may or may not help: When I start up kcontrol, the pane on the left which should have all sort of things (in an older version of TFE on another computer I have "Appearance & Themes", "Desktop", "Internet & Network", and so on) is empty. So, again, it can't find whatever it is looking for.
According to the output of an incantation I found on line, there are 1037 packages with "trinity" in the name which I have not (yet) installed. I guess I could just bite the bullet and start randomly installing things, but if anyone can share some wisdom, it would be most appreciated.
dpkg -l | grep trinity
ii kamera-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf digital camera io_slave for Konqueror ii kappfinder-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf non-TDE application finder for TDE ii kate-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf advanced text editor for TDE ii kcontrol-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf control center for TDE ii kcron-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf the Trinity crontab editor ii kdat-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf a Trinity tape backup tool ii kdeadmin-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all Transitional dummy package. This can be safely removed after your TDE upgrade has completed. ii kdesktop-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf miscellaneous binaries and files for the Trinity desktop ii kfind-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf file-find utility for TDE ii kghostview-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf PostScript viewer for Trinity ii khelpcenter-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf help center for TDE ii kicker-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf desktop panel for TDE ii klipper-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf clipboard utility for Trinity ii kmenuedit-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf menu editor for TDE ii knetworkconf-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity network configuration tool ii konqueror-nsplugins-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Netscape plugin support for Konqueror ii konqueror-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf TDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer ii konsole-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf X terminal emulator for TDE ii korganizer-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity personal organizer ii kpackage-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity package management tool ii kpager-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf desktop pager for TDE ii kpersonalizer-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf installation personalizer for TDE ii kregexpeditor-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf graphical regular expression editor plugin for Trinity ii ksmserver-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf session manager for TDE ii ksnapshot-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf screenshot utility for Trinity ii ksplash-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf the TDE splash screen ii ksysguard-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf system guard for TDE ii ksysguardd-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf system guard daemon for TDE ii ksysv-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity SysV-style init configuration editor ii ktip-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf useful tips for TDE ii kuser-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity user/group administration tool ii libarts1c2a-trinity:armhf 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf aRts sound system core components ii libartsc0-trinity:armhf 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf aRts sound system C support library ii libkcddb1-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf CDDB library for Trinity ii libkleopatra1-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf TDE GnuPG interface libraries ii libkmime2-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity MIME interface library ii libkonq4-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf core libraries for Konqueror ii libkpimexchange1-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity PIM Exchange library ii libkpimidentities1-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity PIM user identity information library ii libktnef1-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Library for handling KTNEF email attachments ii libtdepim1a-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity PIM library ii libtqt3-integration-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Integration library between TQt3 and TDE ii tde-systemsettings-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf easy to use control centre for TDE ii tdeadmin-tdefile-plugins-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf Trinity file metainfo plugins for deb and rpm files ii tdeadmin-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all system administration tools from the official Trinity release ii tdebase-data-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all shared data files for the TDE base module ii tdebase-runtime-data-common-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all Shared common files for Trinity and KDE4 ii tdebase-tdeio-plugins-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf core I/O slaves for TDE ii tdebase-tdeio-smb-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf SMB I/O slave for TDE ii tdebase-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all base components from the official TDE release ii tdebase-trinity-bin 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf core binaries for the TDE base module ii tdelibs-data-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 all core shared data for all TDE applications ii tdelibs14-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf core libraries and binaries for all TDE applications ii tdemultimedia-tdeio-plugins-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf enables the browsing of audio CDs under Konqueror ii tdepasswd-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf password changer for TDE ii tdeprint-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf print system for TDE ii tdm-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf X display manager for TDE ii trinity-keyring 4:14.0.10~pre0-0debian7.0.0+1 all GnuPG keys of the Trinity Desktop Environment repository ii twin-trinity 4:14.0.9-0raspbian10.0.0+0 armhf the TDE window manager
dpkg -l | grep trinity | wc -l
59
what packages and how many do you have?
As above.
are they fully installed (line starts with ii)
So dpkg claims.
if packages are not fully installed or missing - this could explain the issue.
I installed yesterday the RPi4 by installing tdebase-trinity & co - about 50 or 100 packages. Then I installed tdepim and some other that pulled many dependencies - about 700+
I did not install tdepim because I just wanted korganizer.
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 19:00 (+0100), Slávek Banko via tde-devels wrote:
On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 18:42:12 Jim via tde-devels wrote:
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 17:36 (+0100), Slávek Banko via tde-devels
wrote:
On Wednesday 13 of January 2021 16:49:00 Jim via tde-devels wrote:
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION which may or may not help: When I start up kcontrol, the pane on the left which should have all sort of things (in an older version of TFE on another computer I have "Appearance & Themes", "Desktop", "Internet & Network", and so on) is empty. Â So, again, it can't find whatever it is looking for.
According to the output of an incantation I found on line, there are 1037 packages with "trinity" in the name which I have not (yet) installed. I guess I could just bite the bullet and start randomly installing things, but if anyone can share some wisdom, it would be most appreciated.
Are you running a full TDE session or just a single application?
Just a single application korganizer (of course, running korganizer starts some of its friends, such as artsd and korgac and dcopserver and knotify and kded and tdeinit and tdelauncher and tdeio_file).
At this point, korganizer seems to be working fine, with the exception that I can't configure a few things related to date and time.
Ok, I thought so, that explains it. There is a problem that when used without a full session, windows like kcontrol do not work properly. Unfortunately, the cause of this problem has not yet been traced.
OK, thanks for that information.
Can you try it in a full TDE session?
Yes, as described above, if by "full session" we mean do both -> use tdm display manager and -> start TDE session then it works.
Given my "essentially nil" understanding of the code base, I don't know if I can be much help tracking this down, but if you want me to give something a try, just let me know.
Cheers.
Jim