hey all,
I've started to draft up a LiMux email. I haven't finished, but some input would be good
http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/52
Calvin
On Monday 13 August 2012 19:13:35 Calvin Morrison wrote:
hey all,
I've started to draft up a LiMux email. I haven't finished, but some input would be good
basically ok, IMHO, to show interest in collaboroation. however, florian maier seems no longer be in charge of limux, but kirsten böge, see http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/category/open-source/ - there is also a contact email at http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/uber-uns/ I think they can read/write in english there fairly well. otherwise, me or julius can help with german :)
werner
On 13 August 2012 14:20, Werner Joss werner@hoernerfranzracing.de wrote:
On Monday 13 August 2012 19:13:35 Calvin Morrison wrote:
hey all,
I've started to draft up a LiMux email. I haven't finished, but some input would be good
basically ok, IMHO, to show interest in collaboroation. however, florian maier seems no longer be in charge of limux, but kirsten böge, see http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/category/open-source/
- there is also a contact email at http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/uber-uns/
I think they can read/write in english there fairly well. otherwise, me or julius can help with german :)
werner
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I can't seem to find a contact email.
can anyone else?
Calvin
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:27:51 -0400 Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote:
On 13 August 2012 14:20, Werner Joss werner@hoernerfranzracing.de wrote:
On Monday 13 August 2012 19:13:35 Calvin Morrison wrote:
hey all,
I've started to draft up a LiMux email. I haven't finished, but some input would be good
basically ok, IMHO, to show interest in collaboroation. however, florian maier seems no longer be in charge of limux, but kirsten böge, see http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/category/open-source/
- there is also a contact email at
http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/uber-uns/ I think they can read/write in english there fairly well. otherwise, me or julius can help with german :)
werner
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I can't seem to find a contact email.
can anyone else?
http://www.muenchen.de/rathaus/Stadtverwaltung/Direktorium/LiMux/Kontakt.htm...
Calvin
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On 13 August 2012 14:30, /dev/ammo42 mickeytintincolle@yahoo.fr wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:27:51 -0400 Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote:
On 13 August 2012 14:20, Werner Joss werner@hoernerfranzracing.de wrote:
On Monday 13 August 2012 19:13:35 Calvin Morrison wrote:
hey all,
I've started to draft up a LiMux email. I haven't finished, but some input would be good
basically ok, IMHO, to show interest in collaboroation. however, florian maier seems no longer be in charge of limux, but kirsten böge, see http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/category/open-source/
- there is also a contact email at
http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/uber-uns/ I think they can read/write in english there fairly well. otherwise, me or julius can help with german :)
werner
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I can't seem to find a contact email.
can anyone else?
http://www.muenchen.de/rathaus/Stadtverwaltung/Direktorium/LiMux/Kontakt.htm...
Calvin
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thanks :-)
On 13 August 2012 14:35, Werner Joss werner@hoernerfranzracing.de wrote:
On Monday 13 August 2012 20:27:51 Calvin Morrison wrote:
I can't seem to find a contact email.
well, it-blog@muenchen.de or limux@muenchen.de (from /dev/ammo s link)
werner
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I'm using limux@muenchen.de
basically ok, IMHO, to show interest in collaboroation. however, florian maier seems no longer be in charge of limux, but kirsten böge, see http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/category/open-source/
- there is also a contact email at http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/uber-uns/
I think they can read/write in english there fairly well. otherwise, me or julius can help with german :)
Kirsten Böge seems to be the "communications manager" of the project and probably the correct first contact.
Although the email will be written in English, what is an appropriate German salutation and closing? Culturally, would using German appear as a gesture of good will or not?
Sehr geehrte Frau Kirsten Böge,
Dear Kirsten Böge,
???
Likewise for the closing:
Sincerely,
Mit freundlichen Gruessen,
???
What is best?
Werner, although many Germans speak and write English, would you please review the final letter to ensure no cultural translation problems or slang appear in the letter?
Darrell
On Monday 13 August 2012 20:58:27 Darrell Anderson wrote:
Kirsten Böge seems to be the "communications manager" of the project and probably the correct first contact.
yes.
Although the email will be written in English, what is an appropriate German salutation and closing? Culturally, would using German appear as a gesture of good will or not?
I think it will not. english is the commonly accepted language for international communications in IT, everything else would have a smell of 'anbiedern' :) (not sure how to translate that :)
Werner, although many Germans speak and write English, would you please review the final letter to ensure no cultural translation problems or slang appear in the letter?
looks ok, for me. see my small additions there. I think the most important fact for the limux team is that they realize that trinity is actively developed and not some kind of 'dead end'.
Werner
Although the email will be written in English, what is an appropriate German salutation and closing? Culturally, would using German appear as a gesture of good will or not?
I think it will not. english is the commonly accepted language for international communications in IT, everything else would have a smell of 'anbiedern' :) (not sure how to translate that :)
I get the idea. "Sucking up" or "brown nose" might be an equivalent English meaning. :-) That is what we needed to know. Thanks.
Darrell
Calvin Morrison wrote:
I've started to draft up a LiMux email. I haven't finished, but some input would be good
Some things are still missing I think.
First of all, what is the exact goal this letter is trying to achieve? Do you expect LiMux people to make significant improvements to TDE directly through GIT or send in patches or does it also have to do with financial contributions? Or maybe you just expect them to report bugs? There are some notes in there, but I think "joining efforts" should be avoided because it is too vague.
At this point it is completely unclear I guess what LiMux could actually offer to the Trinity project. So I can imagine a first e-mail should try to find out how much focus there is on Trinity and what kind of resources they are spending now on it. Right now, as far as I understand, there haven't been any (few) bug reports from people associated with LiMux. Is this really correct?
What I do think is very good in your letter is that it shows what the Trinity project can mean for LiMux: "resolve LiMux specific issues, respond to problems, as well as offer debugging and packaging help". I think the emphasis of the letter should be on that together with why such feedback is also very important for the Trinity project.
A list of features for the next release seems good, but I think it is too technical now and also some things are really not interesting for end-users. What does an X11 compositor give them? Doesn't LibreOffice already have dialog boxes? Why would they care how the software is branded exactly? I would advice to try to rewrite this list into something more marketable. I suspect their main priority right now is to be able to migrate off Ubuntu 10.04 in time to a next LTS release of Ubuntu, so I think Trinity's stance on that would be the most important.
I hope this feedback is useful. Good luck! It will be interesting to see the result.
Best regards, Julius
On 14 August 2012 07:25, Julius Schwartzenberg julius.schwartzenberg@gmail.com wrote:
Calvin Morrison wrote:
I've started to draft up a LiMux email. I haven't finished, but some input would be good
Some things are still missing I think.
First of all, what is the exact goal this letter is trying to achieve? Do you expect LiMux people to make significant improvements to TDE directly through GIT or send in patches or does it also have to do with financial contributions? Or maybe you just expect them to report bugs? There are some notes in there, but I think "joining efforts" should be avoided because it is too vague.
At this point it is completely unclear I guess what LiMux could actually offer to the Trinity project. So I can imagine a first e-mail should try to find out how much focus there is on Trinity and what kind of resources they are spending now on it. Right now, as far as I understand, there haven't been any (few) bug reports from people associated with LiMux. Is this really correct?
What I do think is very good in your letter is that it shows what the Trinity project can mean for LiMux: "resolve LiMux specific issues, respond to problems, as well as offer debugging and packaging help". I think the emphasis of the letter should be on that together with why such feedback is also very important for the Trinity project.
A list of features for the next release seems good, but I think it is too technical now and also some things are really not interesting for end-users. What does an X11 compositor give them? Doesn't LibreOffice already have dialog boxes? Why would they care how the software is branded exactly? I would advice to try to rewrite this list into something more marketable. I suspect their main priority right now is to be able to migrate off Ubuntu 10.04 in time to a next LTS release of Ubuntu, so I think Trinity's stance on that would be the most important.
I hope this feedback is useful. Good luck! It will be interesting to see the result.
Best regards, Julius
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Thank you, your notes are very helpful.
Cal
Dne út 14. srpna 2012 Julius Schwartzenberg napsal(a):
Calvin Morrison wrote:
I've started to draft up a LiMux email. I haven't finished, but some input would be good
Some things are still missing I think.
First of all, what is the exact goal this letter is trying to achieve? Do you expect LiMux people to make significant improvements to TDE directly through GIT or send in patches or does it also have to do with financial contributions? Or maybe you just expect them to report bugs? There are some notes in there, but I think "joining efforts" should be avoided because it is too vague.
At this point it is completely unclear I guess what LiMux could actually offer to the Trinity project. So I can imagine a first e-mail should try to find out how much focus there is on Trinity and what kind of resources they are spending now on it. Right now, as far as I understand, there haven't been any (few) bug reports from people associated with LiMux. Is this really correct?
What I do think is very good in your letter is that it shows what the Trinity project can mean for LiMux: "resolve LiMux specific issues, respond to problems, as well as offer debugging and packaging help". I think the emphasis of the letter should be on that together with why such feedback is also very important for the Trinity project.
A list of features for the next release seems good, but I think it is too technical now and also some things are really not interesting for end-users. What does an X11 compositor give them? Doesn't LibreOffice already have dialog boxes? Why would they care how the software is branded exactly? I would advice to try to rewrite this list into something more marketable. I suspect their main priority right now is to be able to migrate off Ubuntu 10.04 in time to a next LTS release of Ubuntu, so I think Trinity's stance on that would be the most important.
I hope this feedback is useful. Good luck! It will be interesting to see the result.
Best regards, Julius
From the LiMux presentation I had a feeling that feels uncertainty of further development of the Trinity. Therefore, I suppose, is one purpose of this letter to assure that development continues, it has its goals and that the project is alive.
Slavek --
On 14 August 2012 11:31, Slávek Banko slavek.banko@axis.cz wrote:
Dne út 14. srpna 2012 Julius Schwartzenberg napsal(a):
Calvin Morrison wrote:
I've started to draft up a LiMux email. I haven't finished, but some input would be good
Some things are still missing I think.
First of all, what is the exact goal this letter is trying to achieve? Do you expect LiMux people to make significant improvements to TDE directly through GIT or send in patches or does it also have to do with financial contributions? Or maybe you just expect them to report bugs? There are some notes in there, but I think "joining efforts" should be avoided because it is too vague.
At this point it is completely unclear I guess what LiMux could actually offer to the Trinity project. So I can imagine a first e-mail should try to find out how much focus there is on Trinity and what kind of resources they are spending now on it. Right now, as far as I understand, there haven't been any (few) bug reports from people associated with LiMux. Is this really correct?
What I do think is very good in your letter is that it shows what the Trinity project can mean for LiMux: "resolve LiMux specific issues, respond to problems, as well as offer debugging and packaging help". I think the emphasis of the letter should be on that together with why such feedback is also very important for the Trinity project.
A list of features for the next release seems good, but I think it is too technical now and also some things are really not interesting for end-users. What does an X11 compositor give them? Doesn't LibreOffice already have dialog boxes? Why would they care how the software is branded exactly? I would advice to try to rewrite this list into something more marketable. I suspect their main priority right now is to be able to migrate off Ubuntu 10.04 in time to a next LTS release of Ubuntu, so I think Trinity's stance on that would be the most important.
I hope this feedback is useful. Good luck! It will be interesting to see the result.
Best regards, Julius
From the LiMux presentation I had a feeling that feels uncertainty of further development of the Trinity. Therefore, I suppose, is one purpose of this letter to assure that development continues, it has its goals and that the project is alive.
Slavek
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yes that is why i think it might be good to talk about upcoming releases and such.
calvin
On 14 August 2012 11:33, Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote:
On 14 August 2012 11:31, Slávek Banko slavek.banko@axis.cz wrote:
Dne út 14. srpna 2012 Julius Schwartzenberg napsal(a):
Calvin Morrison wrote:
I've started to draft up a LiMux email. I haven't finished, but some input would be good
Some things are still missing I think.
First of all, what is the exact goal this letter is trying to achieve? Do you expect LiMux people to make significant improvements to TDE directly through GIT or send in patches or does it also have to do with financial contributions? Or maybe you just expect them to report bugs? There are some notes in there, but I think "joining efforts" should be avoided because it is too vague.
At this point it is completely unclear I guess what LiMux could actually offer to the Trinity project. So I can imagine a first e-mail should try to find out how much focus there is on Trinity and what kind of resources they are spending now on it. Right now, as far as I understand, there haven't been any (few) bug reports from people associated with LiMux. Is this really correct?
What I do think is very good in your letter is that it shows what the Trinity project can mean for LiMux: "resolve LiMux specific issues, respond to problems, as well as offer debugging and packaging help". I think the emphasis of the letter should be on that together with why such feedback is also very important for the Trinity project.
A list of features for the next release seems good, but I think it is too technical now and also some things are really not interesting for end-users. What does an X11 compositor give them? Doesn't LibreOffice already have dialog boxes? Why would they care how the software is branded exactly? I would advice to try to rewrite this list into something more marketable. I suspect their main priority right now is to be able to migrate off Ubuntu 10.04 in time to a next LTS release of Ubuntu, so I think Trinity's stance on that would be the most important.
I hope this feedback is useful. Good luck! It will be interesting to see the result.
Best regards, Julius
From the LiMux presentation I had a feeling that feels uncertainty of further development of the Trinity. Therefore, I suppose, is one purpose of this letter to assure that development continues, it has its goals and that the project is alive.
Slavek
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yes that is why i think it might be good to talk about upcoming releases and such.
calvin
I fleshed out the new features of R14, giving just a little taste of the improvements.
Calvin
On 08/13/2012 12:13 PM, Calvin Morrison wrote:
hey all,
I've started to draft up a LiMux email. I haven't finished, but some input would be good
http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/52
Calvin
I added comments to the etherpad. I think the etherpad can work to capture developments with LiMux coordination within both projects. Good work Calvin.
On Monday 13 August 2012 13:13:35 Calvin Morrison wrote:
hey all,
I've started to draft up a LiMux email. I haven't finished, but some input would be good
while I cannot read the draft, I just wanted to point out that members of the LiMux team have been at this years Akademy and AFAIK they are preparing a migration back to KDE SC.
Best Regards Martin Gräßlin
Thank you that is important information.
Calvin On Aug 15, 2012 4:13 PM, "Martin Gräßlin" mgraesslin@kde.org wrote:
On Monday 13 August 2012 13:13:35 Calvin Morrison wrote:
hey all,
I've started to draft up a LiMux email. I haven't finished, but some input would be good
while I cannot read the draft, I just wanted to point out that members of the LiMux team have been at this years Akademy and AFAIK they are preparing a migration back to KDE SC.
Best Regards Martin Gräßlin
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