Who wrote the Trinity page on Archwiki? I have some input about minor changes. The package "kate-plugins-trinity" is in the Ubuntu distro for 3.5.13 but not in the Arch packages that David Rankin put up at http://archlinux.us.to/3.5.13/. Is this intentional or accidental? I do realize that this wasn't the final release and that everything was not included. I assume that there are plans to release a 3.5.13.1 version for Arch...? I installed 3.5.13 from the above link using the 9/12 release of Archlinix. Trinity installed fine and I have it running on a "pure" systemd setup but I am not sure if hal is working correctly. When the new 13-1 release is out for Arch, I will reinstall everything on a clean hard drive and open a Arch forum page to discuss using Trinity on Arch with systemd -- assuming that kate-plugins is available -- because if it is not, I will have no choice but to use one of the other distros that provides it. Keith