11 Mar
2011
11 Mar
'11
12:01 p.m.
I have just installed 11.4 and Libre Office 3.3.1 uses GTK front-end under
11.4. With OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 under 11.3 all was OK.
11 Mar
11 Mar
12:04 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] Support for KDE3 removed from LibreOffice
I have just installed 11.4 and Libre Office 3.3.1 uses
GTK front-end under
11.4. With OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 under 11.3 all was OK.
Yes, this is known to some extent. I have been providing a patched
version of OpenOffice for Ubuntu and Debian for some time now; it might be
a good idea to get upstream support for Trinity into the stock
OpenOffice/LibreOffice sources at this point. Any volunteers to work
through the red tape and get the Trinity integration officially supported?
Tim
12:37 p.m.
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On Friday 11 March 2011 23:04:59 Timothy Pearson wrote:
Do you mean KDE3 is not supported in OpenOffice.org as well, not only in
Libre Office?
I have just
installed 11.4 and Libre Office 3.3.1 uses GTK front-end
under 11.4. With OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 under 11.3 all was OK.
Yes, this is known to some extent. I have been providing a patched
version of OpenOffice for Ubuntu and Debian for some time now;
I want to empathize: they removed not only KDE dialogs support, but the
support for Qt3 appearance.
it might be
a good idea to get upstream support for Trinity into the stock
OpenOffice/LibreOffice sources at this point. Any volunteers to work
through the red tape and get the Trinity integration officially supported?
I think it is impossible: KDE3 support was removed intentionally although
worked well. They just will say "we removed it to free space".
1:09 p.m.
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On Friday 11 March 2011 23:04:59 Timothy Pearson wrote:
I have just installed OpenOffice 3.3 from Oracle and it works well with KDE3
1:13 p.m.
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On 11 March 2011 16:09, Ilya Chernykh <neptunia(a)mail.ru> wrote:
On Friday 11 March 2011 23:04:59 Timothy Pearson
wrote:
I have just installed OpenOffice 3.3 from Oracle and it works well with KDE3
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Frankly Oracle sucks, and so does Open Office.
It is unacceptable to use it as far as i am concerned. it has become
unusable and bloaty over the years and Oracle has prevented it from
maturing. LibreOffice is the viable alternative. I think that if we
get them to patch back in the KDE3 stuff that would be worth it. using
Open Office is not worth it.
Calvin Morrison
6:38 p.m.
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On 03/11/2011 03:13 PM, calvin morrison wrote:
On 11 March 2011 16:09, Ilya
Chernykh<neptunia(a)mail.ru> wrote:
I share the sentiment in large part, but let's never forget "You catch more
flies with honey than you do salt..."
Much of the support drop over the past 2 years has been the result of kde.org
dropping kde3. The 3rd-party software has just followed their lead.
I don't know, but it just strikes me that if oracle was approached and made
aware that the Trinity project has matured and is kde3 based and ooo support
would benefit both -- then I don't see why support can't just be put back in.
After all - it exists, it's not like something new has to be developed, they
just have to include what they used to include.
I think that's worth a shot and makes sense all the way around :)
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On Friday 11 March 2011 23:04:59 Timothy Pearson
wrote:
I have just installed OpenOffice 3.3 from Oracle and it works well with KDE3
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Frankly Oracle sucks, and so does Open Office.
It is unacceptable to use it as far as i am concerned. it has become
unusable and bloaty over the years and Oracle has prevented it from
maturing. LibreOffice is the viable alternative. I think that if we
get them to patch back in the KDE3 stuff that would be worth it. using
Open Office is not worth it.
Calvin Morrison
9:27 p.m.
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On Saturday 12 March 2011 05:38:15 David C. Rankin wrote:
Much of the support drop over the past 2 years has
been the result of
kde.org dropping kde3. The 3rd-party software has just followed their lead.
I don't know, but it just strikes me that if oracle was approached and made
aware that the Trinity project has matured and is kde3 based and ooo
support would benefit both -- then I don't see why support can't just be
put back in.
Packages from Oracle support KDE3 well. Did you read what I wrote?
Actually Libre Office packages also support KDE3 as I discovered. It is just
OpenSUSE who disables KDE3 support in Libre Office.
12 Mar
12 Mar
12:21 p.m.
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I have been using OpenOffice for some time now without problem. I
admit I haven't used anything except Kwrite since Oracle took over
OOo, but I hear that LibreOffice forked off because of what Oracle is
doing with OOo.
Awhile back I was using OxygenOffice. Other than the added templates,
I don't know what they changed, but those were helpful to have rather
than searching the OOo website all the time.
I also know of go-oo, but I haven't used it.
As far as I'm concerned, KDE3/TDE support is important, so I don't
know why openSuSE (or really anybody) would disable it other than that
people tend to do stuff that's counterintuitive just because they feel
like it and haven't learned how to think of the consequence (or how
think in general).
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12:41 p.m.
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On 3/12/11, Kristopher Gamrat <pikidalto(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I have been using OpenOffice for some time now without
problem. I
admit I haven't used anything except Kwrite since Oracle took over
OOo, but I hear that LibreOffice forked off because of what Oracle is
doing with OOo.
Awhile back I was using OxygenOffice. Other than the added templates,
I don't know what they changed, but those were helpful to have rather
than searching the OOo website all the time.
I also know of go-oo, but I haven't used it.
As far as I'm concerned, KDE3/TDE support is important, so I don't
know why openSuSE (or really anybody) would disable it other than that
people tend to do stuff that's counterintuitive just because they feel
like it and haven't learned how to think of the consequence (or how
think in general).
--
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"Piki"
Ark Linux Webmaster
Trinity Desktop Environment Packager
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What about
making improvements to koffice. Or is that beyond possible now?
12:46 p.m.
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On 3/12/11, Kristopher Gamrat
<pikidalto(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The koffice project moved on to KDE4. Personally koffice was always more
hassle than it was worth, but others may disagree with me.
Tim
I have been using OpenOffice for some time now
without problem. I
admit I haven't used anything except Kwrite since Oracle took over
OOo, but I hear that LibreOffice forked off because of what Oracle is
doing with OOo.
Awhile back I was using OxygenOffice. Other than the added templates,
I don't know what they changed, but those were helpful to have rather
than searching the OOo website all the time.
I also know of go-oo, but I haven't used it.
As far as I'm concerned, KDE3/TDE support is important, so I don't
know why openSuSE (or really anybody) would disable it other than that
people tend to do stuff that's counterintuitive just because they feel
like it and haven't learned how to think of the consequence (or how
think in general).
--
Kris
"Piki"
Ark Linux Webmaster
Trinity Desktop Environment Packager
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What about
making improvements to koffice. Or is that beyond possible now?
4:04 p.m.
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On 03/12/2011 02:46 PM, Timothy Pearson wrote:
+1
I like the concept of koffice, but it has never been usable in the 2.0.x
version. My entire business is built around word-processing from a document
standpoint, and the only viable packages have been Office on the Win side and OO
on the Linux side. Koffice was a great concept, but I don't think it has ever
quite "made it" from a usability standpoint. WP for Linux was around several
years ago, but I think that was completely abandoned.
I say -- stick with what works (thus Trinity :)
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What about
making improvements to koffice. Or is that beyond possible now?
The koffice project
moved on to KDE4. Personally koffice was always more
hassle than it was worth, but others may disagree with me.
Tim
8:52 p.m.
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On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 7:04 PM, David C. Rankin
<drankinatty(a)suddenlinkmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
I like the concept of koffice, but it has never been
usable in the 2.0.x
version. My entire business is built around word-processing from a document
standpoint, and the only viable packages have been Office on the Win side
and OO on the Linux side. Koffice was a great concept, but I don't think it
has ever quite "made it" from a usability standpoint. WP for Linux was
around several years ago, but I think that was completely abandoned.
I say -- stick with what works (thus Trinity :)
<snip>
You do realize that OOo is available for Windows and Mac too? It's not
just a Linux thing :-)
MS Office didn't support OpenDocument Format until it's 2007 version,
and I doubt it does it well -- Microsoft wants to create their own
open format in answer to ODF. They are basically XML files inside a
Zip file, just get a .docx file from someone using Office 2007 and run
unzip on the file. It will extract into a directory tree with some XML
files that contain the document and it's meta-data. From what I hear,
the XML files aren't very well formed.
I say stick with a real document format that will actually be
supported by people outside the world of Proprietary Software, and by
some who do make Proprietary Software. ODF FTW! ;-)
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15 Mar
15 Mar
6:22 a.m.
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the OOo support for kde3 actuali its officialy droped, the work that all of
u mention with kde3 its only throught GTK brigde..
as Ilya said, just software lines ... kde org moved to KDE4 and also all of
other too.. basic..
OOo as David mention its a good reason, for use, but Calvin was right, LOo
must be the way to road..
+1 LibreOficce
about Koffice, was dropped from KDE4 to shwict KDE4 so, its so dificult for
allof us, too work and every one here has also life to road.. no way
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Kristopher Gamrat <pikidalto(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 7:04 PM, David C. Rankin
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I like the concept of koffice, but it has never
been usable in the 2.0.x
version. My entire business is built around word-processing from a
document
standpoint, and the only viable packages have
been Office on the Win side
and OO on the Linux side. Koffice was a great concept, but I don't think
it
has ever quite "made it" from a
usability standpoint. WP for Linux was
around several years ago, but I think that was completely abandoned.
I say -- stick with what works (thus Trinity :)
<snip>
You do realize that OOo is available for Windows and Mac too? It's not
just a Linux thing :-)
MS Office didn't support OpenDocument Format until it's 2007 version,
and I doubt it does it well -- Microsoft wants to create their own
open format in answer to ODF. They are basically XML files inside a
Zip file, just get a .docx file from someone using Office 2007 and run
unzip on the file. It will extract into a directory tree with some XML
files that contain the document and it's meta-data. From what I hear,
the XML files aren't very well formed.
I say stick with a real document format that will actually be
supported by people outside the world of Proprietary Software, and by
some who do make Proprietary Software. ODF FTW! ;-)
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Kris
"Piki"
Ark Linux Webmaster
Trinity Desktop Environment Packager
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12 Mar
4:14 p.m.
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On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 15:46, Timothy Pearson
<kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
The koffice project moved on to KDE4. Personally koffice was always more
hassle than it was worth, but others may disagree with me.
Tim
+1
Kill KOffice and move on to LibreOffice.
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5:21 p.m.
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It's possible. Probably won't happen for awhile until we finish cmake
and bug squashing for the upcoming release. I think we should still
have LibreOffice support, a lot of people from Windows, Mac, and Linux
will be familiar with it, even if by a different name.
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