6 Jun
2012
6 Jun
'12
2:36 p.m.
Would somebody please run a quick check in KControl to confirm the following:
* Large category icons. Screen grabs:
http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/kcontrol-tde-1.png
http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/kcontrol-tde-3.png
* Missing icon for Internet & Network->Web Browser. Screen grab:
http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/kcontrol-tde-2.png
* Missing icon for Peripheral->Information. Screen grab:
http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/kcontrol-tde-3.png
Thanks.
Darrell
7 Jun
7 Jun
1:04 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] KControl Anomalies
On 06/06/2012 09:36 AM, Darrell Anderson wrote:
Would somebody please run a quick check in KControl to
confirm the following:
* Large category icons. Screen grabs:
http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/kcontrol-tde-1.png
I get this -- but the default window size for kcontrol is too small and causes
the text in the Appearance & Themes window making it look awkward.
same - same default window size comment.
* Missing icon for Internet & Network->Web Browser. Screen grab:
http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/kcontrol-tde-2.png
confirmed
>
> * Missing icon for Peripheral->Information. Screen grab:
>
confirmed
--
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
4:01 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] KControl Anomalies
Would somebody
please run a quick check in KControl to
confirm the following:
* Large category icons. Screen grabs:
http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/kcontrol-tde-1.png
I get this -- but the default window size for kcontrol is
too small and causes the text in the Appearance & Themes window making it
look awkward.
same - same default window size comment.
* Missing icon for Internet & Network->Web
Browser. Screen grab:
confirmed
* Missing icon for Peripheral->Information. Screen
grab:
>
confirmed
4:51 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] KControl Anomalies
On 06/07/2012 11:01 AM, Darrell Anderson wrote:
The default window sizes of just about all TDE apps
drive me nuts. They all are designed for a 640x480 screen. My favorite example is to open
the "Add Applet to Panel" dialog ("right-click" on the panel) --- the
default dialog is a joke.
With that said, what is a safe minimal size for dialogs and app windows? I don't know
know what recent usability studies say, but I'd like us to change as many as possible.
The sooner the better. I'll do the grunt work and test but somebody familiar with the
code base needs to tell me where to find these settings.
Darrell
The real answer to the question is "whatever the maximum required to display all
the kcontrol widgets". That being said, the 640x480 default probably came from
KDE1 when VGA was the new standard. The fly in the ointment is the new 10" mini
laptops -- I don't know what their resolution is, but I think we could safely do
800x760 as the default kcontrol size.
What we need to do is just run kcontrol and find out what the max size needs to
be using kruler. I'll take a look tonight and see what I come up with. I'm
betting that 800x760 would do while still preserving usability with the 1320x768
res monitors.
--
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
5:13 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] KControl Anomalies
The real answer to the question is "whatever the
maximum
required to display all
the kcontrol widgets". That being said, the 640x480
default probably came from
KDE1 when VGA was the new standard. The fly in the ointment
is the new 10" mini
laptops -- I don't know what their resolution is, but I
think we could safely do
800x760 as the default kcontrol size.
What we need to do is just run kcontrol and find out what
the max size needs to
be using kruler. I'll take a look tonight and see what I
come up with. I'm
betting that 800x760 would do while still preserving
usability with the 1320x768
res monitors.
Sounds nice. You also have to knnow where in the sources to make the change. Somewhere in
tdebase/kcontrol? :-)
Darrell
5:17 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] KControl Anomalies
On 7 June 2012 13:13, Darrell Anderson <humanreadable(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
I have problems viewing windows still on my 2011 Laptop! of course it
is only 1024x768 so sometimes windows are to tall for my viewing!
If you can't fit what you need in 800x768 pixels, you probably are
cramming the page up to much, or require a better method of displaying
options.
Calvin
The real
answer to the question is "whatever the maximum
required to display all
the kcontrol widgets". That being said, the 640x480
default probably came from
KDE1 when VGA was the new standard. The fly in the ointment
is the new 10" mini
laptops -- I don't know what their resolution is, but I
think we could safely do
800x760 as the default kcontrol size.
What we need to do is just run kcontrol and find out what
the max size needs to
be using kruler. I'll take a look tonight and see what I
come up with. I'm
betting that 800x760 would do while still preserving
usability with the 1320x768
res monitors.
Sounds nice. You also have to knnow where in the sources to make the change. Somewhere in
tdebase/kcontrol? :-)
Darrell
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5:33 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] KControl Anomalies
I have problems viewing windows still on my 2011
Laptop! of
course it is only 1024x768 so sometimes windows are to tall for my
viewing!
If you can't fit what you need in 800x768 pixels, you
probably are cramming the page up to much, or require a better method of
displaying options.
There you go. :-) In my previous reply I wrote "reasonably decent hardware." I
meant that there are no guarantees everybody has hardware allowing us to blindly change
default window sizes.
That does not mean some default window sizes can't be changed. What is a minimum
screen size we should presume? 1024x768? 800x600? 640x480? That last size is always the
ultra conservative safe value.
The default window size for KControl in a new Trinity profile is 976x745. Looks like
800x600 is a presumed minimum screen size.
Darrell
5:39 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] KControl Anomalies
On 7 June 2012 13:33, Darrell Anderson <humanreadable(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
The real solution is to have windows that will scale reasonable well
to a smaller size (like a scrollbar or something if necessary)
I have
problems viewing windows still on my 2011 Laptop! of
course it is only 1024x768 so sometimes windows are to tall for my
viewing!
If you can't fit what you need in 800x768 pixels, you
probably are cramming the page up to much, or require a better method of
displaying options.
There you go. :-) In my previous reply I wrote "reasonably decent hardware." I
meant that there are no guarantees everybody has hardware allowing us to blindly change
default window sizes.
That does not mean some default window sizes can't be changed. What is a minimum
screen size we should presume? 1024x768? 800x600? 640x480? That last size is always the
ultra conservative safe value.
The default window size for KControl in a new Trinity profile is 976x745. Looks like
800x600 is a presumed minimum screen size.
Darrell
5:51 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] KControl Anomalies
The default
window size for KControl in a new Trinity
profile is 976x745. Looks like 800x600 is
a presumed minimum
screen size.
5:53 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] KControl Anomalies
On 7 June 2012 13:51, Darrell Anderson <humanreadable(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
The real solution is to have windows that
will scale
reasonable well to a smaller size (like a scrollbar or something if
necessary)
Sounds great! That probably requires a significant overhaul of the source code?
Darrell
It might just be embedding the kcm modules (which are wrapped by
kcontrol/kcm into a window already) within a scroll view
http://trinitydesktop.org/docs/qt3/qscrollview.html#details
Tim, is that logical?
Calvin
The default window size for KControl in a new Trinity
profile is 976x745. Looks like 800x600 is a presumed minimum
screen size.
5:54 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] KControl Anomalies
On 7 June 2012 13:53, Calvin Morrison <mutantturkey(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 7 June 2012 13:51, Darrell Anderson
<humanreadable(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
The real solution is to have windows that
will scale
reasonable well to a smaller size (like a scrollbar or something if
necessary)
Sounds great! That probably requires a significant overhaul of the source code?
Darrell
It might just be embedding the kcm modules (which are wrapped by
kcontrol/kcm into a window already) within a scroll view
http://trinitydesktop.org/docs/qt3/qscrollview.html#details
Tim, is that logical?
Calvin
The scroll view is actually already done by KControl afaik - so maybe
just kcmshell needs it?
The default window size for KControl in a new Trinity
profile is 976x745. Looks like 800x600 is a presumed minimum
screen size.
7:29 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] KControl Anomalies
That does not mean some default window sizes can't
be changed. What is a
minimum screen size we should presume? 1024x768? 800x600? 640x480? That
last size is always the ultra conservative safe value.
The default window size for KControl in a new Trinity profile is 976x745.
Looks like 800x600 is a presumed minimum screen size.
I think it must be guaranteed that the window fits on the screen, what ever
the physical dimension is. I remember a bug in KDE and TDE up to 3.5.12 that
did not allow users to make the contents of the kcontrol window smaller than
1024px, when the user ever enlarged the window >= 1024px including
decoration. that was especially anoying on screens with 1024px width, where
maximizing kcontrol triggerd that behaviour. Next time you start kcontrol it
was wider than zthe screen and did not want to shrink.
Nik
4:56 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] KControl Anomalies
On Wednesday 06 of June 2012 16:36:58 Darrell Anderson wrote:
Would somebody please run a quick check in KControl to
confirm the
following:
* Large category icons. Screen grabs:
http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/kcontrol-tde-1.png
http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/kcontrol-tde-3.png
* Missing icon for Internet & Network->Web Browser. Screen grab:
http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/kcontrol-tde-2.png
* Missing icon for Peripheral->Information. Screen grab:
http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/kcontrol-tde-3.png
Thanks.
Darrell
Also confirmed. I use KDE Classic icons, and there are some other errors.
Slavek
--
5:15 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] KControl Anomalies
Would somebody
please run a quick check in KControl to confirm the
following:
* Large category icons. Screen grabs:
http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/kcontrol-tde-1.png
http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/kcontrol-tde-3.png
* Missing icon for Internet & Network->Web
Browser. Screen grab:
http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/kcontrol-tde-2.png
* Missing icon for Peripheral->Information. Screen
grab:
Also confirmed. I use KDE Classic icons, and there are some
other errors.
Yes, I know. I added some kdeclassic icons to fix some of those problems in GIT hash
970e8eb9. :-) The patch should backport to 3.5.13 too.
Darrell
5:20 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] KControl Anomalies
On Thursday 07 of June 2012 19:15:33 Darrell Anderson wrote:
Thanks.
Great, thank you, I look at this.
Slavek
--
Would somebody please run a quick check in KControl to
confirm the
following:
* Large category icons. Screen grabs:
http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/kcontrol-tde-1.png
http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/kcontrol-tde-3.png
* Missing icon for Internet & Network->Web
Browser. Screen grab:
http://humanreadable.nfshost.com/trinity/build_logs/kcontrol-tde-2.png
* Missing icon for Peripheral->Information. Screen
grab:
Also confirmed. I use KDE Classic icons, and there are some
other errors.
Yes, I know. I added some kdeclassic icons to fix some of those problems in
GIT hash 970e8eb9. :-) The patch should backport to 3.5.13 too.
Darrell
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