On 06/07/2012 11:01 AM, Darrell Anderson wrote:

The default window sizes of just about all TDE apps drive me nuts. They all are designed for a 640x480 screen. My favorite example is to open the "Add Applet to Panel" dialog ("right-click" on the panel) --- the default dialog is a joke.

With that said, what is a safe minimal size for dialogs and app windows? I don't know know what recent usability studies say, but I'd like us to change as many as possible. The sooner the better. I'll do the grunt work and test but somebody familiar with the code base needs to tell me where to find these settings.

Darrell

The real answer to the question is "whatever the maximum required to display all the kcontrol widgets". That being said, the 640x480 default probably came from KDE1 when VGA was the new standard. The fly in the ointment is the new 10" mini laptops -- I don't know what their resolution is, but I think we could safely do 800x760 as the default kcontrol size.

What we need to do is just run kcontrol and find out what the max size needs to be using kruler. I'll take a look tonight and see what I come up with. I'm betting that 800x760 would do while still preserving usability with the 1320x768 res monitors.

On 7 June 2012 13:13, Darrell Anderson humanreadable@yahoo.com wrote:

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The real answer to the question is "whatever the maximum required to display all the kcontrol widgets".  That being said, the 640x480 default probably came from KDE1 when VGA was the new standard. The fly in the ointment is the new 10" mini laptops -- I don't know what their resolution is, but I think we could safely do 800x760 as the default kcontrol size.

What we need to do is just run kcontrol and find out what the max size needs to be using kruler. I'll take a look tonight and see what I come up with. I'm betting that 800x760 would do while still preserving usability with the 1320x768 res monitors.

Sounds nice. You also have to knnow where in the sources to make the change. Somewhere in tdebase/kcontrol? :-)

Darrell

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I have problems viewing windows still on my 2011 Laptop! of course it is only 1024x768 so sometimes windows are to tall for my viewing!

If you can't fit what you need in 800x768 pixels, you probably are cramming the page up to much, or require a better method of displaying options.

Calvin

On 7 June 2012 13:33, Darrell Anderson humanreadable@yahoo.com wrote:

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I have problems viewing windows still on my 2011 Laptop! of course it is only 1024x768 so sometimes windows are to tall for my viewing!

If you can't fit what you need in 800x768 pixels, you probably are cramming the page up to much, or require a better method of displaying options.

There you go. :-) In my previous reply I wrote "reasonably decent hardware." I meant that there are no guarantees everybody has hardware allowing us to blindly change default window sizes.

That does not mean some default window sizes can't be changed. What is a minimum screen size we should presume? 1024x768? 800x600? 640x480? That last size is always the ultra conservative safe value.

The default window size for KControl in a new Trinity profile is 976x745. Looks like 800x600 is a presumed minimum screen size.

Darrell

The real solution is to have windows that will scale reasonable well to a smaller size (like a scrollbar or something if necessary)

On 7 June 2012 13:51, Darrell Anderson humanreadable@yahoo.com wrote:

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The default window size for KControl in a new Trinity

profile is 976x745. Looks like 800x600 is a presumed minimum screen size.

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The real solution is to have windows that will scale reasonable well to a smaller size (like a scrollbar or something if necessary)

Sounds great! That probably requires a significant overhaul of the source code?

Darrell

It might just be embedding the kcm modules (which are wrapped by kcontrol/kcm into a window already) within a scroll view

http://trinitydesktop.org/docs/qt3/qscrollview.html#details

Tim, is that logical?

Calvin

That does not mean some default window sizes can't be changed. What is a minimum screen size we should presume? 1024x768? 800x600? 640x480? That last size is always the ultra conservative safe value.

The default window size for KControl in a new Trinity profile is 976x745. Looks like 800x600 is a presumed minimum screen size.

I think it must be guaranteed that the window fits on the screen, what ever the physical dimension is. I remember a bug in KDE and TDE up to 3.5.12 that did not allow users to make the contents of the kcontrol window smaller than 1024px, when the user ever enlarged the window >= 1024px including decoration. that was especially anoying on screens with 1024px width, where maximizing kcontrol triggerd that behaviour. Next time you start kcontrol it was wider than zthe screen and did not want to shrink.

Nik

On Thursday 07 of June 2012 19:15:33 Darrell Anderson wrote:

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Would somebody please run a quick check in KControl to confirm the following:

• Large category icons. Screen grabs:

http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/kcontrol-tde-1.png

http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/kcontrol-tde-3.png

• Missing icon for Internet & Network->Web

Browser. Screen grab:

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http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/kcontrol-tde-2.png

• Missing icon for Peripheral->Information. Screen

grab:

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http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/kcontrol-tde-3.png

Thanks.

Darrell

Also confirmed.

Thanks.

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I use KDE Classic icons, and there are some other errors.

Yes, I know. I added some kdeclassic icons to fix some of those problems in GIT hash 970e8eb9. :-) The patch should backport to 3.5.13 too.

Darrell

Great, thank you, I look at this.

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