On 05/07/2012 01:19 AM, Ilya Chernykh wrote: The reality is there is NO 'drop-in' replacement for HAL for either openSuSE's builds of KDE3 or TDE -- yet. HAL will be removed from both and all of the desired functionality WILL be preserved going forward -- BUT -- it will take time to iron all the issues out and make the transition. HAL is tightly integrated with the core of KDE3. As a result, moving away from HAL will take significant effort both from the gifted developers that code the removal AND from the user-base to provide feedback and bug reports of what does and does not work. If we were smart, we would coordinate the transition away from HAL among all the projects that support and develop KDE3 so that all projects can collaborate on the effort and benefit from what has already been done. Primarily to keep from reinventing the wheel and prevent against inconstancies being introduced by independent solutions. There is nothing wrong with exploring and attempting different solutions along the way, but there should be a common road-map to insure we all end up at the same finish line. What are your thoughts on where/how to coordinate these efforts? cc: trinity-devel -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.