15 Jan
2012
15 Jan
'12
4:08 a.m.
Hello Everyone,
For a while I have been pondering the cosmetic and artwork related changes
we should try and work on for R14. Unlike most projects, we are rather
nostalgic, so going flat out new won't work for us. A new default theme or
such is not advisable. Users won't like it. I think we should instead focus
on creating an improved R14 style. A theme consists of: Backgrounds, Color
Schemes, Fonts, Icons, Window Decorations, Widget Styles, and Screensavers.
These don't need drastic revision, instead they need careful changes to
help reflect our goals. Speed simplicity and customization are my top
priorities.
What do we need to improve? My vote is this
1) New backgrounds - Our defaults are out of date and I don't really like
them, Every new release should see some fresh artwork. Users can keep the
old one if the prefer it. These need to be pleasant to view and also look
modern. (not to glossy though).
2) Improved Window Decorations - I am not a fan of plastic. I am a fan of
the KDE2 window decoration. Either way we should set about making sure the
default on is in tip top shape and has max configuration. Should we keep
plastic as our default deco?
3) Icons - I think we are OK with these. Some icons may need to be looked
over in our crystal svg set. I want to maximize visual efficiency of our
icons. Some may be unclear or hard to see at different sizes. This should
be lo
4) Styles - I would like to see Plastik expanded by including more options,
especially to remove stippled drawing on the tabs. any thoughts?
I think we should start thinking about this now, since this release will be
mostly bug fixes, changes like this could also be slipped in.
Calvin Morrison
15 Jan
15 Jan
2:40 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] R14 Artwork.
2012/1/15 Calvin Morrison <mutantturkey(a)gmail.com>om>:
Hello Everyone,
For a while I have been pondering the cosmetic and artwork related changes
we should try and work on for R14. Unlike most projects, we are rather
nostalgic, so going flat out new won't work for us. A new default theme or
such is not advisable. Users won't like it. I think we should instead focus
on creating an improved R14 style. A theme consists of: Backgrounds, Color
Schemes, Fonts, Icons, Window Decorations, Widget Styles, and Screensavers.
These don't need drastic revision, instead they need careful changes to help
reflect our goals. Speed simplicity and customization are my top priorities.
What do we need to improve? My vote is this
What I'd do: darken a little our current default theme. The colors are
a little too much bright IMHO.
Anyway I think we should look what the tendencies in other DE/OSes
are, what users like and go that way.
What we should avoid is making trinity look old. And by old I mean
things like win9x, cde, and things like that.
We should rework too our default layouts. Form what I've see the
current tendency is to minimalize GUI elements, remove extra toolbars
and icons on them and maximize actual workspace. I did it on my
trinity installation and it works well. The rule I used is: if I can
access a particular function through r-click, I don't need a button on
toolbar. If I don't use it frequently I don't need it on toolbar.
Those 2 rules left my with pretty much addres bar and back/forward
buttons.
1) New backgrounds - Our defaults are out of date and
I don't really like
them, Every new release should see some fresh artwork. Users can keep the
old one if the prefer it. These need to be pleasant to view and also look
modern. (not to glossy though).
As I worte some time ago I could provide some photos as backgrounds.
You can see them at my page (http://l0ner.github.com/photoblog/).
Actually I prepared some of those in widescreen wallpaper format. I
need only to upload those somewhere.
2) Improved Window Decorations - I am not a fan of
plastic. I am a fan of
the KDE2 window decoration. Either way we should set about making sure the
default on is in tip top shape and has max configuration. Should we keep
plastic as our default deco?
Plastic is fine. We should totally avoid using Keramik, since it's way
too big and... strange(?). Window deco IMHO should be slim and almost
unnoticable. Kermaik isn't.
As it goes for KDE2 deco, it looks a little too much outdated and
old-school (reminds me kinda of the win 9x style). Make the buttons
flat, give it rounded corners and it should look more modern.
3) Icons - I think we are OK with these. Some icons
may need to be looked
over in our crystal svg set. I want to maximize visual efficiency of our
icons. Some may be unclear or hard to see at different sizes. This should be
lo
4) Styles - I would like to see Plastik expanded by including more options,
especially to remove stippled drawing on the tabs. any thoughts?
I'd opt on using Polyester rather than Plastik. It's pretty much
plastik updated.
5). Color styles: atm we don't provide good looking dark theme. And by
good looking i mean kinda like ubuntu one.
Besides like I said the default one i a little too bright IMHO.
I think we should start thinking about this now, since
this release will be
mostly bug fixes, changes like this could also be slipped in.
I could try to prepare some ideas after I finised fixing arch
PKGBUILDs. I don't know tho when it will be since I have exams
coming...
Calvin Morrison
5:58 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] R14 Artwork.
For a while I
have been pondering the cosmetic and
artwork related changes
we should try and work on for R14. Unlike most
projects, we are rather
nostalgic, so going flat out new won't work
for us. A
new default theme or
such is not advisable. Users won't like it. I
think we
should instead focus
on creating an improved R14 style. A theme
consists
of: Backgrounds, Color
Schemes, Fonts, Icons, Window Decorations, Widget
Styles, and Screensavers.
These don't need drastic revision, instead
they need
careful changes to help
reflect our goals. Speed simplicity and
customization
are my top priorities.
What do we need to improve? My vote is this
What I'd do: darken a little our current default theme. The
colors are
a little too much bright IMHO.
Anyway I think we should look what the tendencies in other
DE/OSes
are, what users like and go that way.
What we should avoid is making trinity look old. And by old
I mean
things like win9x, cde, and things like that.
We should rework too our default layouts. Form what I've
see the
current tendency is to minimalize GUI elements, remove
extra toolbars
and icons on them and maximize actual workspace. I did it
on my
trinity installation and it works well. The rule I used is:
if I can
access a particular function through r-click, I don't need
a button on
toolbar. If I don't use it frequently I don't need it on
toolbar.
Those 2 rules left my with pretty much addres bar and
back/forward
buttons.
1) New backgrounds - Our defaults are out of date
and
I don't really like
them, Every new release should see some fresh
artwork.
Users can keep the
old one if the prefer it. These need to be
pleasant to
view and also look
modern. (not to glossy though).
As I worte some time ago I could provide some photos as
backgrounds.
You can see them at my page (http://l0ner.github.com/photoblog/).
Actually I prepared some of those in widescreen wallpaper
format. I
need only to upload those somewhere.
2) Improved Window Decorations - I am not a fan
of
plastic. I am a fan of
the KDE2 window decoration. Either way we should
set
about making sure the
default on is in tip top shape and has max
configuration. Should we keep
plastic as our default deco?
Plastic is fine. We should totally avoid using Keramik,
since it's way
too big and... strange(?). Window deco IMHO should be slim
and almost
unnoticable. Kermaik isn't.
As it goes for KDE2 deco, it looks a little too much
outdated and
old-school (reminds me kinda of the win 9x style). Make the
buttons
flat, give it rounded corners and it should look more
modern.
3) Icons - I think we are OK with these. Some
icons
may need to be looked
over in our crystal svg set. I want to maximize
visual
efficiency of our
icons. Some may be unclear or hard to see at
different
sizes. This should be
lo
4) Styles - I would like to see Plastik expanded by
including more options,
especially to remove stippled drawing on the
tabs. any
thoughts?
I think we should start thinking about this now,
since
this release will be
mostly bug fixes, changes like this could also be
slipped in.
6:06 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] R14 Artwork.
I am old fashioned about my desktop. I never liked the
plastik or keramik
styles, I don't like the new oxygen designs, I don't like metal sheens. I
use the KDE Classic Style and KDE2 window decorations. I still enjoy
Crystal SVG icons. I don't use wallpaper. My point?
I ask that you focus on ADDING new artwork and not taking away.
When designing new artwork, please remember that us old farts like what we
have. :) That is, new is good but old is good too. There is plenty of room
in this world for both. :)
Otherwise I want to encourage all artists to have fun with this!
I definitely want to emphasize improving and adding artwork. By no means
removing the existing functionality we currently have. I love my KDE2 style
:-)
6:32 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] R14 Artwork.
I definitely want to emphasize improving and adding
artwork. By no means removing the existing functionality we
currently have. I love my KDE2 style :-)
A young buck like you who likes the KDE2 style. You are indeed a mutant turkey. :) ;)
Darrell
7:09 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] R14 Artwork.
2012/1/15 Darrell Anderson <humanreadable(a)yahoo.com>om>:
Not only him. I used for long time desktop settings that resembled
look and feel of BeOS...
I definitely
want to emphasize improving and adding
artwork. By no means removing the existing functionality we
currently have. I love my KDE2 style :-)
A young buck like you who likes the KDE2 style. You are indeed a mutant turkey. :) ;)
Darrell
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7:02 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] R14 Artwork.
2012/1/15 Darrell Anderson <humanreadable(a)yahoo.com>om>:
I'd opt on using Polyester rather than
Plastik. It's pretty
much
plastik updated.
5). Color styles: atm we don't provide good looking dark
theme. And by
good looking i mean kinda like ubuntu one.
Besides like I said the default one i a little too bright
IMHO.
I am old fashioned about my desktop. I never liked the plastik or keramik styles, I
don't like the new oxygen designs, I don't like metal sheens. I use the KDE
Classic Style and KDE2 window decorations. I still enjoy Crystal SVG icons. I don't
use wallpaper. My point?
I ask that you focus on ADDING new artwork and not taking away.
When designing new artwork, please remember that us old farts like what we have. :) That
is, new is good but old is good too. There is plenty of room in this world for both. :)
Otherwise I want to encourage all artists to have fun with this!
Darrell
We don't plan on removing anything. Plan is: add new artwork and
default artwork settings that would appeal as modern and eye-candy to
new users.
For a while I have been pondering the cosmetic and
artwork related changes
we should try and work on for R14. Unlike most
projects, we are rather
nostalgic, so going flat out new won't work
for us. A
new default theme or
such is not advisable. Users won't like it. I
think we
should instead focus
on creating an improved R14 style. A theme
consists
of: Backgrounds, Color
Schemes, Fonts, Icons, Window Decorations, Widget
Styles, and Screensavers.
These don't need drastic revision, instead
they need
careful changes to help
reflect our goals. Speed simplicity and
customization
are my top priorities.
What do we need to improve? My vote is this
What I'd do: darken a little our current default theme. The
colors are
a little too much bright IMHO.
Anyway I think we should look what the tendencies in other
DE/OSes
are, what users like and go that way.
What we should avoid is making trinity look old. And by old
I mean
things like win9x, cde, and things like that.
We should rework too our default layouts. Form what I've
see the
current tendency is to minimalize GUI elements, remove
extra toolbars
and icons on them and maximize actual workspace. I did it
on my
trinity installation and it works well. The rule I used is:
if I can
access a particular function through r-click, I don't need
a button on
toolbar. If I don't use it frequently I don't need it on
toolbar.
Those 2 rules left my with pretty much addres bar and
back/forward
buttons.
1) New backgrounds - Our defaults are out of date
and
I don't really like
them, Every new release should see some fresh
artwork.
Users can keep the
old one if the prefer it. These need to be
pleasant to
view and also look
modern. (not to glossy though).
As I worte some time ago I could provide some photos as
backgrounds.
You can see them at my page (http://l0ner.github.com/photoblog/).
Actually I prepared some of those in widescreen wallpaper
format. I
need only to upload those somewhere.
2) Improved Window Decorations - I am not a fan
of
plastic. I am a fan of
the KDE2 window decoration. Either way we should
set
about making sure the
default on is in tip top shape and has max
configuration. Should we keep
plastic as our default deco?
Plastic is fine. We should totally avoid using Keramik,
since it's way
too big and... strange(?). Window deco IMHO should be slim
and almost
unnoticable. Kermaik isn't.
As it goes for KDE2 deco, it looks a little too much
outdated and
old-school (reminds me kinda of the win 9x style). Make the
buttons
flat, give it rounded corners and it should look more
modern.
3) Icons - I think we are OK with these. Some
icons
may need to be looked
over in our crystal svg set. I want to maximize
visual
efficiency of our
icons. Some may be unclear or hard to see at
different
sizes. This should be
lo
4) Styles - I would like to see Plastik expanded by
including more options,
especially to remove stippled drawing on the
tabs. any
thoughts?
I think we should start thinking about this now,
since
this release will be
mostly bug fixes, changes like this could also be
slipped in.
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7:13 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] R14 Artwork.
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:08:17 -0500
Calvin Morrison <mutantturkey(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Everyone,
For a while I have been pondering the cosmetic and artwork related
changes we should try and work on for R14. Unlike most projects, we
are rather nostalgic, so going flat out new won't work for us. A new
default theme or such is not advisable. Users won't like it. I think
we should instead focus on creating an improved R14 style. A theme
consists of: Backgrounds, Color Schemes, Fonts, Icons, Window
Decorations, Widget Styles, and Screensavers. These don't need
drastic revision, instead they need careful changes to help reflect
our goals. Speed simplicity and customization are my top priorities.
What do we need to improve? My vote is this
1) New backgrounds - Our defaults are out of date and I don't really
like them, Every new release should see some fresh artwork. Users can
keep the old one if the prefer it. These need to be pleasant to view
and also look modern. (not to glossy though).
2) Improved Window Decorations - I am not a fan of plastic. I am a
fan of the KDE2 window decoration. Either way we should set about
making sure the default on is in tip top shape and has max
configuration. Should we keep plastic as our default deco?
3) Icons - I think we are OK with these. Some icons may need to be
looked over in our crystal svg set. I want to maximize visual
efficiency of our icons. Some may be unclear or hard to see at
different sizes. This should be lo
I think Crystal Project icons
(http://www.everaldo.com/crystal/?action=preview) could be a good theme
to add. It is designed by Everaldo Coehlo (as is Crystal SVG) and I
think of it as an improved Crystal SVG, without the cartoonish/XPish
look of the latter.
4) Styles - I would like to see Plastik expanded by including more
options, especially to remove stippled drawing on the tabs. any
thoughts?
I think we should start thinking about this now, since this release
will be mostly bug fixes, changes like this could also be slipped in.
Calvin Morrison
8:17 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] R14 Artwork.
2012/1/15 /dev/ammo42 <mickeytintincolle(a)yahoo.fr>fr>:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:08:17 -0500
Calvin Morrison <mutantturkey(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> For a while I have been pondering the cosmetic and artwork related
> changes we should try and work on for R14. Unlike most projects, we
> are rather nostalgic, so going flat out new won't work for us. A new
> default theme or such is not advisable. Users won't like it. I think
> we should instead focus on creating an improved R14 style. A theme
> consists of: Backgrounds, Color Schemes, Fonts, Icons, Window
> Decorations, Widget Styles, and Screensavers. These don't need
> drastic revision, instead they need careful changes to help reflect
> our goals. Speed simplicity and customization are my top priorities.
>
> What do we need to improve? My vote is this
>
> 1) New backgrounds - Our defaults are out of date and I don't really
> like them, Every new release should see some fresh artwork. Users can
> keep the old one if the prefer it. These need to be pleasant to view
> and also look modern. (not to glossy though).
Link to wallpaper packet I wrote about:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26010362/Trinity-wallpapers.txz
All photos are mine and licensed under CC:BY-NC-SA
2) Improved Window Decorations - I am not a fan of plastic. I am a
fan of the KDE2 window decoration. Either way we should set about
making sure the default on is in tip top shape and has max
configuration. Should we keep plastic as our default deco?
3) Icons - I think we are OK with these. Some icons may need to be
looked over in our crystal svg set. I want to maximize visual
efficiency of our icons. Some may be unclear or hard to see at
different sizes. This should be lo
I think Crystal Project icons
(http://www.everaldo.com/crystal/?action=preview) could be a good theme
to add. It is designed by Everaldo Coehlo (as is Crystal SVG) and I
think of it as an improved Crystal SVG, without the cartoonish/XPish
look of the latter.
4) Styles - I would like to see Plastik expanded by including more
options, especially to remove stippled drawing on the tabs. any
thoughts?
I think we should start thinking about this now, since this release
will be mostly bug fixes, changes like this could also be slipped in.
Calvin Morrison
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10:19 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] R14 Artwork.
2012/1/15 /dev/ammo42
<mickeytintincolle(a)yahoo.fr>fr>:
I like Trinity-04.jpg and Trinity-13.jpg personally; the latter reminds me
of a director's chair on a movie set for some reason. :-)
Tim
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:08:17 -0500
Calvin Morrison <mutantturkey(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> For a while I have been pondering the cosmetic and artwork related
> changes we should try and work on for R14. Unlike most projects, we
> are rather nostalgic, so going flat out new won't work for us. A new
> default theme or such is not advisable. Users won't like it. I think
> we should instead focus on creating an improved R14 style. A theme
> consists of: Backgrounds, Color Schemes, Fonts, Icons, Window
> Decorations, Widget Styles, and Screensavers. These don't need
> drastic revision, instead they need careful changes to help reflect
> our goals. Speed simplicity and customization are my top priorities.
>
> What do we need to improve? My vote is this
>
> 1) New backgrounds - Our defaults are out of date and I don't really
> like them, Every new release should see some fresh artwork. Users can
> keep the old one if the prefer it. These need to be pleasant to view
> and also look modern. (not to glossy though).
Link to wallpaper packet I wrote about:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26010362/Trinity-wallpapers.txz
All photos are mine and licensed under CC:BY-NC-SA 
16 Jan
16 Jan
3:18 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] R14 Artwork.
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:13 PM, /dev/ammo42 <mickeytintincolle(a)yahoo.fr>wrote;wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:08:17 -0500
Calvin Morrison <mutantturkey(a)gmail.com> wrote:
These are quite bad for desktop use, IMHO. Crystal SVG is cartoonish but
it's icons have a low amount of detail, which are nice at all sizes and
readable, symbolic in a way. Just look at the home and Firefox icons in
Crystal Project: way too much bling causes too much "visual noise" in
someting that sould be merely symbolic of it's function.
Best regards,
Tiago
Hello Everyone,
For a while I have been pondering the cosmetic and artwork related
changes we should try and work on for R14. Unlike most projects, we
are rather nostalgic, so going flat out new won't work for us. A new
default theme or such is not advisable. Users won't like it. I think
we should instead focus on creating an improved R14 style. A theme
consists of: Backgrounds, Color Schemes, Fonts, Icons, Window
Decorations, Widget Styles, and Screensavers. These don't need
drastic revision, instead they need careful changes to help reflect
our goals. Speed simplicity and customization are my top priorities.
What do we need to improve? My vote is this
1) New backgrounds - Our defaults are out of date and I don't really
like them, Every new release should see some fresh artwork. Users can
keep the old one if the prefer it. These need to be pleasant to view
and also look modern. (not to glossy though).
2) Improved Window Decorations - I am not a fan of plastic. I am a
fan of the KDE2 window decoration. Either way we should set about
making sure the default on is in tip top shape and has max
configuration. Should we keep plastic as our default deco?
3) Icons - I think we are OK with these. Some icons may need to be
looked over in our crystal svg set. I want to maximize visual
efficiency of our icons. Some may be unclear or hard to see at
different sizes. This should be lo
I think Crystal Project icons
(http://www.everaldo.com/crystal/?action=preview) could be a good theme
to add. It is designed by Everaldo Coehlo (as is Crystal SVG) and I
think of it as an improved Crystal SVG, without the cartoonish/XPish
look of the latter.
4) Styles - I would like to see Plastik expanded by including more
options, especially to remove stippled drawing on the tabs. any
thoughts?
I think we should start thinking about this now, since this release
will be mostly bug fixes, changes like this could also be slipped in.
Calvin Morrison
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3:23 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] R14 Artwork.
On 15 January 2012 22:18, Tiago Marques <tiagomnm(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:13 PM, /dev/ammo42
<mickeytintincolle(a)yahoo.fr>wrote;wrote:
I concur.
I think a focus should be on improving and simplifying the icons. I find
certain icons to already be to visually distracting. Simple clear icons
should be everywhere. Even knetworkmanager for example. The Icons are not
bad for it, but they have an annoying gloss which makes it more difficult
to see. Also while connecting a smaller "sub" icon appears within the
regular icon. very hard to see. it would be better to have the whole icon
showing that it is connecting.
This is just one example I can think of. Basically I want to push clarity
over everything else.
Calvin
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:08:17 -0500
Calvin Morrison <mutantturkey(a)gmail.com> wrote:
These are quite bad for desktop use, IMHO. Crystal SVG is cartoonish but
it's icons have a low amount of detail, which are nice at all sizes and
readable, symbolic in a way. Just look at the home and Firefox icons in
Crystal Project: way too much bling causes too much "visual noise" in
someting that sould be merely symbolic of it's function.
Best regards,
Tiago
Hello Everyone,
For a while I have been pondering the cosmetic and artwork related
changes we should try and work on for R14. Unlike most projects, we
are rather nostalgic, so going flat out new won't work for us. A new
default theme or such is not advisable. Users won't like it. I think
we should instead focus on creating an improved R14 style. A theme
consists of: Backgrounds, Color Schemes, Fonts, Icons, Window
Decorations, Widget Styles, and Screensavers. These don't need
drastic revision, instead they need careful changes to help reflect
our goals. Speed simplicity and customization are my top priorities.
What do we need to improve? My vote is this
1) New backgrounds - Our defaults are out of date and I don't really
like them, Every new release should see some fresh artwork. Users can
keep the old one if the prefer it. These need to be pleasant to view
and also look modern. (not to glossy though).
2) Improved Window Decorations - I am not a fan of plastic. I am a
fan of the KDE2 window decoration. Either way we should set about
making sure the default on is in tip top shape and has max
configuration. Should we keep plastic as our default deco?
3) Icons - I think we are OK with these. Some icons may need to be
looked over in our crystal svg set. I want to maximize visual
efficiency of our icons. Some may be unclear or hard to see at
different sizes. This should be lo
I think Crystal Project icons
(http://www.everaldo.com/crystal/?action=preview) could be a good theme
to add. It is designed by Everaldo Coehlo (as is Crystal SVG) and I
think of it as an improved Crystal SVG, without the cartoonish/XPish
look of the latter.
17 Jan
17 Jan
12:06 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] R14 Artwork.
Here I leave two suggestions on further improving defaults.
First, the "Knifty" window decorations + plastik, though a default would
require adding the maximize button, which I just don't use - I just double
click the title bar:
http://postimg.com/image/58000/photo-57622.jpg
Admittedly, this kind of light colored scheme may require some darkening to
fit most monitor calibrations, since they tipically are too warm and the
greys tend to blend together. Either way, just wanted to show Knifty to
all, since it is a much cleaner and IMHO better looking decoration that's
free from the glitter present in Keramik, Plastik and Crystal.
If you like what you see I can further send screenshots of how inactive
windows behave, though it's mostly through a softening of the grey color in
the title bar, as also changing the font from black to grey as in the
inactive apps are shown in the taskbar.
Below, the background and settings I use for the taskbar, though a default
would probably be better with a single row given the limited vertical pixel
real estate of laptops of late.
http://postimg.com/image/58000/photo-57623.jpg
Here, while hovering the taskbar, which only has a slight bug in plastik
that hinders the choice of background color for the taskbar if the "For
Transparency" setting isn't used:
http://postimg.com/image/58000/photo-57624.jpg
The bug is merely a white pixel on the corners where the background color
should be present:
http://postimg.com/image/58000/photo-57625.jpg
The Plastik style can definitely be improved upon and while I personally
dislike Polyester, I found Lipstik rather nice, if similar to Plastik.
I have also been experimenting with great success to use a vertical panel
on 16:9 and 16:10 screens for easier access to commonly used apps and to
host the KMenu button, though this is definitely a power user scenario that
needs tweaking and further programming to work really well:
http://postimg.com/image/58000/photo-57626.jpg
My usage of this mode predates Ubuntu's Unity bar and has been liked and
adopted by some of my friends from time to time, since otherwise it's
screen real estate that's being wasted given that most web pages (for
instance) are expected to only need 1024 horizontal pixels to show the full
page.
One other (slightly off-topic) suggestion I have is to completely disable
sounds on TDE. The fact that the default desktop settings have a bunch of
(IMHO) do nothing irritating sounds doesn't seem correct. Even the rest of
the desktop (things like IM notifications) would be better if had no sounds
associated but a good way of giving visual feedback since most times the
desktop computer doesn't have speakers (at work) or are turned off in a
laptop in a public environment. I think that a blinking taskbar button is
mostly sufficient, which is mostly a present behavior in TDE when you
disable popup notification windows.
On the same vein, foregoing ARTS completely in a Linux environment where
ALSA currently handles multiple sound sources well for a few years now may
be of interest, though I don't know the implications of that. I have mostly
been building my desktop without ARTS support and haven't really missed
anything, in more than 2 years, since the media players have better ALSA
backends already.
Hoping to keep this discussion flowing.
Best regards,
Tiago
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:23 AM, Calvin Morrison <mutantturkey(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
On 15 January 2012 22:18, Tiago Marques <tiagomnm(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:13 PM, /dev/ammo42
<mickeytintincolle(a)yahoo.fr>wrote;wrote:
I concur.
I think a focus should be on improving and simplifying the icons. I find
certain icons to already be to visually distracting. Simple clear icons
should be everywhere. Even knetworkmanager for example. The Icons are not
bad for it, but they have an annoying gloss which makes it more difficult
to see. Also while connecting a smaller "sub" icon appears within the
regular icon. very hard to see. it would be better to have the whole icon
showing that it is connecting.
This is just one example I can think of. Basically I want to push clarity
over everything else.
Calvin
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:08:17 -0500
Calvin Morrison <mutantturkey(a)gmail.com> wrote:
These are quite bad for desktop use, IMHO. Crystal SVG is cartoonish but
it's icons have a low amount of detail, which are nice at all sizes and
readable, symbolic in a way. Just look at the home and Firefox icons in
Crystal Project: way too much bling causes too much "visual noise" in
someting that sould be merely symbolic of it's function.
Best regards,
Tiago
Hello Everyone,
For a while I have been pondering the cosmetic and artwork related
changes we should try and work on for R14. Unlike most projects, we
are rather nostalgic, so going flat out new won't work for us. A new
default theme or such is not advisable. Users won't like it. I think
we should instead focus on creating an improved R14 style. A theme
consists of: Backgrounds, Color Schemes, Fonts, Icons, Window
Decorations, Widget Styles, and Screensavers. These don't need
drastic revision, instead they need careful changes to help reflect
our goals. Speed simplicity and customization are my top priorities.
What do we need to improve? My vote is this
1) New backgrounds - Our defaults are out of date and I don't really
like them, Every new release should see some fresh artwork. Users can
keep the old one if the prefer it. These need to be pleasant to view
and also look modern. (not to glossy though).
2) Improved Window Decorations - I am not a fan of plastic. I am a
fan of the KDE2 window decoration. Either way we should set about
making sure the default on is in tip top shape and has max
configuration. Should we keep plastic as our default deco?
3) Icons - I think we are OK with these. Some icons may need to be
looked over in our crystal svg set. I want to maximize visual
efficiency of our icons. Some may be unclear or hard to see at
different sizes. This should be lo
I think Crystal Project icons
(http://www.everaldo.com/crystal/?action=preview) could be a good theme
to add. It is designed by Everaldo Coehlo (as is Crystal SVG) and I
think of it as an improved Crystal SVG, without the cartoonish/XPish
look of the latter.
16 Jan
16 Jan
4:09 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] R14 Artwork.
On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 03:18:38 +0000
Tiago Marques <tiagomnm(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:13 PM, /dev/ammo42
<mickeytintincolle(a)yahoo.fr>wrote;wrote:
I agree on these two icons being too detailed (although I actually use
the home icon in my "Small" kicker bar) but most others are good IMHO.
On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:08:17 -0500
Calvin Morrison <mutantturkey(a)gmail.com> wrote:
These are quite bad for desktop use, IMHO. Crystal SVG is cartoonish
but it's icons have a low amount of detail, which are nice at all
sizes and readable, symbolic in a way. Just look at the home and
Firefox icons in Crystal Project: way too much bling causes too much
"visual noise" in someting that sould be merely symbolic of it's
function. Hello Everyone,
For a while I have been pondering the cosmetic and artwork related
changes we should try and work on for R14. Unlike most projects,
we are rather nostalgic, so going flat out new won't work for us.
A new default theme or such is not advisable. Users won't like
it. I think we should instead focus on creating an improved R14
style. A theme consists of: Backgrounds, Color Schemes, Fonts,
Icons, Window Decorations, Widget Styles, and Screensavers. These
don't need drastic revision, instead they need careful changes to
help reflect our goals. Speed simplicity and customization are my
top priorities.
What do we need to improve? My vote is this
1) New backgrounds - Our defaults are out of date and I don't
really like them, Every new release should see some fresh
artwork. Users can keep the old one if the prefer it. These need
to be pleasant to view and also look modern. (not to glossy
though).
2) Improved Window Decorations - I am not a fan of plastic. I am a
fan of the KDE2 window decoration. Either way we should set about
making sure the default on is in tip top shape and has max
configuration. Should we keep plastic as our default deco?
3) Icons - I think we are OK with these. Some icons may need to be
looked over in our crystal svg set. I want to maximize visual
efficiency of our icons. Some may be unclear or hard to see at
different sizes. This should be lo
I think Crystal Project icons
(http://www.everaldo.com/crystal/?action=preview) could be a good
theme to add. It is designed by Everaldo Coehlo (as is Crystal SVG)
and I think of it as an improved Crystal SVG, without the
cartoonish/XPish look of the latter.
Best regards,
Tiago
> >
> > 4) Styles - I would like to see Plastik expanded by including more
> > options, especially to remove stippled drawing on the tabs. any
> > thoughts?
> >
> > I think we should start thinking about this now, since this
> > release will be mostly bug fixes, changes like this could also be
> > slipped in.
> >
> > Calvin Morrison
>
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4:15 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] R14 Artwork.
3) Icons - I think we are OK with these. Some icons
may need to be
looked over in our crystal svg set. I want to maximize visual
efficiency of our icons. Some may be unclear or hard to see at
different sizes. This should be lo
I think Crystal Project icons
(http://www.everaldo.com/crystal/?action=preview) could be a good theme
to add. It is designed by Everaldo Coehlo (as is Crystal SVG) and I
think of it as an improved Crystal SVG, without the cartoonish/XPish
look of the latter.
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