26 Dec
2014
26 Dec
'14
2:36 p.m.
On Friday 26 of December 2014 14:25:52 Michele Calgaro wrote:
Well, "too much" is subjective. Basically the "general" user is
trying to
upgrade from a previous kde-install, so this step is just installing
whatever package was not upgraded from step 2. On my wheezy installation
steps 2 install about 250 packages and step 3 about 200 if my memory is
right. The total is about 450, which is similar to the number you reported
on a previous email (http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/?0::14312)
Essential however is that in step 2 are updated 'all installed' packages.
Regardless of how was installed the previous version of TDE - whether the
packages were selected individually (as is in my case) or meta-package was
used (as are ordinary users). The only packages that are not updated in the
previous step are kde-trinity, kde-core-trinity and kde-devel-trinity ... and
possibly their new dependencies => new packages.
Therefore 406 new packages from my example is simply much, because it causes
installation a lot of packages that "I did not want to have" => I did not
installed intentionally. Therefore my proposal from previous mail to the
reformulation of step 3 to optional => "If you have installed metapackage
kde..." - see paragraph below.
I think that the proposed procedures are not mutually exclusive, but
complementary => no problem to combine it into a single process:
Steps 1) and 2) are identical.
Step 3) is optional => for users that have previously installed meta-packages
kde-trinity / kde-core-trinity / kde-devel-trinity.
Step 4) is optional => for advanced users who wants to do more housekeeping.
--
Slávek
On 12/26/2014 04:26 AM, Slávek Banko wrote:
Yes, 64 is perfectly fine, because on this test machine is not
installed "everything", but substantial and potentially conflicting packages.
On Tuesday 23 of December 2014 09:11:53 Michele
Calgaro wrote:
Note: only 64 new packages installed.
On 2014/12/22 07:26 PM, Slávek Banko wrote:
No problems.
On Monday 22 of December 2014 11:06:20 Michele
Calgaro wrote:
> Looks like the mirror is now fully working, since it takes less than
> 30 minutes to do a fully upgrade. So I have tested sevaral ways to
> upgrade from a standard 3.5.13.2 install to 14.0.0. The sequence
> suggested by Mike seems to be the most reliable/reproducable, but with
> some tweeks. 1) apt-get update 2) apt-get install tde-trinity. This
> fails at some point. 3) apt-get -f install. This succeeded, but trying
> to login after this stage gives the error "Could not start
> kstartupconfig...." 4) apt-get dist-upgrade After this stage, I have a
> fully working TDE R14.0.0 system. Running aptitude in CLI mode and
> pressing 'g', comes up with a list of packages that can be deleted.
> This at times is most of the TDE installation. To fix this do the
> following. 5) run 'aptitude', search tde-trinity (which should be
> shown as *un*installed, mark as 'to install' and 'g'. This will make
> R14.0.0 stick in your system 6) running 'aptitude' and pressing 'g'
> again, comes up with a list of packages that can be deleted. Proceed.
>
> I have noticed over several upgrade runs, that the list of packages
> that can be deleted is not always the same, not sure why although some
> of the upgrade run were interrupted/resumed several times due to the
> slow download bandwidth of previous days. It seems that dummy packages
> have to be manually removed. dpkg -l | grep -i dummy gives a list of
> such packages.
>
> I will modify the installation instructions adding an "Update from
> 3.5.13.2" section to it. If you have any specific comments that you
> would like to add to the above, please let me know (once again :-) )
>
> Cheers Michele
I must again point out - if the user perform a manual selection of
packages to
install, the process containing "apt-get
install tde-trinity" is not
an just
upgrade, but will install many other packages.
Moreover, as you
mention, this
step fails. That does not sound like a good way
to upgrade.
Please, test this simple procedure:
1) apt-get update 2) aptitude dist-upgrade
As I've mentioned many times before, this procedure on all my test
machines
ran smoothly - without any hitch - and it's
"really just upgrade".
Slavek, I tested your way and the upgrade goes smooth. Nevertheless
after the process is completed a lot of dummy packages are still
installed. Using the following procedure gets rid of those dummy
packages and leaves a clean upgrade.
1) apt-get update 2) aptitude dist-upgrade
96 packages upgraded, 64 newly installed, 15 to remove and 0 not
upgraded. Need to get 147 MB of archives. After unpacking 63.7 MB will be
used.
No problems. 3) aptitude install tde-trinity -> then choose to
resolve the conflict
by removing kde-trinity and kde-core-trinity
0 packages upgraded, 406 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 231 MB of archives. After unpacking 626 MB will be used.
Oops, that's a bit much. I think we
could recommend something like this:
If you had installed metapackage kde-trinity, kde-core-trinity or
kde-devel-trinity, these are not updated automatically. For the update is
necessary to use one of the following:
aptitude install tde-trinity aptitude install tde-core-trinity aptitude
install tde-devel-trinity
As I watched, there are several transitional dummy packages which would
still have had to be removed manually. For example kde-i18n-*,
kio-locate, kradio,... For such I would suggest the following:
4) Run aptitude in interactive mode, enter Limit Display
'~i-trinity~ddummy" and manually check and delete unneeded packages.
> Can you test on your machines as well and let me know? If confirmed, I
> will update the installation instructions. Cheers Michele
What about we propose two possibilities?
1) same as the one I proposed. This one would basically upgrade/install all
TDE R14.0.0 and get rid of dummy packages. This solution would be intended
for "generic" users who want a simple way to upgrade all TDE
2) same solution that you suggested, i.e. step 1 and step 2, then run
aptitude in interactive mode, enter Limit Display '~i-trinity~ddummy" and
manually check/delete unneeded packages and install equivalent tde
packages. This would be intended for more expert users, who can choose what
to install and what not.
What do you think?
Cheers
Michele