Which ksmserver dialog are you referring to? There are several. Tim

Looks like. It also seems that this would not be something we would want, as it applies a different theme than what the user's desktop is using. Tim

On Feb 16, 2012 7:54 PM, "Ilya Chernykh" <anixxsus(a)gmail.com> wrote: http://gitorious.org/kdemod3/kdemod3/blobs/master/kdebase/20-ksmserver_them… extensive. trinity-devel-unsubscribe(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net trinity-devel-help(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/ http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting Negative IIRC it was never merged. Pawel mentioned last week wanting to merge it, so it probably isn't already Calvin

On 16 February 2012 17:38, Darrell Anderson <humanreadable(a)yahoo.com> wrote: Honestly i'd rather get rid of the shutdown dialog 100% :-)

On 16 February 2012 18:01, David C. Rankin <drankinatty(a)suddenlinkmail.com> wrote: Right on, but how far do we take this? every time something is to change we continue to keep old stuff? hello pileup of old crap...

*The one that did catch my eye was 'Zeroconf Service Discovery'. With the new uses for avahi for iphone printing, etc., it might be nice to have an interface to it in kcontrol.* On this topic i have the service working nicely. Avahi should be present before building, and the user/group already created (read the avahi SBo readme for this). I'm using a patched avahi package and also nss-mdns-0.10-i486-1. Zeroconf seems to be working nicely. One thing i noticed about themes (which is not super important for me, but my users cry about it) is that standard kde-look.org themes just don't work with trinity. I couldn't compile any of them, and simply changing paths or symlinking doesn't cut it. There is even a prebuilt trinity-domino slackware theme that doesn't work for me on slackware. I would like to get moodin working for trinity ... but need to wait until git is unborked. Jay Slackware user On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:14 PM, David C. Rankin < drankinatty(a)suddenlinkmail.com&gt; wrote:

Moodin sources are already building for Kubuntu in TDE v3.5.13. This does bring up a good point; we should create a themes folder in GIT and import some of the good themes from kde-look.org. Tim

Crap to whom? Remember the ancient adage that one person's garbage is another person's treasures. :) A while ago I restored some Kate features that a previous developer had labeled "useless crap." I'm just tickled pink to have those features restored. I seem to recall you having interest in those restored snippets --- wanting to sort the file list or something like that. So here we are, both happy to be using somebody else's "useless crap." :) Darrell

Fair enough. :) Are we going to see mockups and allow discussion on those mockups before code is merged into GIT? Darrell

On 16 February 2012 20:02, Calvin Morrison &lt;mutantturkey(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Here is a mockup! This is how it is to look - notwithstanding basic order changes ( I just stuck them without much thought) what do you think? Calvin

Looks great. A click saver and much more intuitive. This would certainly change my *init 0* habit. JJay On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 2:18 AM, Timothy Pearson < kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net&gt; wrote:

One of the aspects of usability us experienced users need to remind ourselves is how clueless most users really are. I was reminded of this the past several days as family visited. Some of the conversations were about technology. I noticed that everybody but me phrased their thoughts in terms of brand names rather than device names. For example, one person presumed Kindles were the only ebook readers on the planet. Several of these people don't use computers and often the conversations left those people sitting like proverbial wall flowers. A neighbor down the road was given an iPod for a gift. He was told to connect the iPod to his portable CD player. I had to explain to him basic terms of using the CD player and iPod to control the selections stored in the iPod. I have worked often with very intelligent people in the engineering and technical fields. Yet almost all of them are clueless about using or configuring computers. Anything that happened out of their ordinary experiences of using a computer almost always resulted in a trip to visit me to provide answers. I'm talking about very intelligent people, yet they don't know the basic keyboard shortcuts of Ctrl-X, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, and Ctrl-Z. Yes, I'm serious. Now consider the run-of-the-mill people of average intelligence. We can't rip features that any of these types of users expect or have become accustomed to. KDE has always been the most configurable 'nix desktop environment. Although not always embraced or followed, "the user decides" is a foundation design element in the KDE family. I want to see Trinity continue that tradition. Adding check boxes in KControl solves the configuration problems for everybody. Anybody who subscribes to this list is computer savvy. The standards we adopt for using computers is way different than just about everybody else. Us experienced users need gobs of compassion to create computer desktop environments the masses will embrace and use. This is the approach I prefer. For the hard-core minimalists, perhaps we provide documentation with building tdebase such that the dialog is preconfigured as disabled. Perhaps add a build option too. That somewhat ties into my conversations about creating a wiki page to address something called Trinity Light. Darrell

As i write this the kdelook.org site is 'down for maintenance'. I did notice they were experiencing high charge on there servers yesterday. Anyway the main themes i was trying to build were 'crystal' and 'domino', the latter of which was already built but not working for my /usr prefix. Moodin would also be nice, if it is working for kubuntu i will sort that one out when access is up again. Jay On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 1:42 AM, Timothy Pearson < kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net&gt; wrote:

On 02/16/2012 08:05 PM, Jay wrote: I think crystal is the finest window decoration ever conceived. (just my personal preference) It is one of the only ones that will do active transparency. This is illustrated best in this screenshot. The desktop is reflections on water with a black top and reflections in the center. Look at the window decoration both on the control center and on the about dialog. Crystal is a must :) http://nirvana.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/ss/kcontrol_3.5.12-1.jpg For a look at the background: http://nirvana.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/ss/reflection_1440.jpg I also have a kdm login screen that goes with it that is available for tde as well: http://nirvana.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/ss/reflection_kdm.jpg (I have tweaked the colors on the dialogs, but haven't created a new screenshot) The kdm_theme named reflection_kdm is here: http://nirvana.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/thm/reflection_kdm-1.1.tar.gz I believe it is currently sized for 1920x1200, but with minor tweaks to the .xml file it can fit any resolution. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

On 02/17/2012 05:35 AM, Jay wrote: I have built crystal several times for 3.5.12. It has been a while. I'll look for the source and build script and post links. There is no reason it shouldn't build -- other than the cmake stuff. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

On 02/16/2012 04:38 PM, Darrell Anderson wrote: +1 - user control was the old mantra. I really like the idea of seeing if we can identify more of the applets that could be logically merged to remove some of the kmenu entries -- without losing the capabilities. Currently kcontrol has 99 entries. It could have 999 and it wouldn't bother me -- as long as they were logically grouped. I use konqueror in tree view - I can handle nested folders :p -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.