This has been going on too long to remember, would be nice if in 14.0.9 it stopped. I have lots of test installations. On many I never close the help center release notes window that appears when a version increment occurs or on first open of a new user or installation. The result of doing so causes two such windows to open each session start after the initial. Sometimes both windows fully appear, while other times one partially overlaps the other and/or Konsole (which I keep open at 0,0). The difference in location may be because of display mix & match between uses, anywhere from 1024x768 up to 2560x1440. The bug: When I try to close one of the two using the X button among window decorations, about half the time it closes both, while the rest of the time I get the expected result. -- Evolution as taught in public schools, like religion, is based on faith, not on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/