I see these types of messages in the xsession log: Launched ok, pid = 5906 Launched ok, pid = 5930 Launched ok, pid = 5972 Launched ok, pid = 6014 The process IDs are momentary. They are not in the ps list. At one point I traced the messages to the KControl/Appearances/Style dialog box. I was testing the toolbar grabber handles when I first noticed the messages. Every time I selected the Apply button, one of these messages appeared in the .xsession-errors log. However, I see the messages without accessing KControl too. The messages seem harmless, but most people do not like mystery messages in their xsession logs. Would be nice if, like we did with the startkde script, the messages provided a prefix or other clue as to exactly what launched a process. Darrell