22 Jan
2012
22 Jan
'12
11:31 p.m.
On 22 January 2012 08:17, E. Liddell <ejlddll(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 20:15:24 -0800 (PST)
Darrell Anderson <humanreadable(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
A few milliseconds being executed often enough slows you down.
Calvin Morrison <mutantturkey(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> In other words, I see usefulness from
tdebindings.
>
> Meh. I see it like this: it is unlikely that any new
> developer with develop on the trinity platform with Python
> etc at this stage. Python and other languages are slow
> anyway. I see weaning off them as a good thing.
Unless you're already good at C++, just about any other language is going
to be faster
to program in. Programmer time is more valuable than machine time these
days for
the majority of applications--and for small- to medium-sized programs, no
one is going
to notice the difference in execution speed between one and three
milliseconds anyway.
If you love C++ and are good at it, that's fine,
but don't try to impose
your preferences
on others. In return, I'll spare you my rants on why it's suboptimal. ;)
I do not even like C++.
- *Being really good at C++ is like being really good at using rocks to
sharpen sticks.* -- Thant Tessman
- *If you think C++ is not overly complicated, just what is a protected
abstract virtual base pure virtual private destructor and when was the last
time you needed one?* -- Tom Cargill
- *Oh, definitely. C++ may not be the worst programming language ever
created, but without a doubt it's the worst ever to be taken seriously. --
Mason Wheeler
- *C++ is to C as Lung Cancer is to Lung.*
I'm listening if you have ideas. How would a
person integrate other
languages with TQt3? Rewrite everything
Not to mention start up, but also the overhead. A simple python script can
take 10Mb of memory very easily.
My real quarrel is this:
in C++? Probably not going to happen for many
people. If the bindings
exist then I see more people being
interested in adapting or integrating scripts.
I'm 98% sure that kdebindings is an integration package for kdelibs rather
than QT3
(or at least, I know of other QT packages for Java. Perl, etc.) In
theory, it should be
possible for a programmer who needs this stuff to rewrite a given set of
bindings
using the target language's integration system, but my experience with
doing things
like that suggests that it would be so painful that most just wouldn't
bother.
Slow compared to what? I'm learning Python
right now too. I have learned
that Python has a built-in
quasi compiler, that creates something called byte
code. I'm no expert in
that kind of jargon, but Python
will run faster than a pure interpreted language
like shell scripts. And
everything I have read thus far
indicates Python is not slow like Java.
Any interpreted language is going to be a bit slower than a compiled one
because the interpreter takes
time to start up (and bytecode is still interpreted, it's just interpreted
faster).
tdebindings is one of those packages most people
avoid
building. As a team, if we want to provide a quality
product, we need to ensure tdebindings will build even when
we personally don't have a use. :)
HOW CAN WE BUILD A QUALITY PRODUCT IF NOBODY UNDERSTANDS IT. Tim even
mentioned he won't mess with it because he doesn't use those languages. I
think we have to be kidding ourselves if we are trying to provide a
"quality product".