17 Mar
2011
17 Mar
'11
1:38 a.m.
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#trinity-desktop-meeting: March Meeting
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* Bug Day (Xu_R, 23:26:02)
* [BOTW #xxx] is the bug of the week - we try to close one a week. :)
(Xu_R, 23:29:50)
* ACTION: leave bug day and such up to kb9vqf to decide. (Xu_R,
23:35:58)
* lingering serious bugs (Xu_R, 23:36:54)
* AGREED: kcontrol bug is fixed (Xu_R, 23:38:53)
* AGREED: Bug Days should be on a one month cycle. (Xu_R, 23:41:08)
* ACTION: Schedule Better Bug Days (Xu_R, 23:42:04)
* IDEA: [19:19] <@kb9vqf> how about people that can't make it to bug
day get to work on the BOTW? (Xu_R, 23:44:58)
* IDEA: dev day (Xu_R, 23:45:42)
* IDEA: [19:20] <Piki> samelian, we can concentrate on less
complicated bugs on bug day (Xu_R, 23:46:19)
* IDEA: BOTW bugs should be complex (kb9vqf, 23:47:13)
* IDEA: BOTW bugs should be prioritized based on importance (kb9vqf,
23:48:36)
* IDEA: There should be a list (etherpad?) of BOTW candidates
(kb9vqf, 23:48:49)
* (Xu_R, 23:51:50)
* [19:25] <Piki> i don't think BOTW should be based not on time, but
importance abd complexity, dev day should be the minor stuff (Xu_R,
23:52:02)
* [19:25] <@kb9vqf> Hence the idea for a list of high-priority complex
BOTW candidates (Xu_R, 23:52:11)
* [19:25] <@kb9vqf> If a BOTW is not fixed, it can be cycled back in
later on (Xu_R, 23:52:18)
* AGREED: Have (monthly?) dev days to squish minor bugs, use BOTW (and
a list) for very complex bugs (Xu_R, 23:53:18)
* Trinity Etherpad accounts (Xu_R, 23:56:23)
* cmake clarifications (Xu_R, 23:57:37)
* current status of cmake - fixing small bugs for kdebase (Xu_R,
00:00:11)
* ACTION: Piki will start helping out with cmake... soon. (Xu_R,
00:00:41)
* [19:37] <samelian> while I'm watching the meeting I finisied
kdepim/kresources/kolab :) (Xu_R, 00:02:55)
* AGREED: No need for a seperate channel for cmake right now. (Xu_R,
00:03:33)
* HELP: Port Trinity to cmake! Join #trinity-desktop and ask for
samelian for more details, or just email trinity-devel. (Xu_R,
00:04:54)
* kb9vqf was suggesting using the wiki for long term, and using
etherpad for short term (Xu_R, 00:06:53)
*
http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/CMakeConversionProce…
(samelian, 00:07:37)
* LINK:
http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/CMakeConversionProce…
(Xu_R, 00:07:53)
* ACTION: MutantTurkey (Calvin) can help continue documenting cmake
for other users to help port Trinity (Xu_R, 00:08:39)
* User Preferences (Xu_R, 00:11:36)
* These are suggestions that MIGHT be put into use later by the
Trinity team :) however, cmake is Highest priority (Xu_R, 00:12:19)
* IDEA: we should have a questionaire for people to answer about bugs,
usability, and improvements, and concentrate on bugs at first
(Piki, 00:12:22)
* IDEA: Which control center do you like better? The Qt4 styled or the
original Control center? (Xu_R, 00:12:51)
* IDEA: we should split kcontrol in two (samelian, 00:14:34)
* [19:52] <Borg^Queen> perf are what the user wants, settings are what
the user needs (Xu_R, 00:17:55)
* [19:57] <Anixx-suse> i think there are basically two categories:
those set by a user and those set by the root. there is no other
division (Xu_R, 00:23:40)
* many parents have asked for parental controls built in, for example
site blocking (Borg^Queen, 00:24:45)
* IDEA: many parents have asked for parental controls built in, for
example site blocking (Xu_R, 00:25:23)
* IDEA: can the questionair for my user also be made available on the
webpage? (Borg^Queen, 00:27:30)
* IDEA: , how about a suggestion box on the website as well?
(Borg^Queen, 00:27:49)
* IDEA: integrate trinity's systemsettings with kcontrol - because the
two should be together, not seperate, and the tree view should be
default. (Xu_R, 00:32:58)
* kcontrol is actually just a shell around a set of kcm modules
(samelian, 00:33:03)
* kcontrol is not visible on desktop menu entries in Trinity :-\ hence
the suggestion for merging the two. (Xu_R, 00:33:40)
* LINK: http://twitpic.com/4a5od0 This is the Trinity SystemSettings
:( Anixx-suse (Xu_R, 00:41:28)
* IDEA: Just merge systemsettings into kcontrol and make tree view the
default - it'll make people happy :) (Xu_R, 00:42:13)
* ACTION: Discuss kcontrol and systemsettings when kb9vqf is here
(Xu_R, 00:45:24)
* Distribution Support (Xu_R, 00:46:35)
* Arch is handled by David and Calvin, and they are making swift
progress. (Xu_R, 00:46:55)
* Debian and Ubuntu handled by kb9vqf - Nightly builds are *stalled*
on kdebase bugfixing (Xu_R, 00:47:38)
* Piki will start with Ark (not arch) next week (Piki, 00:47:46)
* Piki is Kris (Piki, 00:48:04)
* initial Gentoo support is made by me (samelian, 00:48:33)
* Fedora, Mandriva, and openSUSE are undergoing spec restructuring atm
- started today, committed about 10 items to trinity-packaging SVN
and mirrored to home build server (Xu_R, 00:48:53)
* LibreOffice KDE3 support for SuSE added (Xu_R, 00:51:16)
* Slackware support is at 3.5.12 for Slackware 12, currently going
about svn for slackware 13 (Xu_R, 00:51:49)
* ACTION: LibreOffice KDE3 file picker needs to be tested (Xu_R,
00:54:07)
* ACTION: Xu_R should sr patched Qt3 (3.3.8b with patch) to KDE:KDE3
soon (Xu_R, 00:54:47)
* Menus (Xu_R, 00:57:51)
* I was thinking X-TDE-* for Trinity menus to avoid conflict with kde4
(Xu_R, 00:58:41)
* AGREED: low priority issue, will be sorted out later. (Xu_R,
01:00:55)
* Keyboard Shortcuts (Xu_R, 01:01:44)
* AGREED: Skipping - ML conversation denotes most of this (Xu_R,
01:01:51)
* udev migration (Xu_R, 01:01:59)
* udev migration stalled because of cmake (Xu_R, 01:03:47)
* ACTION: check if k3b requires hal (Xu_R, 01:09:22)
* ACTION: document effect of no hal on kde3 is (Xu_R, 01:11:16)
* ACTION: check kde3 api in relation to hal (Xu_R, 01:13:24)
* Trinity Branding Issues (Xu_R, 01:15:25)
* LINK: http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/14 (Xu_R,
01:16:42)
* Usability checklist (Xu_R, 01:20:03)
* LINK:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en&pli=1&formkey=dEk2Uz…
(MutantTurkey, 01:21:08)
* LINK:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en&pli=1&formkey=dEk2Uz…
here is a preliminary of it on google docs (Xu_R, 01:21:24)
* ACTION: move usability checklist to kb9vqf's servers soon (Xu_R,
01:21:49)
* ACTION: search for form alternatives to Google Docs (Xu_R,
01:22:26)
* No, kb9vqf objects to using Google Docs (Xu_R, 01:22:36)
* LINK:
http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/TestsuiteAndChecklist
This is where the form will get its data (Xu_R, 01:24:51)
* ACTION: Xu_R move TestsuiteAndChecklist from wiki to Etherpad
(Xu_R, 01:25:55)
* Software Versions in Trinity (Xu_R, 01:26:37)
* IDEA: include hardware make up for users (Borg^Queen, 01:26:39)
* ACTION: make list of outdated software. double check all
applications (MutantTurkey, 01:28:38)
* Darell recalled outdated software versions in Trinity compared to
upstream (Xu_R, 01:28:45)
* LINK: http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/15 (MutantTurkey,
01:30:43)
* IDEA: check the official KDE3 branch SVN for patches (Anixx-suse,
01:31:09)
* ACTION: add Etherpad to website links (MutantTurkey, 01:33:32)
* ACTION: Xu_R help Anixx-suse with etherpad (Xu_R, 01:34:20)
* Trinity Efficiency Improvements (Xu_R, 01:34:42)
* some "windows keyboards" lock out changes in setup via software
(Borg^Queen, 01:37:48)
* ACTION: look into adding a new keyboard layout, or adding the win
keys to a current layout (since they aren't used yet)
(MutantTurkey, 01:39:10)
* IDEA: using Win keys to manage the desktop (or related) (Xu_R,
01:39:32)
* LINK:
http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/ss/walkthrough-desktops.jpg
(David_Rankin, 01:40:40)
* AGREED: Keep the discussion going on ML later. (Xu_R, 01:42:20)
* Porting to Qt4 (Xu_R, 01:42:36)
* LINK: http://imagebin.org/143288 (Xu_R, 01:42:44)
* LINK: http://imagebin.org/143288 TRINITY ON Qt4 (Xu_R, 01:43:14)
* Progress with TQt for Qt4 is going smoothly thanks to Tim (Xu_R,
01:48:02)
* Project SVN Server (Xu_R, 01:49:21)
* Tim set up an SVN server at svn.trinitydesktop.org to continue
development (Xu_R, 01:50:03)
* ACTION: David_Rankin needs to put PKGBUILDS on the svn
(MutantTurkey, 01:52:59)
* Website (Xu_R, 01:53:53)
* We had a new website put up (Xu_R, 01:54:01)
* LINK: http://trinitydesktop.org (MutantTurkey, 01:54:08)
* LINK: http://trinitydesktop.org (MutantTurkey, 01:54:12)
* LINK: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/ is the new domain (Xu_R,
01:54:13)
* TokRa has not shown (Xu_R, 01:55:06)
* Last remarks (Xu_R, 01:56:32)
* LINK: http://fosscon.org (MutantTurkey, 01:58:15)
Meeting ended at 01:58:48 UTC.
Action Items
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* - Document an action item in the minutes. Include any nicknames in the
line, and the item will be assigned to them. (nicknames are
case-sensitive)
* leave bug day and such up to kb9vqf to decide.
* Schedule Better Bug Days
* Piki will start helping out with cmake... soon.
* MutantTurkey (Calvin) can help continue documenting cmake for other
users to help port Trinity
* Discuss kcontrol and systemsettings when kb9vqf is here
* LibreOffice KDE3 file picker needs to be tested
* Xu_R should sr patched Qt3 (3.3.8b with patch) to KDE:KDE3 soon
* check if k3b requires hal
* document effect of no hal on kde3 is
* check kde3 api in relation to hal
* move usability checklist to kb9vqf's servers soon
* search for form alternatives to Google Docs
* Xu_R move TestsuiteAndChecklist from wiki to Etherpad
* make list of outdated software. double check all applications
* add Etherpad to website links
* Xu_R help Anixx-suse with etherpad
* look into adding a new keyboard layout, or adding the win keys to a
current layout (since they aren't used yet)
* David_Rankin needs to put PKGBUILDS on the svn
Action Items, by person
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* Anixx-suse
* Xu_R help Anixx-suse with etherpad
* David_Rankin
* David_Rankin needs to put PKGBUILDS on the svn
* kb9vqf
* leave bug day and such up to kb9vqf to decide.
* Discuss kcontrol and systemsettings when kb9vqf is here
* move usability checklist to kb9vqf's servers soon
* MutantTurkey
* MutantTurkey (Calvin) can help continue documenting cmake for other
users to help port Trinity
* Piki
* Piki will start helping out with cmake... soon.
* Xu_R
* Xu_R should sr patched Qt3 (3.3.8b with patch) to KDE:KDE3 soon
* Xu_R move TestsuiteAndChecklist from wiki to Etherpad
* Xu_R help Anixx-suse with etherpad
* **UNASSIGNED**
* - Document an action item in the minutes. Include any nicknames in
the line, and the item will be assigned to them. (nicknames are
case-sensitive)
* Schedule Better Bug Days
* LibreOffice KDE3 file picker needs to be tested
* check if k3b requires hal
* document effect of no hal on kde3 is
* check kde3 api in relation to hal
* search for form alternatives to Google Docs
* make list of outdated software. double check all applications
* add Etherpad to website links
* look into adding a new keyboard layout, or adding the win keys to a
current layout (since they aren't used yet)
People Present (lines said)
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* Xu_R (326)
* Borg^Queen (119)
* MutantTurkey (118)
* Piki (116)
* Anixx-suse (107)
* samelian (81)
* David_Rankin (57)
* kb9vqf (20)
* Strangelv (13)
* TMarques (8)
* BQ-AFK (4)
* [lindaemon] (3)
* scrat (2)
* Guest11722 (2)
* Space_Man_ (1)
* NEW (1)
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