btw i just installed koffice-trinity and i didn't spot that it's pulling in a whole bunch of crap including libkde4 and libkde5 crud. i do *not* want that on the machine, apart from anything the different libraries will mean extra memory used up on a resource-constrained machine; with koffice and kde 3.5 at least it's possible to share the base libraries resident in memory. ... what gives? l.