19 Dec
2011
19 Dec
'11
6:05 p.m.
Hello,
I've seen many calls for a stand alone Konqueror. I have seen people who do
not want to use KDE3 anymore, but desperately miss their beloved Konqueror
asking for it. What do you all think about creating just a Konqueror
tarball for the releases, and push it out to package maintainers?
Frankly Konqueror is the best manager around, I think we might as well get
people hooked on it :)
Calvin Morrison
19 Dec
19 Dec
6:07 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A Standalone Konqueror
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Calvin Morrison <mutantturkey(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I've seen many calls for a stand alone Konqueror. I have seen people who do
not want to use KDE3 anymore, but desperately miss their beloved Konqueror
asking for it. What do you all think about creating just a Konqueror tarball
for the releases, and push it out to package maintainers?
Frankly Konqueror is the best manager around, I think we might as well get
people hooked on it :)
Calvin Morrison
If you added Kate and Konsole to that I would love it.... <grin>
I also think you are right about getting people hooked.
Keith
6:14 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A Standalone Konqueror
On 19 December 2011 13:07, Keith Daniels <keithwdaniels(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Calvin Morrison
<mutantturkey(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
the old archlinux kde3 project called kdemod3 actually did this. Everything
was modularized so you only had to install what you wanted. We are planning
on doing this with our Arch Linux packages now. Pawel is heading up that
front.
Hello,
I've seen many calls for a stand alone Konqueror. I have seen people who
do
not want to use KDE3 anymore, but desperately
miss their beloved
Konqueror
asking for it. What do you all think about
creating just a Konqueror
tarball
for the releases, and push it out to package
maintainers?
Frankly Konqueror is the best manager around, I think we might as well
get
people hooked on it :)
Calvin Morrison
If you added Kate and Konsole to that I would love it.... <grin>
I also think you are right about getting people hooked.
Keith
6:18 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A Standalone Konqueror
Wonderful.... and I had decided to convert to Arch before I even heard this.
Keith
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Calvin Morrison <mutantturkey(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 19 December 2011 13:07, Keith Daniels <keithwdaniels(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Calvin Morrison <mutantturkey(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
the old archlinux kde3 project called kdemod3 actually did this. Everything
was modularized so you only had to install what you wanted. We are planning
on doing this with our Arch Linux packages now. Pawel is heading up that
front.
Hello,
I've seen many calls for a stand alone Konqueror. I have seen people who
do
not want to use KDE3 anymore, but desperately miss their beloved
Konqueror
asking for it. What do you all think about creating just a Konqueror
tarball
for the releases, and push it out to package maintainers?
Frankly Konqueror is the best manager around, I think we might as well
get
people hooked on it :)
Calvin Morrison
If you added Kate and Konsole to that I would love it.... <grin>
I also think you are right about getting people hooked.
Keith 
6:28 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A Standalone Konqueror
Calvin Morrison wrote:
On 19 December 2011 13:07, Keith Daniels
<keithwdaniels(a)gmail.com> wrote:
All I can say is that it takes a large subset of kdelibs/kdebase to do that:
$ ldd konqueror |grep trin
libkdeinit_konqueror.so => /opt/trinity/lib/libkdeinit_konqueror.so
libkonq.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkonq.so.4
libkutils.so.1 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkutils.so.1
libkparts.so.2 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkparts.so.2
libkio.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkio.so.4
libkdeui.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkdeui.so.4
libkdesu.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkdesu.so.4
libkwalletclient.so.1 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkwalletclient.so.1
libkdecore.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkdecore.so.4
libDCOP.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libDCOP.so.4
libkdefx.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkdefx.so.4
libtqt.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libtqt.so.4
$ ldd konsole |grep trin
libkdeinit_konsole.so => /opt/trinity/lib/libkdeinit_konsole.so
libkdeprint.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkdeprint.so.4
libkio.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkio.so.4
libkdeui.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkdeui.so.4
libkdesu.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkdesu.so.4
libkwalletclient.so.1 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkwalletclient.so.1
libkdecore.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkdecore.so.4
libDCOP.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libDCOP.so.4
libkdefx.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkdefx.so.4
libtqt.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libtqt.so.4
All I can say is that it is not a simple proposition. One person wants
konqueror, another wants konsole and kate, yet another will want
something else. Disk space is pretty cheap. It seems like a lot of
work for little advantage.
-- Bruce
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Calvin Morrison
<mutantturkey(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
the old archlinux kde3 project called kdemod3 actually did this. Everything
was modularized so you only had to install what you wanted. We are planning
on doing this with our Arch Linux packages now. Pawel is heading up that
front. Hello,
I've seen many calls for a stand alone Konqueror. I have seen people who
do
not want to use KDE3 anymore, but desperately
miss their beloved
Konqueror
asking for it. What do you all think about
creating just a Konqueror
tarball
for the releases, and push it out to package
maintainers?
Frankly Konqueror is the best manager around, I think we might as well
get
people hooked on it :)
Calvin Morrison
If you added Kate and Konsole to that I would love it.... <grin>
I also think you are right about getting people hooked.
Keith
6:45 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A Standalone Konqueror
All I can say is that it takes a large subset of
kdelibs/kdebase to do
that:
$ ldd konqueror |grep trin
libkdeinit_konqueror.so => /opt/trinity/lib/libkdeinit_konqueror.so
libkonq.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkonq.so.4
libkutils.so.1 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkutils.so.1
libkparts.so.2 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkparts.so.2
libkio.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkio.so.4
libkdeui.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkdeui.so.4
libkdesu.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkdesu.so.4
libkwalletclient.so.1 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkwalletclient.so.1
libkdecore.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkdecore.so.4
libDCOP.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libDCOP.so.4
libkdefx.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkdefx.so.4
libtqt.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libtqt.so.4
All of these are included in kdelibs, therefore not requiring kdebase at
all.
7:03 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A Standalone Konqueror
Calvin Morrison wrote:
Essentially Konqueror doesn't need the rest of
tdebase, and most of what it
depends on is from tdelibs. What it does depend on can be packaged in with
it.
Konqueror on my machine pulls in 72 different libraries, as a comparison,
firefox pulls in at 57 and mplayer at 142
I think it might be worth considering,
You are aware that you can run Konqueror on a non-Trinity window
manager, right? What does all this work to repackage do? Save a little
disk space and download bandwidth. How much? Is it worth it? Compared
to most YouTube views, the disk space and BW for installing all the base
commands are negligible.
To me, the cost/benefit is too low, but someone might want to do it.
--- Bruce
7:13 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A Standalone Konqueror
Calvin Morrison wrote:
Exactly. Cost/benefit WAY too low for consideration by the general TDE
project. If a distribution wants to do this "on the side" they are free
to do so. ;-)
Tim
Essentially Konqueror doesn't need the rest
of tdebase, and most of what
it
depends on is from tdelibs. What it does depend on can be packaged in
with
it.
Konqueror on my machine pulls in 72 different libraries, as a
comparison,
firefox pulls in at 57 and mplayer at 142
I think it might be worth considering,
You are aware that you can run Konqueror on a non-Trinity window
manager, right? What does all this work to repackage do? Save a little
disk space and download bandwidth. How much? Is it worth it? Compared
to most YouTube views, the disk space and BW for installing all the base
commands are negligible.
To me, the cost/benefit is too low, but someone might want to do it.
7:19 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A Standalone Konqueror
On 19 December 2011 14:13, Timothy Pearson <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net>wrote;wrote:
Okay,
Me and Pawel "L0ner" have been discussing the modularization of trinity
applications that belong in kdebase/kdegrahpics/kdenetwork etc. They are
almost all independent applications, and could be seperated as such.
Just trying to throw something fresh on the table,
Calvin Morrison
Calvin
Morrison wrote:
Exactly. Cost/benefit WAY too low for consideration by the general TDE
project. If a distribution wants to do this "on the side" they are free
to do so. ;-)
Tim Essentially Konqueror doesn't need the rest
of tdebase, and most of what
it
depends on is from tdelibs. What it does depend on can be packaged in
with
it.
Konqueror on my machine pulls in 72 different libraries, as a
comparison,
firefox pulls in at 57 and mplayer at 142
I think it might be worth considering,
You are aware that you can run Konqueror on a non-Trinity window
manager, right? What does all this work to repackage do? Save a little
disk space and download bandwidth. How much? Is it worth it? Compared
to most YouTube views, the disk space and BW for installing all the base
commands are negligible.
To me, the cost/benefit is too low, but someone might want to do it.
7:05 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A Standalone Konqueror
2011/12/19 Calvin Morrison <mutantturkey(a)gmail.com>om>:
Besides, through modularizations we allow users to choose what
actually goes in their system.
I think it's a good idea.
All I can say is that it takes a large subset of
kdelibs/kdebase to do
that:
$ ldd konqueror |grep trin
libkdeinit_konqueror.so => /opt/trinity/lib/libkdeinit_konqueror.so
libkonq.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkonq.so.4
libkutils.so.1 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkutils.so.1
libkparts.so.2 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkparts.so.2
libkio.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkio.so.4
libkdeui.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkdeui.so.4
libkdesu.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkdesu.so.4
libkwalletclient.so.1 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkwalletclient.so.1
libkdecore.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkdecore.so.4
libDCOP.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libDCOP.so.4
libkdefx.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libkdefx.so.4
libtqt.so.4 => /opt/trinity/lib/libtqt.so.4
All of these are included in kdelibs, therefore not requiring kdebase at
all.
All I can say is that it is not a simple proposition. One person wants
konqueror, another wants konsole and kate, yet another will want something
else. Disk space is pretty cheap. It seems like a lot of work for little
advantage.
I am aware that it does drag in a hefty bit of libraries. Here is a quote
from a user who mentioned this on reddit today:
"So? Start with Trinity, strip away everything that isn't needed for
Konqueror 3 functionality, and package it? I don't *care* if the end result
is half a Gig in size - that doesn't matter. The functionality does"
Essentially Konqueror doesn't need the rest of tdebase, and most of what it
depends on is from tdelibs. What it does depend on can be packaged in with
it.
Konqueror on my machine pulls in 72 different libraries, as a comparison,
firefox pulls in at 57 and mplayer at 142
I think it might be worth considering,
Calvin Morrison 
8:25 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A Standalone Konqueror
I am aware that it does drag in a hefty bit of
libraries. Here is a quote from a user who mentioned this on
reddit today:
"So? Start with Trinity, strip away
everything that isn't needed for Konqueror 3
functionality, and package it? I don't *care* if the end
result is half a Gig in size - that doesn't matter. The
functionality does"
Essentially Konqueror doesn't need the rest
of tdebase, and most of what it depends on is from tdelibs.
What it does depend on can be packaged in with
it.
Konqueror on my machine pulls in 72 different
libraries, as a comparison, firefox pulls in at 57 and
mplayer at 142
I think it might be worth
considering,
A common complaint I read often in reviews is from people wanting to use a sole notable
KDE app in a GTK environment is using that one app requires loading several KDE related
libraries. Amarok, Digikam, etc. Same complaint will be heard with Konqueror. :)
Of course, I dislike using GTK apps in KDE3/TDE. :)
One of the significant reasons I remain with KDE3/TDE is Konqueror as a file manager.
Offering the app as a stand alone is an interesting topic but is the goal worth the
effort? People running GTK desktops are unlikely to be motivated. People running GNOME or
Unity are unlikely to be motivated. People running KDE4 are unlikely to be motivated.
I'm not against the idea. Just saying the payback might be nominal at best. :)
With that said, as an R15 priority I VERY MUCH would like to see a move toward
modularizing TDE. That move would reduce build and debugging issues and could very well
help your idea too.
Darrell
8:29 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] A Standalone Konqueror
the old archlinux kde3 project called kdemod3
actually did this. Everything was modularized so you only
had to install what you wanted. We are planning on doing
this with our Arch Linux packages now. Pawel is heading up
that front.
As an R15 priority I VERY MUCH would like to see a move toward modularizing TDE. That move
would reduce build and debugging issues and could very well induce people to download
specific TDE packages.
Please share this information with the dev team!
Darrell
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