kmenu/office/personal information management/

The menu was almost impossible to spot due to it being non- standard all lower case. It looks like this was just a temporary placeholder that got forgotten about. Is this an intended change? If so, I suggest a patch to put an 'e-mail' entry back under 'internet' where people usually look for 'internet' apps and

I have no idea how you get all lower case. On my system the menu is proper mixed case:

Personal Information Management

perhaps shortening the sub-menu folder name from

personal information management

to simply

PIM

or

Trinity - PIM

Acronyms in a menu? How does 'PIM' translate in Swahili? Not going to happen.

Burring kmail, kaddressbook, kontact, kalarm, and kgqg under kmenu/office/personal information management/ just seems like a recipe for complaint:

You are the first and only person to complain since we made the changes many, many months ago.

http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/ss/tdepim-submenu.jpg

According to that image, I don't see any all lower case instances of anything. All proper mixed case.

If we are dead-set on having a "personal information management" menu, then at least make it consistent in standard "title" case and move it to a top-level menu as:

Personal Information Management

That is how the menu already appears on my system and in your screenshot. Something is wrong at your end.

And at least add kmail and kontact entries back to the Internet menu. Further regarding the 'Internet' menu -- all submenus have disappeared. Looking.. All submenus in tmenu or kmenu are gone except for one 'Super User' submenu under System and the normal 'Games', 'Development' and 'Edutainment' submenus. I like the menu cleanup, but we need to put internet apps back under 'Internet'.

That all said, I am uncomfortable with the Personal Information Management sub menu. Our original goal was to reduce clutter. Try using the original menu in 3.5.13.x with KDE4 concurrently installed. Impossible to navigate with all the duplication and the menu size exceeds the desktop height. Even now, on a 1200x800 laptop screen, with a full Trinity installation, the menu is long and nearly pushes the edge of the top of the screen. Without the KDE submenus, the problem would be exactly the same.

Pulling the apps from the Personal Information Management submenu into parent menus will make the menus longer.

Try using Xfce with Trinity and KDE4 installed. There are no submenus. Horrible.

Office seems more natural to me than Internet to find KMail. Lots of people use mail clients in local office networks. I suspect most office users do not consider mail an internet app but an office app. Likewise for other PIM apps. The internet is only an extension of those office related apps.

I'll tinker to see what we can do.

Darrell