Hello Everyone,
For a while I have been pondering the cosmetic and artwork related changes we should try and work on for R14. Unlike most projects, we are rather nostalgic, so going flat out new won't work for us. A new default theme or such is not advisable. Users won't like it. I think we should instead focus on creating an improved R14 style. A theme consists of: Backgrounds, Color Schemes, Fonts, Icons, Window Decorations, Widget Styles, and Screensavers. These don't need drastic revision, instead they need careful changes to help reflect our goals. Speed simplicity and customization are my top priorities.
What do we need to improve? My vote is this
1) New backgrounds - Our defaults are out of date and I don't really like them, Every new release should see some fresh artwork. Users can keep the old one if the prefer it. These need to be pleasant to view and also look modern. (not to glossy though).
2) Improved Window Decorations - I am not a fan of plastic. I am a fan of the KDE2 window decoration. Either way we should set about making sure the default on is in tip top shape and has max configuration. Should we keep plastic as our default deco?
3) Icons - I think we are OK with these. Some icons may need to be looked over in our crystal svg set. I want to maximize visual efficiency of our icons. Some may be unclear or hard to see at different sizes. This should be lo
4) Styles - I would like to see Plastik expanded by including more options, especially to remove stippled drawing on the tabs. any thoughts?
I think we should start thinking about this now, since this release will be mostly bug fixes, changes like this could also be slipped in.
Calvin Morrison
2012/1/15 Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com:
Hello Everyone,
For a while I have been pondering the cosmetic and artwork related changes we should try and work on for R14. Unlike most projects, we are rather nostalgic, so going flat out new won't work for us. A new default theme or such is not advisable. Users won't like it. I think we should instead focus on creating an improved R14 style. A theme consists of: Backgrounds, Color Schemes, Fonts, Icons, Window Decorations, Widget Styles, and Screensavers. These don't need drastic revision, instead they need careful changes to help reflect our goals. Speed simplicity and customization are my top priorities.
What do we need to improve? My vote is this
What I'd do: darken a little our current default theme. The colors are a little too much bright IMHO.
Anyway I think we should look what the tendencies in other DE/OSes are, what users like and go that way.
What we should avoid is making trinity look old. And by old I mean things like win9x, cde, and things like that.
We should rework too our default layouts. Form what I've see the current tendency is to minimalize GUI elements, remove extra toolbars and icons on them and maximize actual workspace. I did it on my trinity installation and it works well. The rule I used is: if I can access a particular function through r-click, I don't need a button on toolbar. If I don't use it frequently I don't need it on toolbar. Those 2 rules left my with pretty much addres bar and back/forward buttons.
- New backgrounds - Our defaults are out of date and I don't really like
them, Every new release should see some fresh artwork. Users can keep the old one if the prefer it. These need to be pleasant to view and also look modern. (not to glossy though).
As I worte some time ago I could provide some photos as backgrounds. You can see them at my page (http://l0ner.github.com/photoblog/). Actually I prepared some of those in widescreen wallpaper format. I need only to upload those somewhere.
- Improved Window Decorations - I am not a fan of plastic. I am a fan of
the KDE2 window decoration. Either way we should set about making sure the default on is in tip top shape and has max configuration. Should we keep plastic as our default deco?
Plastic is fine. We should totally avoid using Keramik, since it's way too big and... strange(?). Window deco IMHO should be slim and almost unnoticable. Kermaik isn't. As it goes for KDE2 deco, it looks a little too much outdated and old-school (reminds me kinda of the win 9x style). Make the buttons flat, give it rounded corners and it should look more modern.
- Icons - I think we are OK with these. Some icons may need to be looked
over in our crystal svg set. I want to maximize visual efficiency of our icons. Some may be unclear or hard to see at different sizes. This should be lo
- Styles - I would like to see Plastik expanded by including more options,
especially to remove stippled drawing on the tabs. any thoughts?
I'd opt on using Polyester rather than Plastik. It's pretty much plastik updated.
5). Color styles: atm we don't provide good looking dark theme. And by good looking i mean kinda like ubuntu one. Besides like I said the default one i a little too bright IMHO.
I think we should start thinking about this now, since this release will be mostly bug fixes, changes like this could also be slipped in.
I could try to prepare some ideas after I finised fixing arch PKGBUILDs. I don't know tho when it will be since I have exams coming...
Calvin Morrison
For a while I have been pondering the cosmetic and
artwork related changes
we should try and work on for R14. Unlike most
projects, we are rather
nostalgic, so going flat out new won't work for us. A
new default theme or
such is not advisable. Users won't like it. I think we
should instead focus
on creating an improved R14 style. A theme consists
of: Backgrounds, Color
Schemes, Fonts, Icons, Window Decorations, Widget
Styles, and Screensavers.
These don't need drastic revision, instead they need
careful changes to help
reflect our goals. Speed simplicity and customization
are my top priorities.
What do we need to improve? My vote is this
What I'd do: darken a little our current default theme. The colors are a little too much bright IMHO.
Anyway I think we should look what the tendencies in other DE/OSes are, what users like and go that way.
What we should avoid is making trinity look old. And by old I mean things like win9x, cde, and things like that.
We should rework too our default layouts. Form what I've see the current tendency is to minimalize GUI elements, remove extra toolbars and icons on them and maximize actual workspace. I did it on my trinity installation and it works well. The rule I used is: if I can access a particular function through r-click, I don't need a button on toolbar. If I don't use it frequently I don't need it on toolbar. Those 2 rules left my with pretty much addres bar and back/forward buttons.
- New backgrounds - Our defaults are out of date and
I don't really like
them, Every new release should see some fresh artwork.
Users can keep the
old one if the prefer it. These need to be pleasant to
view and also look
modern. (not to glossy though).
As I worte some time ago I could provide some photos as backgrounds. You can see them at my page (http://l0ner.github.com/photoblog/). Actually I prepared some of those in widescreen wallpaper format. I need only to upload those somewhere.
- Improved Window Decorations - I am not a fan of
plastic. I am a fan of
the KDE2 window decoration. Either way we should set
about making sure the
default on is in tip top shape and has max
configuration. Should we keep
plastic as our default deco?
Plastic is fine. We should totally avoid using Keramik, since it's way too big and... strange(?). Window deco IMHO should be slim and almost unnoticable. Kermaik isn't. As it goes for KDE2 deco, it looks a little too much outdated and old-school (reminds me kinda of the win 9x style). Make the buttons flat, give it rounded corners and it should look more modern.
- Icons - I think we are OK with these. Some icons
may need to be looked
over in our crystal svg set. I want to maximize visual
efficiency of our
icons. Some may be unclear or hard to see at different
sizes. This should be
lo
- Styles - I would like to see Plastik expanded by
including more options,
especially to remove stippled drawing on the tabs. any
thoughts?
I'd opt on using Polyester rather than Plastik. It's pretty much plastik updated.
5). Color styles: atm we don't provide good looking dark theme. And by good looking i mean kinda like ubuntu one. Besides like I said the default one i a little too bright IMHO.
I think we should start thinking about this now, since
this release will be
mostly bug fixes, changes like this could also be
slipped in.
I am old fashioned about my desktop. I never liked the plastik or keramik styles, I don't like the new oxygen designs, I don't like metal sheens. I use the KDE Classic Style and KDE2 window decorations. I still enjoy Crystal SVG icons. I don't use wallpaper. My point?
I ask that you focus on ADDING new artwork and not taking away.
When designing new artwork, please remember that us old farts like what we have. :) That is, new is good but old is good too. There is plenty of room in this world for both. :)
Otherwise I want to encourage all artists to have fun with this!
Darrell
I am old fashioned about my desktop. I never liked the plastik or keramik styles, I don't like the new oxygen designs, I don't like metal sheens. I use the KDE Classic Style and KDE2 window decorations. I still enjoy Crystal SVG icons. I don't use wallpaper. My point?
I ask that you focus on ADDING new artwork and not taking away.
When designing new artwork, please remember that us old farts like what we have. :) That is, new is good but old is good too. There is plenty of room in this world for both. :)
Otherwise I want to encourage all artists to have fun with this!
I definitely want to emphasize improving and adding artwork. By no means removing the existing functionality we currently have. I love my KDE2 style :-)
I definitely want to emphasize improving and adding artwork. By no means removing the existing functionality we currently have. I love my KDE2 style :-)
A young buck like you who likes the KDE2 style. You are indeed a mutant turkey. :) ;)
Darrell
2012/1/15 Darrell Anderson humanreadable@yahoo.com:
I definitely want to emphasize improving and adding artwork. By no means removing the existing functionality we currently have. I love my KDE2 style :-)
A young buck like you who likes the KDE2 style. You are indeed a mutant turkey. :) ;)
Darrell
Not only him. I used for long time desktop settings that resembled look and feel of BeOS...
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2012/1/15 Darrell Anderson humanreadable@yahoo.com:
For a while I have been pondering the cosmetic and
artwork related changes
we should try and work on for R14. Unlike most
projects, we are rather
nostalgic, so going flat out new won't work for us. A
new default theme or
such is not advisable. Users won't like it. I think we
should instead focus
on creating an improved R14 style. A theme consists
of: Backgrounds, Color
Schemes, Fonts, Icons, Window Decorations, Widget
Styles, and Screensavers.
These don't need drastic revision, instead they need
careful changes to help
reflect our goals. Speed simplicity and customization
are my top priorities.
What do we need to improve? My vote is this
What I'd do: darken a little our current default theme. The colors are a little too much bright IMHO.
Anyway I think we should look what the tendencies in other DE/OSes are, what users like and go that way.
What we should avoid is making trinity look old. And by old I mean things like win9x, cde, and things like that.
We should rework too our default layouts. Form what I've see the current tendency is to minimalize GUI elements, remove extra toolbars and icons on them and maximize actual workspace. I did it on my trinity installation and it works well. The rule I used is: if I can access a particular function through r-click, I don't need a button on toolbar. If I don't use it frequently I don't need it on toolbar. Those 2 rules left my with pretty much addres bar and back/forward buttons.
- New backgrounds - Our defaults are out of date and
I don't really like
them, Every new release should see some fresh artwork.
Users can keep the
old one if the prefer it. These need to be pleasant to
view and also look
modern. (not to glossy though).
As I worte some time ago I could provide some photos as backgrounds. You can see them at my page (http://l0ner.github.com/photoblog/). Actually I prepared some of those in widescreen wallpaper format. I need only to upload those somewhere.
- Improved Window Decorations - I am not a fan of
plastic. I am a fan of
the KDE2 window decoration. Either way we should set
about making sure the
default on is in tip top shape and has max
configuration. Should we keep
plastic as our default deco?
Plastic is fine. We should totally avoid using Keramik, since it's way too big and... strange(?). Window deco IMHO should be slim and almost unnoticable. Kermaik isn't. As it goes for KDE2 deco, it looks a little too much outdated and old-school (reminds me kinda of the win 9x style). Make the buttons flat, give it rounded corners and it should look more modern.
- Icons - I think we are OK with these. Some icons
may need to be looked
over in our crystal svg set. I want to maximize visual
efficiency of our
icons. Some may be unclear or hard to see at different
sizes. This should be
lo
- Styles - I would like to see Plastik expanded by
including more options,
especially to remove stippled drawing on the tabs. any
thoughts?
I'd opt on using Polyester rather than Plastik. It's pretty much plastik updated.
5). Color styles: atm we don't provide good looking dark theme. And by good looking i mean kinda like ubuntu one. Besides like I said the default one i a little too bright IMHO.
I think we should start thinking about this now, since
this release will be
mostly bug fixes, changes like this could also be
slipped in.
I am old fashioned about my desktop. I never liked the plastik or keramik styles, I don't like the new oxygen designs, I don't like metal sheens. I use the KDE Classic Style and KDE2 window decorations. I still enjoy Crystal SVG icons. I don't use wallpaper. My point?
I ask that you focus on ADDING new artwork and not taking away.
When designing new artwork, please remember that us old farts like what we have. :) That is, new is good but old is good too. There is plenty of room in this world for both. :)
Otherwise I want to encourage all artists to have fun with this!
Darrell
We don't plan on removing anything. Plan is: add new artwork and default artwork settings that would appeal as modern and eye-candy to new users.
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On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:08:17 -0500 Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Everyone,
For a while I have been pondering the cosmetic and artwork related changes we should try and work on for R14. Unlike most projects, we are rather nostalgic, so going flat out new won't work for us. A new default theme or such is not advisable. Users won't like it. I think we should instead focus on creating an improved R14 style. A theme consists of: Backgrounds, Color Schemes, Fonts, Icons, Window Decorations, Widget Styles, and Screensavers. These don't need drastic revision, instead they need careful changes to help reflect our goals. Speed simplicity and customization are my top priorities.
What do we need to improve? My vote is this
- New backgrounds - Our defaults are out of date and I don't really
like them, Every new release should see some fresh artwork. Users can keep the old one if the prefer it. These need to be pleasant to view and also look modern. (not to glossy though).
- Improved Window Decorations - I am not a fan of plastic. I am a
fan of the KDE2 window decoration. Either way we should set about making sure the default on is in tip top shape and has max configuration. Should we keep plastic as our default deco?
- Icons - I think we are OK with these. Some icons may need to be
looked over in our crystal svg set. I want to maximize visual efficiency of our icons. Some may be unclear or hard to see at different sizes. This should be lo
I think Crystal Project icons (http://www.everaldo.com/crystal/?action=preview) could be a good theme to add. It is designed by Everaldo Coehlo (as is Crystal SVG) and I think of it as an improved Crystal SVG, without the cartoonish/XPish look of the latter.
- Styles - I would like to see Plastik expanded by including more
options, especially to remove stippled drawing on the tabs. any thoughts?
I think we should start thinking about this now, since this release will be mostly bug fixes, changes like this could also be slipped in.
Calvin Morrison
2012/1/15 /dev/ammo42 mickeytintincolle@yahoo.fr:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:08:17 -0500 Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Everyone,
For a while I have been pondering the cosmetic and artwork related changes we should try and work on for R14. Unlike most projects, we are rather nostalgic, so going flat out new won't work for us. A new default theme or such is not advisable. Users won't like it. I think we should instead focus on creating an improved R14 style. A theme consists of: Backgrounds, Color Schemes, Fonts, Icons, Window Decorations, Widget Styles, and Screensavers. These don't need drastic revision, instead they need careful changes to help reflect our goals. Speed simplicity and customization are my top priorities.
What do we need to improve? My vote is this
- New backgrounds - Our defaults are out of date and I don't really
like them, Every new release should see some fresh artwork. Users can keep the old one if the prefer it. These need to be pleasant to view and also look modern. (not to glossy though).
Link to wallpaper packet I wrote about: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26010362/Trinity-wallpapers.txz All photos are mine and licensed under CC:BY-NC-SA
- Improved Window Decorations - I am not a fan of plastic. I am a
fan of the KDE2 window decoration. Either way we should set about making sure the default on is in tip top shape and has max configuration. Should we keep plastic as our default deco?
- Icons - I think we are OK with these. Some icons may need to be
looked over in our crystal svg set. I want to maximize visual efficiency of our icons. Some may be unclear or hard to see at different sizes. This should be lo
I think Crystal Project icons (http://www.everaldo.com/crystal/?action=preview) could be a good theme to add. It is designed by Everaldo Coehlo (as is Crystal SVG) and I think of it as an improved Crystal SVG, without the cartoonish/XPish look of the latter.
- Styles - I would like to see Plastik expanded by including more
options, especially to remove stippled drawing on the tabs. any thoughts?
I think we should start thinking about this now, since this release will be mostly bug fixes, changes like this could also be slipped in.
Calvin Morrison
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2012/1/15 /dev/ammo42 mickeytintincolle@yahoo.fr:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:08:17 -0500 Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Everyone,
For a while I have been pondering the cosmetic and artwork related changes we should try and work on for R14. Unlike most projects, we are rather nostalgic, so going flat out new won't work for us. A new default theme or such is not advisable. Users won't like it. I think we should instead focus on creating an improved R14 style. A theme consists of: Backgrounds, Color Schemes, Fonts, Icons, Window Decorations, Widget Styles, and Screensavers. These don't need drastic revision, instead they need careful changes to help reflect our goals. Speed simplicity and customization are my top priorities.
What do we need to improve? My vote is this
- New backgrounds - Our defaults are out of date and I don't really
like them, Every new release should see some fresh artwork. Users can keep the old one if the prefer it. These need to be pleasant to view and also look modern. (not to glossy though).
Link to wallpaper packet I wrote about: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26010362/Trinity-wallpapers.txz All photos are mine and licensed under CC:BY-NC-SA
I like Trinity-04.jpg and Trinity-13.jpg personally; the latter reminds me of a director's chair on a movie set for some reason. :-)
Tim
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:13 PM, /dev/ammo42 mickeytintincolle@yahoo.frwrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:08:17 -0500 Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Everyone,
For a while I have been pondering the cosmetic and artwork related changes we should try and work on for R14. Unlike most projects, we are rather nostalgic, so going flat out new won't work for us. A new default theme or such is not advisable. Users won't like it. I think we should instead focus on creating an improved R14 style. A theme consists of: Backgrounds, Color Schemes, Fonts, Icons, Window Decorations, Widget Styles, and Screensavers. These don't need drastic revision, instead they need careful changes to help reflect our goals. Speed simplicity and customization are my top priorities.
What do we need to improve? My vote is this
- New backgrounds - Our defaults are out of date and I don't really
like them, Every new release should see some fresh artwork. Users can keep the old one if the prefer it. These need to be pleasant to view and also look modern. (not to glossy though).
- Improved Window Decorations - I am not a fan of plastic. I am a
fan of the KDE2 window decoration. Either way we should set about making sure the default on is in tip top shape and has max configuration. Should we keep plastic as our default deco?
- Icons - I think we are OK with these. Some icons may need to be
looked over in our crystal svg set. I want to maximize visual efficiency of our icons. Some may be unclear or hard to see at different sizes. This should be lo
I think Crystal Project icons (http://www.everaldo.com/crystal/?action=preview) could be a good theme to add. It is designed by Everaldo Coehlo (as is Crystal SVG) and I think of it as an improved Crystal SVG, without the cartoonish/XPish look of the latter.
These are quite bad for desktop use, IMHO. Crystal SVG is cartoonish but it's icons have a low amount of detail, which are nice at all sizes and readable, symbolic in a way. Just look at the home and Firefox icons in Crystal Project: way too much bling causes too much "visual noise" in someting that sould be merely symbolic of it's function.
Best regards, Tiago
- Styles - I would like to see Plastik expanded by including more
options, especially to remove stippled drawing on the tabs. any thoughts?
I think we should start thinking about this now, since this release will be mostly bug fixes, changes like this could also be slipped in.
Calvin Morrison
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On 15 January 2012 22:18, Tiago Marques tiagomnm@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:13 PM, /dev/ammo42 mickeytintincolle@yahoo.frwrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:08:17 -0500 Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Everyone,
For a while I have been pondering the cosmetic and artwork related changes we should try and work on for R14. Unlike most projects, we are rather nostalgic, so going flat out new won't work for us. A new default theme or such is not advisable. Users won't like it. I think we should instead focus on creating an improved R14 style. A theme consists of: Backgrounds, Color Schemes, Fonts, Icons, Window Decorations, Widget Styles, and Screensavers. These don't need drastic revision, instead they need careful changes to help reflect our goals. Speed simplicity and customization are my top priorities.
What do we need to improve? My vote is this
- New backgrounds - Our defaults are out of date and I don't really
like them, Every new release should see some fresh artwork. Users can keep the old one if the prefer it. These need to be pleasant to view and also look modern. (not to glossy though).
- Improved Window Decorations - I am not a fan of plastic. I am a
fan of the KDE2 window decoration. Either way we should set about making sure the default on is in tip top shape and has max configuration. Should we keep plastic as our default deco?
- Icons - I think we are OK with these. Some icons may need to be
looked over in our crystal svg set. I want to maximize visual efficiency of our icons. Some may be unclear or hard to see at different sizes. This should be lo
I think Crystal Project icons (http://www.everaldo.com/crystal/?action=preview) could be a good theme to add. It is designed by Everaldo Coehlo (as is Crystal SVG) and I think of it as an improved Crystal SVG, without the cartoonish/XPish look of the latter.
These are quite bad for desktop use, IMHO. Crystal SVG is cartoonish but it's icons have a low amount of detail, which are nice at all sizes and readable, symbolic in a way. Just look at the home and Firefox icons in Crystal Project: way too much bling causes too much "visual noise" in someting that sould be merely symbolic of it's function.
Best regards, Tiago
I concur.
I think a focus should be on improving and simplifying the icons. I find certain icons to already be to visually distracting. Simple clear icons should be everywhere. Even knetworkmanager for example. The Icons are not bad for it, but they have an annoying gloss which makes it more difficult to see. Also while connecting a smaller "sub" icon appears within the regular icon. very hard to see. it would be better to have the whole icon showing that it is connecting.
This is just one example I can think of. Basically I want to push clarity over everything else.
Calvin
Here I leave two suggestions on further improving defaults.
First, the "Knifty" window decorations + plastik, though a default would require adding the maximize button, which I just don't use - I just double click the title bar:
http://postimg.com/image/58000/photo-57622.jpg
Admittedly, this kind of light colored scheme may require some darkening to fit most monitor calibrations, since they tipically are too warm and the greys tend to blend together. Either way, just wanted to show Knifty to all, since it is a much cleaner and IMHO better looking decoration that's free from the glitter present in Keramik, Plastik and Crystal. If you like what you see I can further send screenshots of how inactive windows behave, though it's mostly through a softening of the grey color in the title bar, as also changing the font from black to grey as in the inactive apps are shown in the taskbar.
Below, the background and settings I use for the taskbar, though a default would probably be better with a single row given the limited vertical pixel real estate of laptops of late.
http://postimg.com/image/58000/photo-57623.jpg
Here, while hovering the taskbar, which only has a slight bug in plastik that hinders the choice of background color for the taskbar if the "For Transparency" setting isn't used:
http://postimg.com/image/58000/photo-57624.jpg
The bug is merely a white pixel on the corners where the background color should be present:
http://postimg.com/image/58000/photo-57625.jpg
The Plastik style can definitely be improved upon and while I personally dislike Polyester, I found Lipstik rather nice, if similar to Plastik.
I have also been experimenting with great success to use a vertical panel on 16:9 and 16:10 screens for easier access to commonly used apps and to host the KMenu button, though this is definitely a power user scenario that needs tweaking and further programming to work really well:
http://postimg.com/image/58000/photo-57626.jpg
My usage of this mode predates Ubuntu's Unity bar and has been liked and adopted by some of my friends from time to time, since otherwise it's screen real estate that's being wasted given that most web pages (for instance) are expected to only need 1024 horizontal pixels to show the full page.
One other (slightly off-topic) suggestion I have is to completely disable sounds on TDE. The fact that the default desktop settings have a bunch of (IMHO) do nothing irritating sounds doesn't seem correct. Even the rest of the desktop (things like IM notifications) would be better if had no sounds associated but a good way of giving visual feedback since most times the desktop computer doesn't have speakers (at work) or are turned off in a laptop in a public environment. I think that a blinking taskbar button is mostly sufficient, which is mostly a present behavior in TDE when you disable popup notification windows.
On the same vein, foregoing ARTS completely in a Linux environment where ALSA currently handles multiple sound sources well for a few years now may be of interest, though I don't know the implications of that. I have mostly been building my desktop without ARTS support and haven't really missed anything, in more than 2 years, since the media players have better ALSA backends already.
Hoping to keep this discussion flowing.
Best regards, Tiago
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:23 AM, Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.comwrote:
On 15 January 2012 22:18, Tiago Marques tiagomnm@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:13 PM, /dev/ammo42 mickeytintincolle@yahoo.frwrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:08:17 -0500 Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Everyone,
For a while I have been pondering the cosmetic and artwork related changes we should try and work on for R14. Unlike most projects, we are rather nostalgic, so going flat out new won't work for us. A new default theme or such is not advisable. Users won't like it. I think we should instead focus on creating an improved R14 style. A theme consists of: Backgrounds, Color Schemes, Fonts, Icons, Window Decorations, Widget Styles, and Screensavers. These don't need drastic revision, instead they need careful changes to help reflect our goals. Speed simplicity and customization are my top priorities.
What do we need to improve? My vote is this
- New backgrounds - Our defaults are out of date and I don't really
like them, Every new release should see some fresh artwork. Users can keep the old one if the prefer it. These need to be pleasant to view and also look modern. (not to glossy though).
- Improved Window Decorations - I am not a fan of plastic. I am a
fan of the KDE2 window decoration. Either way we should set about making sure the default on is in tip top shape and has max configuration. Should we keep plastic as our default deco?
- Icons - I think we are OK with these. Some icons may need to be
looked over in our crystal svg set. I want to maximize visual efficiency of our icons. Some may be unclear or hard to see at different sizes. This should be lo
I think Crystal Project icons (http://www.everaldo.com/crystal/?action=preview) could be a good theme to add. It is designed by Everaldo Coehlo (as is Crystal SVG) and I think of it as an improved Crystal SVG, without the cartoonish/XPish look of the latter.
These are quite bad for desktop use, IMHO. Crystal SVG is cartoonish but it's icons have a low amount of detail, which are nice at all sizes and readable, symbolic in a way. Just look at the home and Firefox icons in Crystal Project: way too much bling causes too much "visual noise" in someting that sould be merely symbolic of it's function.
Best regards, Tiago
I concur.
I think a focus should be on improving and simplifying the icons. I find certain icons to already be to visually distracting. Simple clear icons should be everywhere. Even knetworkmanager for example. The Icons are not bad for it, but they have an annoying gloss which makes it more difficult to see. Also while connecting a smaller "sub" icon appears within the regular icon. very hard to see. it would be better to have the whole icon showing that it is connecting.
This is just one example I can think of. Basically I want to push clarity over everything else.
Calvin
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 03:18:38 +0000 Tiago Marques tiagomnm@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:13 PM, /dev/ammo42 mickeytintincolle@yahoo.frwrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:08:17 -0500 Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Everyone,
For a while I have been pondering the cosmetic and artwork related changes we should try and work on for R14. Unlike most projects, we are rather nostalgic, so going flat out new won't work for us. A new default theme or such is not advisable. Users won't like it. I think we should instead focus on creating an improved R14 style. A theme consists of: Backgrounds, Color Schemes, Fonts, Icons, Window Decorations, Widget Styles, and Screensavers. These don't need drastic revision, instead they need careful changes to help reflect our goals. Speed simplicity and customization are my top priorities.
What do we need to improve? My vote is this
- New backgrounds - Our defaults are out of date and I don't
really like them, Every new release should see some fresh artwork. Users can keep the old one if the prefer it. These need to be pleasant to view and also look modern. (not to glossy though).
- Improved Window Decorations - I am not a fan of plastic. I am a
fan of the KDE2 window decoration. Either way we should set about making sure the default on is in tip top shape and has max configuration. Should we keep plastic as our default deco?
- Icons - I think we are OK with these. Some icons may need to be
looked over in our crystal svg set. I want to maximize visual efficiency of our icons. Some may be unclear or hard to see at different sizes. This should be lo
I think Crystal Project icons (http://www.everaldo.com/crystal/?action=preview) could be a good theme to add. It is designed by Everaldo Coehlo (as is Crystal SVG) and I think of it as an improved Crystal SVG, without the cartoonish/XPish look of the latter.
These are quite bad for desktop use, IMHO. Crystal SVG is cartoonish but it's icons have a low amount of detail, which are nice at all sizes and readable, symbolic in a way. Just look at the home and Firefox icons in Crystal Project: way too much bling causes too much "visual noise" in someting that sould be merely symbolic of it's function.
I agree on these two icons being too detailed (although I actually use the home icon in my "Small" kicker bar) but most others are good IMHO.
Best regards, Tiago
- Styles - I would like to see Plastik expanded by including more
options, especially to remove stippled drawing on the tabs. any thoughts?
I think we should start thinking about this now, since this release will be mostly bug fixes, changes like this could also be slipped in.
Calvin Morrison
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- Icons - I think we are OK with these. Some icons may need to be
looked over in our crystal svg set. I want to maximize visual efficiency of our icons. Some may be unclear or hard to see at different sizes. This should be lo
I think Crystal Project icons (http://www.everaldo.com/crystal/?action=preview) could be a good theme to add. It is designed by Everaldo Coehlo (as is Crystal SVG) and I think of it as an improved Crystal SVG, without the cartoonish/XPish look of the latter.
These are quite bad for desktop use, IMHO. Crystal SVG is cartoonish but it's icons have a low amount of detail, which are nice at all sizes and readable, symbolic in a way. Just look at the home and Firefox icons in Crystal Project: way too much bling causes too much "visual noise" in someting that sould be merely symbolic of it's function.
Best regards, Tiago
Agreed. Those icons are a perfect example of what NOT to do in an icon set, and as an added "bonus" they remind me of the rather bad Windows Vista icon set.
Tim
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