After fiddling and tweaking here is my proposal: Personal Information Management submenu Move to Internet menu: Mail Alert (Korn) Mail Client (KMail) Move to Office menu: Address Manager (KAddressBook) Encryption tool (KGpg) Note Taker (KJots) Personal Alarm Scheduler (KAlarm) Personal Information Manager (Kontact) Personal Organizer (KOrganizer) Personal Time Tracker (KArm) Signature Editor (KSig) TDE Groupware Wizard TNEF File Viewer (KTnef) Delete Personal Information Management submenu from the menu structure. With this arrangement, including the KDE(4) submenu, and an almost full Trinity install, on my 1280x800 laptop screen I can open the Trinity Internet and Office menus without unfolding into a second column. Hopefully there are very few users who install every single Trinity app. Therefore menu size and clutter should not be a problem for most users. Is this acceptable? Darrell

After fiddling and tweaking here is my proposal: Personal Information Management submenu Move to Internet menu: Mail Alert (Korn) Mail Client (KMail) Move to Office menu: Address Manager (KAddressBook) Encryption tool (KGpg) Note Taker (KJots) Personal Alarm Scheduler (KAlarm) Personal Information Manager (Kontact) Personal Organizer (KOrganizer) Personal Time Tracker (KArm) Signature Editor (KSig) TDE Groupware Wizard TNEF File Viewer (KTnef) Delete Personal Information Management submenu from the menu structure. With this arrangement, including the KDE(4) submenu, and an almost full Trinity install, on my 1280x800 laptop screen I can open the Trinity Internet and Office menus without unfolding into a second column. Hopefully there are very few users who install every single Trinity app. Therefore menu size and clutter should not be a problem for most users. Is this acceptable?