Francois shared yesterday that he uploaded Fedora packages. Should there now be a link in the web site and wiki? Darrell

Weeks?!? I would have thought minimal QA was to ensure all mirrors were ready before pushing the official announcement. Carts and horses and all that. Darrell

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA224 Donations have dropped off sharply over the past two years (probably due to the lack of new releases); believe it or not I pull in less than 15% of my total *operating* costs (this does not include the cost of the equipment itself). This is a large donation on my part to the project, in addition to the heavy development I have done on TDE over the past 6 years, and I cannot continue to bleed cash on the required scale just to have a faster upload of packages I don't even use. From what I gather this is the sad state of affairs in many open source projects these days; this is all probably related to global economic issues but I cannot be sure. I am hoping R14 will revitalize the project financially and I can then revisit these decisions, but for now I am constrained by factors outside of my control. TDE will continue to exist (a GIT server is quite cheap), but the future form of this project will be determined by our users in the coming months. They were, but the RPM builds were not ready. I made an administrative decision to release R14 at this time as the source was ready and the Debian/Ubuntu builds were ready. I considered that it would do more damage to both halt development for that length of time and spread out the "release" (thus causing loss of visibility) than it would to simply delay the RPM build availability. While TDE has grown significantly from its early days we are still very small compared to large corporate-sponsored projects like KDE, Gnome, systemd, etc. This means our development process will, by nature, be slower and bumpier than that of the larger projects. Tim

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014/12/17 11:09 PM, Timothy Pearson wrote: This is not a "polemic" mail. Just want to raise awareness. I have been trying to test updating from 3.5.13.2 to R14.0.0 over the last 3 days, but the package download speed has been *ridiculously* slow for several big packages (like tdelibs for example), something like 821 B/s or 1109 B/s just to give some numbers. Not to mention the amount of timeouts I received. I understand the financial situation of the project (so the absence of any type of polemic complaint), but we are definitely not doing any good to us with this situation. Potential new users may just turn away when they try to download Trinity. IMO, in the future we must make sure that a package-wise fully updated mirror system is working properly before announcing the next release. Cheers Michele

Can't the mirrors use bittorrent to sync? -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA.

On Thursday 18 of December 2014 20:05:09 Timothy Pearson wrote: Thank you for the information. This makes my previous mail obsolete :) -- Slávek

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA224 Correct; to avoid that for R14 I had changed two things: 1.) I started synchronizing large packages that would not change from the RC to Final (such as the l18n files) weeks in advance of the final R14 builds. 2.) I created a new mirroring redirector that falls back to the master server if a file is not present on the mirror system. This allows us (theoretically) to release even if the mirror synchronization is at, say, 98% complete instead of having to wait for 100% completion. Unfortunately this still wasn't enough judging from the mailing lists. The issue in this cycle was our primary mirror re-downloading each file at least twice, thereby wasting at least 50% of the TDE project's upload bandwidth. Needless to say I am working on replacing that mirror. Tim