On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Timothy Pearson <kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net
wrote:
Guys,
Here is just a thought. How do you want to handle links in the
current
code to "kde.org"? I have seen several already in the "tips" window, like: "If
you
would like to contribute your own tip of the day, go to ....kde.org"
Generically, I'm sure there are more in "help", etc. that refer to kde.org links intended for kde3 that are no longer there.
Do we want to try and do anything with them?
Yes we do. We should probably have a tip submission system, but I think I may wait for the new website. Off the top of my head I'd put it at
http://tips.trinitydesktop.org, but I don't own that domain yet.
You do now :)
Yes :) I got to thinking that I didn't want some automated domain purchaser snatching it for resale because it was mentioned on a public website (the mailing list and IRC logs). I won't be activating it until the new website is complete (hopefully soon!).
Tim
On Thursday 03 March 2011 06:28:21 Timothy Pearson wrote:
Yes :) I got to thinking that I didn't want some automated domain purchaser snatching it for resale because it was mentioned on a public website (the mailing list and IRC logs). I won't be activating it until the new website is complete (hopefully soon!).
Recently I saw in the KDE forum that somebody suggested that Trinity could be named "KDE Classic" to empathize the connection with all the KDE heritage and history and also underline that it is the true KDE.
I think I should agree that this is reasonable idea.
- It would spare you from re-branding and re-drawing the artwork. - KDE is well known desktop and brand. - Many KDE3 apps claim they are written for KDE. This may create confusion with some users if they use Trinity. - Continuous version system (KDE Classic 4 etc vs. Trinity 4). - You empathize that KDE3 did not dead, and KDE Classic is the true KDE rather than KDE SC 4. - Parallels with Mac OS Classic, Windows Classic (a Windows appearance theme) terms. - You can keep the both names: "KDE Classic by Trinity project" etc.
I thought many times what would happen if the creators of KDE4 named their desktop "Plasma" or something and left the brand of KDE to KDE3. I think in that case KDE4 would not be so popular because the users would not associate it with KDE and perceived only KDE3 as the last true KDE. Indeed the name means very much.
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Ilya Chernykh neptunia@mail.ru wrote:
On Thursday 03 March 2011 06:28:21 Timothy Pearson wrote:
Recently I saw in the KDE forum that somebody suggested that Trinity could be named "KDE Classic" to empathize the connection with all the KDE heritage and history and also underline that it is the true KDE.
<snip>
- It would spare you from re-branding and re-drawing the artwork.
- KDE is well known desktop and brand.
- Many KDE3 apps claim they are written for KDE. This may create confusion
with some users if they use Trinity.
- Continuous version system (KDE Classic 4 etc vs. Trinity 4).
- You empathize that KDE3 did not dead, and KDE Classic is the true KDE rather
than KDE SC 4.
- Parallels with Mac OS Classic, Windows Classic (a Windows appearance theme)
terms.
- You can keep the both names: "KDE Classic by Trinity project" etc.
Good points, may be a good idea.
I thought many times what would happen if the creators of KDE4 named their desktop "Plasma" or something and left the brand of KDE to KDE3. I think in that case KDE4 would not be so popular because the users would not associate it with KDE and perceived only KDE3 as the last true KDE. Indeed the name means very much.
I didn't know right away about the "SC" part, then it got me to thinking why they don't restart their versioning. They say that starting with KDE4, it is no longer a Desktop Environment, but instead a Software Compilation. Then I had to wander why the "DE" is still in KDE4, that will surely cause people to think "Desktop Environment" when they see people referring to KDE4 and not KDE4 SC. Maybe we should tell them? Not like they'd listen, but then nobody could blame us for not speaking up :-P
On 03/03/2011 07:28 AM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
Yes :) I got to thinking that I didn't want some automated domain
purchaser snatching it for resale because it was mentioned on a public website (the mailing list and IRC logs). I won't be activating it until the new website is complete (hopefully soon!).
Recently I saw in the KDE forum that somebody suggested that Trinity could be named "KDE Classic" to empathize the connection with all the KDE heritage and history and also underline that it is the true KDE.
I think I should agree that this is reasonable idea.
- It would spare you from re-branding and re-drawing the artwork.
- KDE is well known desktop and brand.
- Many KDE3 apps claim they are written for KDE. This may create confusion
with some users if they use Trinity.
- Continuous version system (KDE Classic 4 etc vs. Trinity 4).
- You empathize that KDE3 did not dead, and KDE Classic is the true KDE rather
than KDE SC 4.
- Parallels with Mac OS Classic, Windows Classic (a Windows appearance theme)
terms.
- You can keep the both names: "KDE Classic by Trinity project" etc.
I thought many times what would happen if the creators of KDE4 named their desktop "Plasma" or something and left the brand of KDE to KDE3. I think in that case KDE4 would not be so popular because the users would not associate it with KDE and perceived only KDE3 as the last true KDE. Indeed the name means very much.
If you look at the openSuSE and kde lists as early as 2008, I thought "KDE Classic" made sense for kde.org for 4 reasons:
(1) there was no rational reason for 'abandoning' the kde3 code - it was a fantastic desktop;
(2) kde3 and kde4 are not mutually exclusive, they can both exist side-by-side,
(3) continuing to offer kde3 provided users a 'choice' of kde desktops (which is what open-source is supposed to be all about), and
(4) the manpower provided by kde.org required to maintain kde3 was minimal compared to the requirements of developing the new kde4.
Basically, it was a "why throw the baby out with the bath water?" issue.
I think kde.org may be more receptive to this idea now than they were 2 years ago and this project has proven the kde3 can be maintained and moved into the future with virtually no resources from kde.org, ...and... to be fair I should also add a 5th reason it makes sense for kde.org to continue KDE Classic. It provides them with a fallback:
(5) "what do we do when kde4 blows up in our face?"
:)
Not that KDE Classic doesn't have it's advantages but I personally think it is important to differentiate between what are generation 3 apps and the new apps. Most of them are now very different pieces of software and having them all called *k*whatever does not help someone distinguish between them, especially when there is one of them that is already at 4 in the major version number.
Best regards, Tiago
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:34 PM, David C. Rankin < drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com> wrote:
On 03/03/2011 07:28 AM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
Yes :) I got to thinking that I didn't want some automated domain
purchaser snatching it for resale because it was mentioned on a public website (the mailing list and IRC logs). I won't be activating it
until
the new website is complete (hopefully soon!).
Recently I saw in the KDE forum that somebody suggested that Trinity
could be
named "KDE Classic" to empathize the connection with all the KDE heritage
and
history and also underline that it is the true KDE.
I think I should agree that this is reasonable idea.
- It would spare you from re-branding and re-drawing the artwork.
- KDE is well known desktop and brand.
- Many KDE3 apps claim they are written for KDE. This may create
confusion
with some users if they use Trinity.
- Continuous version system (KDE Classic 4 etc vs. Trinity 4).
- You empathize that KDE3 did not dead, and KDE Classic is the true KDE
rather
than KDE SC 4.
- Parallels with Mac OS Classic, Windows Classic (a Windows appearance
theme)
terms.
- You can keep the both names: "KDE Classic by Trinity project" etc.
I thought many times what would happen if the creators of KDE4 named
their
desktop "Plasma" or something and left the brand of KDE to KDE3. I think
in
that case KDE4 would not be so popular because the users would not
associate
it with KDE and perceived only KDE3 as the last true KDE. Indeed the name means very much.
If you look at the openSuSE and kde lists as early as 2008, I thought "KDE Classic" made sense for kde.org for 4 reasons:
(1) there was no rational reason for 'abandoning' the kde3 code - it was a fantastic desktop;
(2) kde3 and kde4 are not mutually exclusive, they can both exist side-by-side,
(3) continuing to offer kde3 provided users a 'choice' of kde desktops (which is what open-source is supposed to be all about), and
(4) the manpower provided by kde.org required to maintain kde3 was minimal compared to the requirements of developing the new kde4.
Basically, it was a "why throw the baby out with the bath water?" issue.
I think kde.org may be more receptive to this idea now than they were 2 years ago and this project has proven the kde3 can be maintained and moved into the future with virtually no resources from kde.org, ...and... to be fair I should also add a 5th reason it makes sense for kde.org to continue KDE Classic. It provides them with a fallback:
(5) "what do we do when kde4 blows up in our face?"
:)
-- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
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On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Tiago Marques tiagomnm@gmail.com wrote:
Not that KDE Classic doesn't have it's advantages but I personally think it is important to differentiate between what are generation 3 apps and the new apps. Most of them are now very different pieces of software and having them all called kwhatever does not help someone distinguish between them, especially when there is one of them that is already at 4 in the major version number. Best regards, Tiago
Maybe if we do rename stuff, we can use generic names until we can come up with new names.
I'm still for the "Classic" idea though.
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:28 AM, Timothy Pearson <kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net
wrote:
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Timothy Pearson <kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net
wrote:
Guys,
Here is just a thought. How do you want to handle links in the
current
code to "kde.org"? I have seen several already in the "tips" window, like:
"If
you
would like to contribute your own tip of the day, go to ....kde.org"
Generically, I'm sure there are more in "help", etc. that refer to kde.org links intended for kde3 that are no longer there.
Do we want to try and do anything with them?
Yes we do. We should probably have a tip submission system, but I think
I
may wait for the new website. Off the top of my head I'd put it at
http://tips.trinitydesktop.org, but I don't own that domain yet.
You do now :)
Yes :) I got to thinking that I didn't want some automated domain purchaser snatching it for resale because it was mentioned on a public website (the mailing list and IRC logs). I won't be activating it until the new website is complete (hopefully soon!).
Indeed. Given that the project has been going for some time, I was surprised that none of them had registered it yet :)
Best regards, Tiago
Tim
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