I have just installed 11.4 and Libre Office 3.3.1 uses GTK front-end under 11.4. With OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 under 11.3 all was OK.
I have just installed 11.4 and Libre Office 3.3.1 uses GTK front-end under 11.4. With OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 under 11.3 all was OK.
Yes, this is known to some extent. I have been providing a patched version of OpenOffice for Ubuntu and Debian for some time now; it might be a good idea to get upstream support for Trinity into the stock OpenOffice/LibreOffice sources at this point. Any volunteers to work through the red tape and get the Trinity integration officially supported?
Tim
On Friday 11 March 2011 23:04:59 Timothy Pearson wrote:
I have just installed 11.4 and Libre Office 3.3.1 uses GTK front-end under 11.4. With OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 under 11.3 all was OK.
Yes, this is known to some extent.
Do you mean KDE3 is not supported in OpenOffice.org as well, not only in Libre Office?
I have been providing a patched version of OpenOffice for Ubuntu and Debian for some time now;
I want to empathize: they removed not only KDE dialogs support, but the support for Qt3 appearance.
it might be a good idea to get upstream support for Trinity into the stock OpenOffice/LibreOffice sources at this point. Any volunteers to work through the red tape and get the Trinity integration officially supported?
I think it is impossible: KDE3 support was removed intentionally although worked well. They just will say "we removed it to free space".
On Friday 11 March 2011 23:04:59 Timothy Pearson wrote:
I have just installed OpenOffice 3.3 from Oracle and it works well with KDE3
On 11 March 2011 16:09, Ilya Chernykh neptunia@mail.ru wrote:
On Friday 11 March 2011 23:04:59 Timothy Pearson wrote:
I have just installed OpenOffice 3.3 from Oracle and it works well with KDE3
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Frankly Oracle sucks, and so does Open Office.
It is unacceptable to use it as far as i am concerned. it has become unusable and bloaty over the years and Oracle has prevented it from maturing. LibreOffice is the viable alternative. I think that if we get them to patch back in the KDE3 stuff that would be worth it. using Open Office is not worth it.
Calvin Morrison
On 03/11/2011 03:13 PM, calvin morrison wrote:
On 11 March 2011 16:09, Ilya Chernykhneptunia@mail.ru wrote:
On Friday 11 March 2011 23:04:59 Timothy Pearson wrote:
I have just installed OpenOffice 3.3 from Oracle and it works well with KDE3
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Frankly Oracle sucks, and so does Open Office.
It is unacceptable to use it as far as i am concerned. it has become unusable and bloaty over the years and Oracle has prevented it from maturing. LibreOffice is the viable alternative. I think that if we get them to patch back in the KDE3 stuff that would be worth it. using Open Office is not worth it.
Calvin Morrison
I share the sentiment in large part, but let's never forget "You catch more flies with honey than you do salt..."
Much of the support drop over the past 2 years has been the result of kde.org dropping kde3. The 3rd-party software has just followed their lead.
I don't know, but it just strikes me that if oracle was approached and made aware that the Trinity project has matured and is kde3 based and ooo support would benefit both -- then I don't see why support can't just be put back in.
After all - it exists, it's not like something new has to be developed, they just have to include what they used to include.
I think that's worth a shot and makes sense all the way around :)
On Saturday 12 March 2011 05:38:15 David C. Rankin wrote:
Much of the support drop over the past 2 years has been the result of kde.org dropping kde3. The 3rd-party software has just followed their lead.
I don't know, but it just strikes me that if oracle was approached and made aware that the Trinity project has matured and is kde3 based and ooo support would benefit both -- then I don't see why support can't just be put back in.
Packages from Oracle support KDE3 well. Did you read what I wrote?
Actually Libre Office packages also support KDE3 as I discovered. It is just OpenSUSE who disables KDE3 support in Libre Office.
I have been using OpenOffice for some time now without problem. I admit I haven't used anything except Kwrite since Oracle took over OOo, but I hear that LibreOffice forked off because of what Oracle is doing with OOo.
Awhile back I was using OxygenOffice. Other than the added templates, I don't know what they changed, but those were helpful to have rather than searching the OOo website all the time.
I also know of go-oo, but I haven't used it.
As far as I'm concerned, KDE3/TDE support is important, so I don't know why openSuSE (or really anybody) would disable it other than that people tend to do stuff that's counterintuitive just because they feel like it and haven't learned how to think of the consequence (or how think in general).
On 3/12/11, Kristopher Gamrat pikidalto@gmail.com wrote:
I have been using OpenOffice for some time now without problem. I admit I haven't used anything except Kwrite since Oracle took over OOo, but I hear that LibreOffice forked off because of what Oracle is doing with OOo.
Awhile back I was using OxygenOffice. Other than the added templates, I don't know what they changed, but those were helpful to have rather than searching the OOo website all the time.
I also know of go-oo, but I haven't used it.
As far as I'm concerned, KDE3/TDE support is important, so I don't know why openSuSE (or really anybody) would disable it other than that people tend to do stuff that's counterintuitive just because they feel like it and haven't learned how to think of the consequence (or how think in general).
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What about making improvements to koffice. Or is that beyond possible now?
On 3/12/11, Kristopher Gamrat pikidalto@gmail.com wrote:
I have been using OpenOffice for some time now without problem. I admit I haven't used anything except Kwrite since Oracle took over OOo, but I hear that LibreOffice forked off because of what Oracle is doing with OOo.
Awhile back I was using OxygenOffice. Other than the added templates, I don't know what they changed, but those were helpful to have rather than searching the OOo website all the time.
I also know of go-oo, but I haven't used it.
As far as I'm concerned, KDE3/TDE support is important, so I don't know why openSuSE (or really anybody) would disable it other than that people tend to do stuff that's counterintuitive just because they feel like it and haven't learned how to think of the consequence (or how think in general).
-- Kris "Piki" Ark Linux Webmaster Trinity Desktop Environment Packager
What about making improvements to koffice. Or is that beyond possible now?
The koffice project moved on to KDE4. Personally koffice was always more hassle than it was worth, but others may disagree with me.
Tim
On 03/12/2011 02:46 PM, Timothy Pearson wrote:
What about making improvements to koffice. Or is that beyond possible now?
The koffice project moved on to KDE4. Personally koffice was always more hassle than it was worth, but others may disagree with me.
Tim
+1
I like the concept of koffice, but it has never been usable in the 2.0.x version. My entire business is built around word-processing from a document standpoint, and the only viable packages have been Office on the Win side and OO on the Linux side. Koffice was a great concept, but I don't think it has ever quite "made it" from a usability standpoint. WP for Linux was around several years ago, but I think that was completely abandoned.
I say -- stick with what works (thus Trinity :)
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 7:04 PM, David C. Rankin drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: <snip>
I like the concept of koffice, but it has never been usable in the 2.0.x version. My entire business is built around word-processing from a document standpoint, and the only viable packages have been Office on the Win side and OO on the Linux side. Koffice was a great concept, but I don't think it has ever quite "made it" from a usability standpoint. WP for Linux was around several years ago, but I think that was completely abandoned.
I say -- stick with what works (thus Trinity :)
<snip>
You do realize that OOo is available for Windows and Mac too? It's not just a Linux thing :-)
MS Office didn't support OpenDocument Format until it's 2007 version, and I doubt it does it well -- Microsoft wants to create their own open format in answer to ODF. They are basically XML files inside a Zip file, just get a .docx file from someone using Office 2007 and run unzip on the file. It will extract into a directory tree with some XML files that contain the document and it's meta-data. From what I hear, the XML files aren't very well formed.
I say stick with a real document format that will actually be supported by people outside the world of Proprietary Software, and by some who do make Proprietary Software. ODF FTW! ;-)
the OOo support for kde3 actuali its officialy droped, the work that all of u mention with kde3 its only throught GTK brigde..
as Ilya said, just software lines ... kde org moved to KDE4 and also all of other too.. basic..
OOo as David mention its a good reason, for use, but Calvin was right, LOo must be the way to road..
+1 LibreOficce
about Koffice, was dropped from KDE4 to shwict KDE4 so, its so dificult for allof us, too work and every one here has also life to road.. no way
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Kristopher Gamrat pikidalto@gmail.comwrote:
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 7:04 PM, David C. Rankin drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com wrote:
<snip> > I like the concept of koffice, but it has never been usable in the 2.0.x > version. My entire business is built around word-processing from a document > standpoint, and the only viable packages have been Office on the Win side > and OO on the Linux side. Koffice was a great concept, but I don't think it > has ever quite "made it" from a usability standpoint. WP for Linux was > around several years ago, but I think that was completely abandoned. > > I say -- stick with what works (thus Trinity :) <snip>
You do realize that OOo is available for Windows and Mac too? It's not just a Linux thing :-)
MS Office didn't support OpenDocument Format until it's 2007 version, and I doubt it does it well -- Microsoft wants to create their own open format in answer to ODF. They are basically XML files inside a Zip file, just get a .docx file from someone using Office 2007 and run unzip on the file. It will extract into a directory tree with some XML files that contain the document and it's meta-data. From what I hear, the XML files aren't very well formed.
I say stick with a real document format that will actually be supported by people outside the world of Proprietary Software, and by some who do make Proprietary Software. ODF FTW! ;-)
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On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 15:46, Timothy Pearson kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net wrote:
The koffice project moved on to KDE4. Personally koffice was always more hassle than it was worth, but others may disagree with me.
Tim
+1 Kill KOffice and move on to LibreOffice.
It's possible. Probably won't happen for awhile until we finish cmake and bug squashing for the upcoming release. I think we should still have LibreOffice support, a lot of people from Windows, Mac, and Linux will be familiar with it, even if by a different name.
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