======================================= #trinity-desktop-meeting: March Meeting =======================================

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Meeting summary --------------- * - Add an info item to the minutes. People should liberally use this for important things they say, so that they can be logged in the minutes. (Xu_R, 23:25:12) * ACTION: - Document an action item in the minutes. Include any nicknames in the line, and the item will be assigned to them. (nicknames are case-sensitive) (Xu_R, 23:25:12) * IDEA: - Add an idea to the minutes. (Xu_R, 23:25:12) * HELP: - Add a "Call for Help" to the minutes. Use this command when you need to recruit someone to do a task. (Counter-intuitively, this doesn't provide help on the bot) (Xu_R, 23:25:12) * LINK: - Add a link to the meeting minutes. The link should be the first non-command on the line, other commentary after the link is OK. Links beginning with http:// and a few other protocols are automatically detected. (Xu_R, 23:25:12) * Bug Day (Xu_R, 23:26:02) * [BOTW #xxx] is the bug of the week - we try to close one a week. :) (Xu_R, 23:29:50) * ACTION: leave bug day and such up to kb9vqf to decide. (Xu_R, 23:35:58)

* lingering serious bugs (Xu_R, 23:36:54) * AGREED: kcontrol bug is fixed (Xu_R, 23:38:53) * AGREED: Bug Days should be on a one month cycle. (Xu_R, 23:41:08) * ACTION: Schedule Better Bug Days (Xu_R, 23:42:04) * IDEA: [19:19] <@kb9vqf> how about people that can't make it to bug day get to work on the BOTW? (Xu_R, 23:44:58) * IDEA: dev day (Xu_R, 23:45:42) * IDEA: [19:20] <Piki> samelian, we can concentrate on less complicated bugs on bug day (Xu_R, 23:46:19) * IDEA: BOTW bugs should be complex (kb9vqf, 23:47:13) * IDEA: BOTW bugs should be prioritized based on importance (kb9vqf, 23:48:36) * IDEA: There should be a list (etherpad?) of BOTW candidates (kb9vqf, 23:48:49) * (Xu_R, 23:51:50) * [19:25] <Piki> i don't think BOTW should be based not on time, but importance abd complexity, dev day should be the minor stuff (Xu_R, 23:52:02) * [19:25] <@kb9vqf> Hence the idea for a list of high-priority complex BOTW candidates (Xu_R, 23:52:11) * [19:25] <@kb9vqf> If a BOTW is not fixed, it can be cycled back in later on (Xu_R, 23:52:18) * AGREED: Have (monthly?) dev days to squish minor bugs, use BOTW (and a list) for very complex bugs (Xu_R, 23:53:18)

* Trinity Etherpad accounts (Xu_R, 23:56:23)

* cmake clarifications (Xu_R, 23:57:37) * current status of cmake - fixing small bugs for kdebase (Xu_R, 00:00:11) * ACTION: Piki will start helping out with cmake... soon. (Xu_R, 00:00:41) * [19:37] <samelian> while I'm watching the meeting I finisied kdepim/kresources/kolab :) (Xu_R, 00:02:55) * AGREED: No need for a seperate channel for cmake right now. (Xu_R, 00:03:33) * HELP: Port Trinity to cmake! Join #trinity-desktop and ask for samelian for more details, or just email trinity-devel. (Xu_R, 00:04:54) * kb9vqf was suggesting using the wiki for long term, and using etherpad for short term (Xu_R, 00:06:53) * http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/CMakeConversionProces... (samelian, 00:07:37) * LINK: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/CMakeConversionProces... (Xu_R, 00:07:53) * ACTION: MutantTurkey (Calvin) can help continue documenting cmake for other users to help port Trinity (Xu_R, 00:08:39)

* User Preferences (Xu_R, 00:11:36) * These are suggestions that MIGHT be put into use later by the Trinity team :) however, cmake is Highest priority (Xu_R, 00:12:19) * IDEA: we should have a questionaire for people to answer about bugs, usability, and improvements, and concentrate on bugs at first (Piki, 00:12:22) * IDEA: Which control center do you like better? The Qt4 styled or the original Control center? (Xu_R, 00:12:51) * IDEA: we should split kcontrol in two (samelian, 00:14:34) * [19:52] <Borg^Queen> perf are what the user wants, settings are what the user needs (Xu_R, 00:17:55) * [19:57] <Anixx-suse> i think there are basically two categories: those set by a user and those set by the root. there is no other division (Xu_R, 00:23:40) * many parents have asked for parental controls built in, for example site blocking (Borg^Queen, 00:24:45) * IDEA: many parents have asked for parental controls built in, for example site blocking (Xu_R, 00:25:23) * IDEA: can the questionair for my user also be made available on the webpage? (Borg^Queen, 00:27:30) * IDEA: , how about a suggestion box on the website as well? (Borg^Queen, 00:27:49) * IDEA: integrate trinity's systemsettings with kcontrol - because the two should be together, not seperate, and the tree view should be default. (Xu_R, 00:32:58) * kcontrol is actually just a shell around a set of kcm modules (samelian, 00:33:03) * kcontrol is not visible on desktop menu entries in Trinity :-\ hence the suggestion for merging the two. (Xu_R, 00:33:40) * LINK: http://twitpic.com/4a5od0 This is the Trinity SystemSettings :( Anixx-suse (Xu_R, 00:41:28) * IDEA: Just merge systemsettings into kcontrol and make tree view the default - it'll make people happy :) (Xu_R, 00:42:13) * ACTION: Discuss kcontrol and systemsettings when kb9vqf is here (Xu_R, 00:45:24)

* Distribution Support (Xu_R, 00:46:35) * Arch is handled by David and Calvin, and they are making swift progress. (Xu_R, 00:46:55) * Debian and Ubuntu handled by kb9vqf - Nightly builds are *stalled* on kdebase bugfixing (Xu_R, 00:47:38) * Piki will start with Ark (not arch) next week (Piki, 00:47:46) * Piki is Kris (Piki, 00:48:04) * initial Gentoo support is made by me (samelian, 00:48:33) * Fedora, Mandriva, and openSUSE are undergoing spec restructuring atm - started today, committed about 10 items to trinity-packaging SVN and mirrored to home build server (Xu_R, 00:48:53) * LibreOffice KDE3 support for SuSE added (Xu_R, 00:51:16) * Slackware support is at 3.5.12 for Slackware 12, currently going about svn for slackware 13 (Xu_R, 00:51:49) * ACTION: LibreOffice KDE3 file picker needs to be tested (Xu_R, 00:54:07) * ACTION: Xu_R should sr patched Qt3 (3.3.8b with patch) to KDE:KDE3 soon (Xu_R, 00:54:47)

* Menus (Xu_R, 00:57:51) * I was thinking X-TDE-* for Trinity menus to avoid conflict with kde4 (Xu_R, 00:58:41) * AGREED: low priority issue, will be sorted out later. (Xu_R, 01:00:55)

* Keyboard Shortcuts (Xu_R, 01:01:44) * AGREED: Skipping - ML conversation denotes most of this (Xu_R, 01:01:51)

* udev migration (Xu_R, 01:01:59) * udev migration stalled because of cmake (Xu_R, 01:03:47) * ACTION: check if k3b requires hal (Xu_R, 01:09:22) * ACTION: document effect of no hal on kde3 is (Xu_R, 01:11:16) * ACTION: check kde3 api in relation to hal (Xu_R, 01:13:24)

* Trinity Branding Issues (Xu_R, 01:15:25) * LINK: http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/14 (Xu_R, 01:16:42)

* Usability checklist (Xu_R, 01:20:03) * LINK: https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en&pli=1&formkey=dEk2Uzh... (MutantTurkey, 01:21:08) * LINK: https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en&pli=1&formkey=dEk2Uzh... here is a preliminary of it on google docs (Xu_R, 01:21:24) * ACTION: move usability checklist to kb9vqf's servers soon (Xu_R, 01:21:49) * ACTION: search for form alternatives to Google Docs (Xu_R, 01:22:26) * No, kb9vqf objects to using Google Docs (Xu_R, 01:22:36) * LINK: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Developers/TestsuiteAndChecklist This is where the form will get its data (Xu_R, 01:24:51) * ACTION: Xu_R move TestsuiteAndChecklist from wiki to Etherpad (Xu_R, 01:25:55)

* Software Versions in Trinity (Xu_R, 01:26:37) * IDEA: include hardware make up for users (Borg^Queen, 01:26:39) * ACTION: make list of outdated software. double check all applications (MutantTurkey, 01:28:38) * Darell recalled outdated software versions in Trinity compared to upstream (Xu_R, 01:28:45) * LINK: http://trinity.etherpad.trinitydesktop.org/15 (MutantTurkey, 01:30:43) * IDEA: check the official KDE3 branch SVN for patches (Anixx-suse, 01:31:09) * ACTION: add Etherpad to website links (MutantTurkey, 01:33:32) * ACTION: Xu_R help Anixx-suse with etherpad (Xu_R, 01:34:20)

* Trinity Efficiency Improvements (Xu_R, 01:34:42) * some "windows keyboards" lock out changes in setup via software (Borg^Queen, 01:37:48) * ACTION: look into adding a new keyboard layout, or adding the win keys to a current layout (since they aren't used yet) (MutantTurkey, 01:39:10) * IDEA: using Win keys to manage the desktop (or related) (Xu_R, 01:39:32) * LINK: http://www.3111skyline.com/dl/dt/trinity/ss/walkthrough-desktops.jpg (David_Rankin, 01:40:40) * AGREED: Keep the discussion going on ML later. (Xu_R, 01:42:20)

* Porting to Qt4 (Xu_R, 01:42:36) * LINK: http://imagebin.org/143288 (Xu_R, 01:42:44) * LINK: http://imagebin.org/143288 TRINITY ON Qt4 (Xu_R, 01:43:14) * Progress with TQt for Qt4 is going smoothly thanks to Tim (Xu_R, 01:48:02)

* Project SVN Server (Xu_R, 01:49:21) * Tim set up an SVN server at svn.trinitydesktop.org to continue development (Xu_R, 01:50:03) * ACTION: David_Rankin needs to put PKGBUILDS on the svn (MutantTurkey, 01:52:59)

* Website (Xu_R, 01:53:53) * We had a new website put up (Xu_R, 01:54:01) * LINK: http://trinitydesktop.org (MutantTurkey, 01:54:08) * LINK: http://trinitydesktop.org (MutantTurkey, 01:54:12) * LINK: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/ is the new domain (Xu_R, 01:54:13) * TokRa has not shown (Xu_R, 01:55:06)

* Last remarks (Xu_R, 01:56:32) * LINK: http://fosscon.org (MutantTurkey, 01:58:15)

Meeting ended at 01:58:48 UTC.

Action Items ------------ * - Document an action item in the minutes. Include any nicknames in the line, and the item will be assigned to them. (nicknames are case-sensitive) * leave bug day and such up to kb9vqf to decide. * Schedule Better Bug Days * Piki will start helping out with cmake... soon. * MutantTurkey (Calvin) can help continue documenting cmake for other users to help port Trinity * Discuss kcontrol and systemsettings when kb9vqf is here * LibreOffice KDE3 file picker needs to be tested * Xu_R should sr patched Qt3 (3.3.8b with patch) to KDE:KDE3 soon * check if k3b requires hal * document effect of no hal on kde3 is * check kde3 api in relation to hal * move usability checklist to kb9vqf's servers soon * search for form alternatives to Google Docs * Xu_R move TestsuiteAndChecklist from wiki to Etherpad * make list of outdated software. double check all applications * add Etherpad to website links * Xu_R help Anixx-suse with etherpad * look into adding a new keyboard layout, or adding the win keys to a current layout (since they aren't used yet) * David_Rankin needs to put PKGBUILDS on the svn

Action Items, by person ----------------------- * Anixx-suse * Xu_R help Anixx-suse with etherpad * David_Rankin * David_Rankin needs to put PKGBUILDS on the svn * kb9vqf * leave bug day and such up to kb9vqf to decide. * Discuss kcontrol and systemsettings when kb9vqf is here * move usability checklist to kb9vqf's servers soon * MutantTurkey * MutantTurkey (Calvin) can help continue documenting cmake for other users to help port Trinity * Piki * Piki will start helping out with cmake... soon. * Xu_R * Xu_R should sr patched Qt3 (3.3.8b with patch) to KDE:KDE3 soon * Xu_R move TestsuiteAndChecklist from wiki to Etherpad * Xu_R help Anixx-suse with etherpad * **UNASSIGNED** * - Document an action item in the minutes. Include any nicknames in the line, and the item will be assigned to them. (nicknames are case-sensitive) * Schedule Better Bug Days * LibreOffice KDE3 file picker needs to be tested * check if k3b requires hal * document effect of no hal on kde3 is * check kde3 api in relation to hal * search for form alternatives to Google Docs * make list of outdated software. double check all applications * add Etherpad to website links * look into adding a new keyboard layout, or adding the win keys to a current layout (since they aren't used yet)

People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * Xu_R (326) * Borg^Queen (119) * MutantTurkey (118) * Piki (116) * Anixx-suse (107) * samelian (81) * David_Rankin (57) * kb9vqf (20) * Strangelv (13) * TMarques (8) * BQ-AFK (4) * [lindaemon] (3) * scrat (2) * Guest11722 (2) * Space_Man_ (1) * NEW (1)

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