Hi all,
I do not know how I could help. My native language is French and I could always test. So tell me!
I am currently in an unstable situation, trying to move to Ubuntu lucid after leaving my precious OSS 10.3 that is still on my disk(s)... I write this mail while downloading KDE 3.5.11 as described in http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/install.html ... So I'm waiting for the test. I do not know if I'll ever go back to the OSS 10.3 (for reasons other than the test) because of how OSS 10.3 deals servers, especially Apache.
My box is powered by an AMD 2800 + processor Semptron with 2GB RAM, 500G SATA HD 1x and 3x Pata 80G.
I am a 57 year old man who paid the first version of Suse (6.x). I wonder how many people did not accept the attitude of Novell ...
Good luck to everyone, Patrick
Hello,
You are volunteering to test? You wrote a very confusing e-mail.
Best regards, Tiago
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 3:49 AM, patrick@serru.net wrote:
Hi all,
I do not know how I could help. My native language is French and I could always test. So tell me!
I am currently in an unstable situation, trying to move to Ubuntu lucid after leaving my precious OSS 10.3 that is still on my disk(s)... I write this mail while downloading KDE 3.5.11 as described in http://apt.pearsoncomputing.**net/install.htmlhttp://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/install.html... So I'm waiting for the test. I do not know if I'll ever go back to the OSS 10.3 (for reasons other than the test) because of how OSS 10.3 deals servers, especially Apache.
My box is powered by an AMD 2800 + processor Semptron with 2GB RAM, 500G SATA HD 1x and 3x Pata 80G.
I am a 57 year old man who paid the first version of Suse (6.x). I wonder how many people did not accept the attitude of Novell ...
Good luck to everyone, Patrick
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On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:52:46 +0100, Tiago Marques wrote:
Hello,
You are volunteering to test? You wrote a very confusing e-mail.
Best regards, Tiago
----------------------- Hello Tiago, hello all,
My mail was not clear. I said I was trying to download when I wrote it. The download did not go well, and I did not succeeded in launching KDE 3.5.11 on my Ubuntu 10.04. I have already installed the KDE4 package with something that provides access to applications from the Gnome menu KDE4.
I'm skeptical: I found some terrible phrases in the archives as "KDE3 IS Technically obsolete..." that I do not understand and "Instead of accusing me of trolling here..." that I understand all too well. I feel a little cold.
As a user, I thought that KDE 3.5.11 would have restored the "rule" graphic screen and the "magnifying glass" screen, and would have provided a program for cleaning temporary files and other such utilities... In short, a work of "finishing" more than "inovating". The software still need more power to operate. This way of thinking, which is not limited to software, pushed to the ecological disaster and death ... I understand that apart from the problem of my skills as a developer-tester translator, my thinking is not compatible with your's (development team). I feel not being able to bring you help.
Sincerely, Patrick ------------------------ Bonjour tous,
Mon mail n'était pas clair. J'y disais que j'étais en train de télécharger quand je l'ai écrit. Le téléchargement ne s'est pas bien passé, et je n'ai pas réussit à lancer KDE 3.5.11 sur ma Ubuntu 10.04. J'y ai déjà installé le paquet KDE4 avec quelque chose qui permet d'accéder aux applications KDE4 depuis le menu Gnome.
Je suis dubitatif:j'ai trouvé quelques phrases terribles dans les archives comme « KDE3 is technically obsolete... », que je ne comprends pas et « Instead of accusing me of trolling here... » que je comprends trop bien. Je me sens un peu refroidi.
Comme utilisateur, je pensait que KDE 3.5.11 aurait restitué la "règle" graphique d'écran et la "loupe" d'écran, et aurait fourni un logiciel de nettoyage des fichiers temporaires et autres utilitaires de ce genre... Bref, un travail de "finition" plus que d'inovation. Les logiciels ont toujours besoin de plus de puissance pour fonctionner. Cette façon de penser, qui n'est pas limitée aux logiciels, nous aura poussé au désastre écologique et à la mort... Je comprends qu'en dehors du problème de mes compétences comme développeur-traducteur-testeur, ma façon de penser ne soit pas compatible avec les votre (équipe de développement). J'ai le sentiment de ne plus pouvoir vous apporter d'aide.
Amicalement, Patrick
On Saturday 20 August 2011 21:32:13 patrick@serru.net wrote:
As a user, I thought that KDE 3.5.11 would have restored the "rule" graphic screen and the "magnifying glass" screen, and would have provided a program for cleaning temporary files and other such utilities... In short, a work of "finishing" more than "inovating".
I seen that you are trying to migrate from openSUSE to Ubuntu but before you do so I suggest you to try the latest releases of openSUSE with its KDE3 repository.
It currently includes the classic KDE3 packages as well as many other KDE3 and Qt3 software.
I'm skeptical: I found some terrible phrases in the archives as "KDE3 IS Technically obsolete..." that I do not understand and "Instead of accusing me of trolling here..." that I understand all too well. I feel a little cold.
Regarding KDE3 being obsolete, that is in reference to the last officially released version of KDE3, which is 3.5.10 and was released 08/26/2008, almost three years ago. As there have been new official releases of KDE since then (the 4.x series), it can be said that KDE3.5.10 is obsolete ***from the point of view of KDE e.V.***. That being said, the KDE3 codebase lives on in the Trinity project, and I hardly consider the forked codebase to be obsolete.
As a user, I thought that KDE 3.5.11 would have restored the "rule" graphic screen and the "magnifying glass" screen, and would have provided a program for cleaning temporary files and other such utilities... In short, a work of "finishing" more than "inovating". The software still need more power to operate. This way of thinking, which is not limited to software, pushed to the ecological disaster and death ...
This is exactly what we are doing. If you look in the release notes for 3.5.11, 3.5.12 you will see that new features have been added to extend the desktop and add ways to do things via the GUI that previously required hand-editing configuration files or using the terminal. I am unfamiliar with the ""magnifying glass" screen" personally, can you provide a link to a screenshot or similar? We do have kmag in the archives, is this what you were looking for?
I encourage users/testers/developers to file enhancement request bugs on http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net, and if you see an existing enancement bug you want to see fixed, please say so on the bug report. This will help us know what our users want to see. That being said, this is still a volunteer project, so the developers here will probably fix bugs that affect them personally first, before moving on to bugs that they do not routinely experience.
I hope this clears up some of the confusion. :-)
Thanks!
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:36:48 -0500, Timothy Pearson wrote:
... I encourage users/testers/developers to file enhancement request bugs on http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net, and if you see an existing enancement bug you want to see fixed, please say so on the bug report. This will help us know what our users want to see. That being said, this is still a volunteer project, so the developers here will probably fix bugs that affect them personally first, before moving on to bugs that they do not routinely experience.
I hope this clears up some of the confusion. :-)
Thanks!
Hello everybody, hello Timothy,
Thank you for your reply. I hope that the development team at Trinity will grow and that KDE3 become THE desktop (windows manager) reference in the future!
I installed KUbuntu 10.10-trinity-entreprise and it initially failed. As I guessed the existence of a problem with XWindows, I installed an old ATI graphics card (automatically replacing the controller "onboard")** Everything run fine after this "replacement".
I am surprised because there is a "pserru" user and a "pserru" group! But a "users" group too!!!
I did not understand everything (because I do not remember the exact circumstances): I was in tty1 (I mean the console by default, Ctrl+Alt+1) when the system offered an update... that I stupidly accepted! The system played alone a few hours. There have been mistakes. And finally, I was unable to restart.
Remember: I just was an OSS 10.3 user, this is to say that I do not know Ubuntu. I must admit that a single user password does not enchant me. But hey: it's the choice of Debian and have to deal with it. I modified fstab. But I'm not sure that it works as expected: A partition has been mounted as /home, but it is not, as you can see in the screenshot attached which shows a part of the result Displaying of the cat "/etc/mtab" in a console, left, and "System Settings ("Disk & Filesystems ") on the right. About this picture, I got a crash when I clicked on the image from Konqueror to verify its contents. It was told to repport the error at "http://bugs.kde.org" in addition to the message "This call stack appears to be unusable. This is probably because your package was built from a manner that prevents the creation of correct call stacks, or the stack frame was seriously corrupted in the incident."...
Opening dialogues or registration seems to "remember" the adjustment of window size, but not preferences, such as the presentation in list or icons ...
I have not succeded starting kate nor kwrite as "root" to edit "/etc/fstab" for example, even by typing "sudo /opt/kde3/bin/kate &". For me, VI is good for troubleshooting only!
At the start of office, I accepted the display "soft" fonts. It seems to me that it is not applied everywhere. Again, look at the attached picture.
Note, in full view of the image, the partition 3 is the extended partition ...
** Motherboard MSI K8MM3 Series (# http://us.msi.com/product/mb/K8MM3-V.html? Div = Detail)
Other points later, if you think that this could help... Good luck to everyone,
Merci pour votre réponse. J'espère que l'équipe de développement de Trinity s'étoffera et que TDE deviendra LE bureau (windows manager) du futur!
J'ai installé KUbuntu 10.10-trinity-entreprise et l'installation a d'abord échoué. Constatant l'existence d'un problème avec XWindow, j'ai installé une vielle carte graphique ATI, remplaçant automatiquement le contrôleur "onboard" **. Tout s'est passé correctement après ce "remplacement".
Je n'ai pas tout compris (car je ne me souviens pas des circonstances exactes): j'était dans TTY1 (je veux dire la console par défaut) quand le système m'a proposé une mise à jour... j'ai stupidement accepté! Le système à joué seul pendant quelques heures. Il y a eu des erreurs. Et finalement, il m'a été impossible de redémarrer.
Souvenez vous : je viens de OSS 10.3, ceci pour dire que je ne connais pas Ubuntu. Je dois avouer qu’un seul mot de passe utilisateur ne m’enchante pas. Mais bon : c’est le choix Debian et je dois m’y faire. J’ai modifié fstab. Mais je ne suis pas sûr que cela fonctionne comme espéré : Une partition a bien été montée en /home, mais cela n’apparaît pas, comme vous pouvez le constater dans la copie d’écran jointe où l’on voit une partie du résultat de l’afffichage de cat /etc/mtab dans une console, à gauche, et "Paramètres du système ("Disk & Filesystems"). À propos de cette image, j'ai eu droit à un plantage quand j'ai cliqué sur l'image depuis Konqueror pour en vérifier le contenu. Il était dit de repporter l'erreur à "http://bugs.kde.org", en plus du message "Cette pile des appels apparaît être inutilisable. C'est probablement dû au fait que votre paquetage a été construit d'une manière qui empêche de créer des piles d'appels corrects, ou que le cadre de pile a été sérieusement corrompu dans l'incident."...
Les dialogues d'ouverture ou d'enregistrement semble se "souvenir" de l'ajustement de la taille de la fenêtre, mais pas des préférences, comme la présentation en liste ou par icônes...
Je n'ai pas réussit à lancer kate en "root", pour éditer "/etc/fstab" par exemple, même en tapant "sudo /opt/kde3/bin/kate &". Pour moi, VI est bon pour le dépannage seulement!
Au démarrage du bureau, j'ai accepté l'affichage "doux" des polices de caractères. Il me semble que ce n'est pas appliqué partout. Là encore, regardez l'image jointe.
Notez, á la vue de l'image, que la partition 3 est la partition étendue...
** Carte mère MSI K8MM3 serie (http://us.msi.com/product/mb/K8MM3-V.html#?div=Detail)
D'autre remarques plus tard... Bon courage à chacun,
Patrick
Partialy responding to myself:
"Alt+F2" then typing "kdesu kate" works well!
If I well understand, the "things" displayed with "root" privileges are displayed with "smoothed" fonts. With Kate started as described above, the characters is well displayed. Hummmm: the characteres displayed in the TEXTAREA of Firefox 3.6.20 (initial) are well displayed, too.
Sincerly, Patrick
hello heverybody,
What a pity! kdesu itself uses all the processor ressource and does not die when the program invoqued is dead... How can we "turn around", waiting for this to be fixed ?
Sincerly, Patrick
Le 29/08/2011 10:18, patrick@serru.net a écrit :
What a pity! kdesu itself uses all the processor ressource and does not die when the program invoqued is dead... How can we "turn around", waiting for this to be fixed ?
Hello everyone,
Sorry about that .. This has happened only once? Anyway, this did not occur today : - /
But I have not received any acknowledgment from the earlier email. Are my mails more boring than useful? Or my english could be too approximative :-/ Simply tell me!
sincerely, Patrick
Le 29/08/2011 10:18, patrick@serru.net a écrit :
What a pity! kdesu itself uses all the processor ressource and does not die when the program invoqued is dead... How can we "turn around", waiting for this to be fixed ?
Hello everyone,
Sorry about that .. This has happened only once? Anyway, this did not occur today : - /
But I have not received any acknowledgment from the earlier email. Are my mails more boring than useful? Or my english could be too approximative :-/ Simply tell me!
sincerely, Patrick
Hi Patrick,
I personally found your Email a bit hard to understand, so I did not feel that I could respond in a helpful manner. Others may have had the same difficulty, or just may not have had time to respond. We are all volunteers on this project and work on it in our spare time. :-)
Tim
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