I suppose this is a packager problem, but the original idea of a default player is no external dependencies. MPlayer is well supported but is not part of a stock installation on all distros. Other dependency presumptions exist in Trinity (for example, xine for amarok), yet nominating kmplayer as a default video player and moving into tdemultimedia means MPlayer needs to be installed. Audio players are not the same challenge. We have kaboodle, noatun, and juk, all installed by the base package tdemultimedia. Fixing kaboodle gets us half way home. The other half is update kaboodle to support newer generations of avi/mpg and like or not, probably should support flv. For a default player that will suffice. People who want extensive video format coverage are going to install something else anyway. For Trinity users those additional apps will be kaffiene and kmplayer for video and amarok for audio. Not a problem for those types of users. We are discussing a basic default video player for the first-time out-of-the-box Trinity experience. Darrell