24 Feb
2011
24 Feb
'11
3:33 p.m.
In the current KDE 3.4 and 3.5 brand, icon taskbar focus efects are only a
highlight over them, in kde 3.2 and 3.1 brand, icon effects are icon
zooming, (like MAC bar style)
any body have the code to get back these?
can be ported to actual kde 3.5 Trinity desktop?
pleae, at leas tell how any!
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24 Feb
24 Feb
4:46 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] IMPORTANT: taskbar icons zooming proposal get back
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 3:33 PM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz
<mckaygerhard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
In the current KDE 3.4 and 3.5 brand, icon taskbar
focus efects are only a
highlight over them, in kde 3.2 and 3.1 brand, icon effects are icon
zooming, (like MAC bar style)
Personally I don't like this (don't like eye-candy), but for those who
have bad eyes, it would have some use.
any body have the code to get back these?
can be ported to actual kde 3.5 Trinity desktop?
I'm sure it could be ported over, we could probably dig up some 3.2 or
3.1 tarballs, or see if it's still in their svn.
pleae, at leas tell how any!
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Kris
"Piki"
Ark Linux Webmaster
Trinity Desktop Environment Packager
5:36 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] IMPORTANT: taskbar icons zooming proposal get back
eye candy are not usefully, but.. but it attracts people.. i dont understand
people , Tdesktop look like ubuntu, that looks like windows, and windows are
all eyecandy, so then?
i will revise kde 3.1 source to see,
but for now im busy with bluez porting
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Kristopher Gamrat <pikidalto(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 3:33 PM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz
<mckaygerhard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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Lenz McKAY Gerardo (PICCORO)
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com
Cofundador de Venenux;
http://shutendouji.net
creador de massenkoh linux.
In the current KDE 3.4 and 3.5 brand, icon
taskbar focus efects are only
a
highlight over them, in kde 3.2 and 3.1 brand,
icon effects are icon
zooming, (like MAC bar style)
Personally I don't like this (don't like eye-candy), but for those who
have bad eyes, it would have some use.
any body have the code to get back these?
can be ported to actual kde 3.5 Trinity desktop?
I'm sure it could be ported over, we could probably dig up some 3.2 or
3.1 tarballs, or see if it's still in their svn.
pleae, at leas tell how any!
--
Kris
"Piki"
Ark Linux Webmaster
Trinity Desktop Environment Packager
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New subject: [trinity-devel] IMPORTANT: taskbar icons zooming proposal get back
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:36, PICCORO McKAY Lenz
<mckaygerhard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
eye candy are not usefully, but.. but it attracts
people.. i dont understand
people , Tdesktop look like ubuntu, that looks like windows, and windows are
all eyecandy, so then?
i will revise kde 3.1 source to see,
but for now im busy with bluez porting
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25 Feb
25 Feb
5:49 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] IMPORTANT: taskbar icons zooming proposal get back
On 02/24/2011 11:36 AM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
eye candy are not usefully, but.. but it attracts
people.. i dont understand
people , Tdesktop look like ubuntu, that looks like windows, and windows are all
eyecandy, so then?
i will revise kde 3.1 source to see,
There will be many 'temptations' like this going forward. I think the key is to
stick to the following kde3 core values when evaluating features:
(1) Is it more efficient?
(a) can you do more with less keystrokes or mouse clicks?
(b) does it improve code execution time?
(2) Does it improve usability?
(a) not from a "Gee-Whiz" standpoint, but can it provide real features to
benefit the average user --or-- provide a better interface for those with
impairments.
(3) Above All - Always Remember
-- A FEATURE IS A BUG IF IT CANNOT BE TURNED OFF!
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8:31 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] IMPORTANT: taskbar icons zooming proposal get back
On 25 February 2011 12:49, David C. Rankin
<drankinatty(a)suddenlinkmail.com> wrote:
On 02/24/2011 11:36 AM, PICCORO McKAY Lenz wrote:
While it does not improve any of those areas you mentioned, usability
or speed, it does improve customizability which is important.
I would not be in favor of this, except for that fact that it used to
exist. removing features is never a good thing! Regression of features
is one of the big reasons why Tim is having trouble with Qt4! :P
It should be little work to do this, probably copy/paste and editing a
few functions. If it was a large undertaking i could understand
reasoning against it, but i do not see that being the case.
Calvin Morrison
eye candy are not usefully, but.. but it attracts
people.. i dont understand
people , Tdesktop look like ubuntu, that looks like windows, and windows are all
eyecandy, so then?
i will revise kde 3.1 source to see,
There will be many 'temptations' like this going forward. I think the key is to
stick to the following kde3 core values when evaluating features:
(1) Is it more efficient?
(a) can you do more with less keystrokes or mouse clicks?
(b) does it improve code execution time?
(2) Does it improve usability?
(a) not from a "Gee-Whiz" standpoint, but can it provide real features to
benefit the average user --or-- provide a better interface for those with
impairments.
(3) Above All - Always Remember
-- A FEATURE IS A BUG IF IT CANNOT BE TURNED OFF!
--
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
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9:14 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] IMPORTANT: taskbar icons zooming proposal get back
On 02/25/2011 02:31 PM, calvin morrison wrote:
While it does not improve any of those areas you
mentioned, usability
or speed, it does improve customizability which is important.
I would not be in favor of this, except for that fact that it used to
exist. removing features is never a good thing! Regression of features
is one of the big reasons why Tim is having trouble with Qt4! :P
It should be little work to do this, probably copy/paste and editing a
few functions. If it was a large undertaking i could understand
reasoning against it, but i do not see that being the case.
Calvin Morrison
I think this particular feature will be cool. But we need to make sure to
include a radio-button or check-box in "Configure Panel..." that lets you
disable it if you don't want it.
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26 Feb
26 Feb
3:58 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] IMPORTANT: taskbar icons zooming proposal get back
On Friday 25 February 2011 23:31:09 calvin morrison wrote:
While it does not improve any of those areas you
mentioned, usability
or speed, it does improve customizability which is important.
I would not be in favor of this, except for that fact that it used to
exist. removing features is never a good thing! Regression of features
is one of the big reasons why Tim is having trouble with Qt4! :P
It should be little work to do this, probably copy/paste and editing a
few functions. If it was a large undertaking i could understand
reasoning against it, but i do not see that being the case.
I think it would be great to have this implemented as in KDE2.
On the other hand I heared Apple has a patent on the panel icons enlarging on
the mouse hove, that may be the reason why this feature was removed
(as well as double-click by default which is patented by Microsoft)
4:22 p.m.
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Zooming, double clicking, the progress bar and many other patents, are
really rips offs of earlier patents. As such, are indefensible. For
example the progress bar actually appeared in Unix but in ASCII form.
MS apparently looked into suing for patent infringement it when it
realized it lost ground to Linux, Apple and BSD but opted out because
it, itself could be sued for such as well (helps to know retired MS
devels, get all the best dish).
The zooming use removed from kde3x because there was a small coding
problem and because some of the devels involved at that point didn't
like it.
Your's in History
Kate
On 2/26/11, Ilya Chernykh <neptunia(a)mail.ru> wrote:
On Friday 25 February 2011 23:31:09 calvin morrison
wrote:
While it does not improve any of those areas you
mentioned, usability
or speed, it does improve customizability which is important.
I would not be in favor of this, except for that fact that it used to
exist. removing features is never a good thing! Regression of features
is one of the big reasons why Tim is having trouble with Qt4! :P
It should be little work to do this, probably copy/paste and editing a
few functions. If it was a large undertaking i could understand
reasoning against it, but i do not see that being the case.
I think it would be great to have this implemented as in KDE2.
On the other hand I heared Apple has a patent on the panel icons enlarging
on
the mouse hove, that may be the reason why this feature was removed
(as well as double-click by default which is patented by Microsoft)
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On Saturday 26 February 2011 19:22:16 Katheryne Draven wrote:
The zooming use removed from kde3x because there was a
small coding
problem and because some of the devels involved at that point didn't
like it.
In that case I would support restoring the zooming as well as all other things
which were removed. On one screenshot from early KDE3 I saw the quich launch
bar was partially with large icons (as now it is) and partially with smaller
icons arranged in two rows. I wonder if it is possible to restore this
function?
I also think the tray icons could be smaller to match the quick launch
icons when the panel's size is smallest and also to have aability to be
arranged in two rows when the panel's size allows to have two rows of taskbar
buttons. I.e. 2 row taskbar -> two row tray 3 row taskbar -> 3 row tray etc.
7:34 p.m.
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On 02/26/2011 09:58 AM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
I think it would be great to have this implemented as
in KDE2.
On the other hand I heared Apple has a patent on the panel icons enlarging on
the mouse hove, that may be the reason why this feature was removed
(as well as double-click by default which is patented by Microsoft)
The enlarging icons have to be in the public domain now or Rocket Dock for MS
wouldn't exist. (Not to mention the measure of damage in a patent suit is the
'profit' earned from the use of the patented item) I have searched a bit on the
issue and have not found any chatter. I haven't seen the books for the Trinity
project yet, but it stands to reason $0 without enlarging icons + $0 with
enlarging icons doesn't add up to a whole lot to be concerned about :p
If somebody can get ahold of the 3.2, 3.3 or 3.4 Changelog(s) there should be
something mentioned on the removal.
Unless we can turn up some concrete reason that is still applicable today, I
wouldn't let it hold up reimplementation. If anybody finds a relevant link, post
it here and I'll follow up on it :)
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