Guys,
With all the recent publicity concerning privacy concerns with current search provider policy changes, it would be nice to update the default list of default search providers in Konqueror to provide users a broader ranger of choices to meet a wider range of privacy infringement tolerance....
It should be a relatively simple task since most providers publish a url scheme to use in forming queries. The tricky part is coming up with a list that users will want and use. If you have a favorite - reply and let the list know. I'll look into where they go in the code. Recently Calvin suggested startpage and it has been good. What are some of the others you like?
Startpage AltaVista (already available) DogPile ? ....
On 5 March 2012 20:57, David C. Rankin drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com wrote:
Guys,
With all the recent publicity concerning privacy concerns with current search provider policy changes, it would be nice to update the default list of default search providers in Konqueror to provide users a broader ranger of choices to meet a wider range of privacy infringement tolerance....
It should be a relatively simple task since most providers publish a url scheme to use in forming queries. The tricky part is coming up with a list that users will want and use. If you have a favorite - reply and let the list know. I'll look into where they go in the code. Recently Calvin suggested startpage and it has been good. What are some of the others you like?
Startpage AltaVista (already available) DogPile ? ....
-- David C. Rankin, J.D.,
I cannot emphasize Duck Duck Go enough. They are an up and coming search engine that are based in Philadelphia. They do not search, bubble or track you! They provide an innovative and techie interface that allows you to do lots of cool stuff. Best of all I don't have to worry about being tracked.
Calvin
On 03/05/2012 08:00 PM, Calvin Morrison wrote:
On 5 March 2012 20:57, David C. Rankin drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com wrote:
Guys,
With all the recent publicity concerning privacy concerns with current search provider policy changes, it would be nice to update the default list of default search providers in Konqueror to provide users a broader ranger of choices to meet a wider range of privacy infringement tolerance....
It should be a relatively simple task since most providers publish a url scheme to use in forming queries. The tricky part is coming up with a list that users will want and use. If you have a favorite - reply and let the list know. I'll look into where they go in the code. Recently Calvin suggested startpage and it has been good. What are some of the others you like?
Startpage AltaVista (already available) DogPile ? ....
-- David C. Rankin, J.D.,
I cannot emphasize Duck Duck Go enough. They are an up and coming search engine that are based in Philadelphia. They do not search, bubble or track you! They provide an innovative and techie interface that allows you to do lots of cool stuff. Best of all I don't have to worry about being tracked.
Calvin
So far I have also turned up the following:
Yauba Ixquick StartPage Hide My Ass! DuckDuckGo ^^^^^^^^^^ :)
What do you think about adding them as choices to konqueror web browser default search choices?
With all the recent publicity concerning privacy concerns with current search provider policy changes, it would be nice to update the default list of default search providers in Konqueror to provide users a broader ranger of choices to meet a wider range of privacy infringement tolerance....
It should be a relatively simple task since most providers publish a url scheme to use in forming queries. The tricky part is coming up with a list that users will want and use. If you have a favorite - reply and let the list know. I'll look into where they go in the code. Recently Calvin suggested startpage and it has been good. What are some of the others you like?
Startpage AltaVista (already available) DogPile ? ....
I have the following search engines in Firefox:
amazondotcom answers askjeeves creativecommons dictionarycom duck_duck_go duck_duck_go_ssl eBay google google_ssl imdb ixquick-ssl ixquick newegg scroogle-ssl scroogle webster wikipedia yahoo
If Konqueror uses the same xml file format for search engines, then just grab those from Firefox, modify as necessary and be done.
Something like this is not a code-critical change and (unless Tim objects) I can push the changes to GIT. But somebody needs to test the final package and vouch that each search engine actually works before I'll do that. :)
Darrell
So far nobody's mentioned Bing. I know many hard-core FOSS peoples (myself included) would never touch it, but many new users might.
-- Kristopher Gamrat
On 03/05/2012 09:45 PM, Kristopher Gamrat wrote:
So far nobody's mentioned Bing. I know many hard-core FOSS peoples (myself included) would never touch it, but many new users might.
Good point...
On 5 March 2012 23:26, David C. Rankin drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com wrote:
On 03/05/2012 09:45 PM, Kristopher Gamrat wrote:
So far nobody's mentioned Bing. I know many hard-core FOSS peoples (myself included) would never touch it, but many new users might.
Good point...
-- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
I say we ignore it. Don't some of the features require Silverlight? At one point they did. My vote is no.
Cal
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote:
On 5 March 2012 23:26, David C. Rankin drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com wrote:
On 03/05/2012 09:45 PM, Kristopher Gamrat wrote:
So far nobody's mentioned Bing. I know many hard-core FOSS peoples (myself included) would never touch it, but many new users might.
Good point...
-- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
I say we ignore it. Don't some of the features require Silverlight? At one point they did. My vote is no.
What's Silverlight? I never heard of it. I just tested Bing in Firefox, and it worked fine. The video previews in their video search was a bit glitchy, but I was able to click the videos and watch them normally. All their other search functions (web, images, maps, news, and shopping) seemed to operate fine too. Although Bing is way to flashy for me, and does not operate/organize itself in a way that I'd consider using it,
-- Kristopher Gamrat
On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 23:54:19 -0500 Kristopher Gamrat chaotickjg@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote:
On 5 March 2012 23:26, David C. Rankin drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com wrote:
On 03/05/2012 09:45 PM, Kristopher Gamrat wrote:
So far nobody's mentioned Bing. I know many hard-core FOSS peoples (myself included) would never touch it, but many new users might.
Good point...
I say we ignore it. Don't some of the features require Silverlight? At one point they did. My vote is no.
What's Silverlight? I never heard of it. I just tested Bing in Firefox, and it worked fine. The video previews in their video search was a bit glitchy, but I was able to click the videos and watch them normally. All their other search functions (web, images, maps, news, and shopping) seemed to operate fine too. Although Bing is way to flashy for me, and does not operate/organize itself in a way that I'd consider using it,
Silverlight was Microsoft's attempt at a Flash clone. For obvious reasons, it never really caught on.
While I, personally, dislike Bing and would never use it, I support adding it to the list of search engines, if only to make moving from Windows to Linux with Trinity infinitesimally easier for some people.
On 6 March 2012 07:46, E. Liddell ejlddll@googlemail.com wrote:
On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 23:54:19 -0500 Kristopher Gamrat chaotickjg@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote:
On 5 March 2012 23:26, David C. Rankin drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com wrote:
On 03/05/2012 09:45 PM, Kristopher Gamrat wrote:
So far nobody's mentioned Bing. I know many hard-core FOSS peoples (myself included) would never touch it, but many new users might.
Good point...
I say we ignore it. Don't some of the features require Silverlight? At one point they did. My vote is no.
What's Silverlight? I never heard of it. I just tested Bing in Firefox, and it worked fine. The video previews in their video search was a bit glitchy, but I was able to click the videos and watch them normally. All their other search functions (web, images, maps, news, and shopping) seemed to operate fine too. Although Bing is way to flashy for me, and does not operate/organize itself in a way that I'd consider using it,
Silverlight was Microsoft's attempt at a Flash clone. For obvious reasons, it never really caught on.
While I, personally, dislike Bing and would never use it, I support adding it to the list of search engines, if only to make moving from Windows to Linux with Trinity infinitesimally easier for some people.
Bing also probably doesn't render well or fast on Konqueror, another reason to not use it at least until we switch away from KHTML.
Calvin
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote:
On 6 March 2012 07:46, E. Liddell ejlddll@googlemail.com wrote:
On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 23:54:19 -0500 Kristopher Gamrat chaotickjg@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote:
On 5 March 2012 23:26, David C. Rankin drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com wrote:
On 03/05/2012 09:45 PM, Kristopher Gamrat wrote:
So far nobody's mentioned Bing. I know many hard-core FOSS peoples (myself included) would never touch it, but many new users might.
Good point...
I say we ignore it. Don't some of the features require Silverlight? At one point they did. My vote is no.
What's Silverlight? I never heard of it. I just tested Bing in Firefox, and it worked fine. The video previews in their video search was a bit glitchy, but I was able to click the videos and watch them normally. All their other search functions (web, images, maps, news, and shopping) seemed to operate fine too. Although Bing is way to flashy for me, and does not operate/organize itself in a way that I'd consider using it,
Silverlight was Microsoft's attempt at a Flash clone. For obvious reasons, it never really caught on.
While I, personally, dislike Bing and would never use it, I support adding it to the list of search engines, if only to make moving from Windows to Linux with Trinity infinitesimally easier for some people.
Bing also probably doesn't render well or fast on Konqueror, another reason to not use it at least until we switch away from KHTML.
From personal experience, almost nothing renders well in Konqueror anymore. Google is the only thing that does for me out of the sites I normally frequent, and it's forced to use the "old-fashioned" interface from over a year ago because KHTML is severely outdated.
-- Kristopher Gamrat
On 6 March 2012 12:07, Kristopher Gamrat chaotickjg@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote:
On 6 March 2012 07:46, E. Liddell ejlddll@googlemail.com wrote:
On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 23:54:19 -0500 Kristopher Gamrat chaotickjg@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote:
On 5 March 2012 23:26, David C. Rankin drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com wrote:
On 03/05/2012 09:45 PM, Kristopher Gamrat wrote: > So far nobody's mentioned Bing. I know many hard-core FOSS peoples > (myself included) would never touch it, but many new users might. >
Good point...
I say we ignore it. Don't some of the features require Silverlight? At one point they did. My vote is no.
What's Silverlight? I never heard of it. I just tested Bing in Firefox, and it worked fine. The video previews in their video search was a bit glitchy, but I was able to click the videos and watch them normally. All their other search functions (web, images, maps, news, and shopping) seemed to operate fine too. Although Bing is way to flashy for me, and does not operate/organize itself in a way that I'd consider using it,
Silverlight was Microsoft's attempt at a Flash clone. For obvious reasons, it never really caught on.
While I, personally, dislike Bing and would never use it, I support adding it to the list of search engines, if only to make moving from Windows to Linux with Trinity infinitesimally easier for some people.
Bing also probably doesn't render well or fast on Konqueror, another reason to not use it at least until we switch away from KHTML.
From personal experience, almost nothing renders well in Konqueror anymore. Google is the only thing that does for me out of the sites I normally frequent, and it's forced to use the "old-fashioned" interface from over a year ago because KHTML is severely outdated.
-- Kristopher Gamrat
Google renders well in Konqueror. It just uses the older interface (which imho is cleaner and faster). Bing is partially broken.
http://duckduckgo.com/html/ and http://duckduckgo.com/lite/ are also lighter versions of DDG that probably render better.
Calvin
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote:
On 6 March 2012 12:07, Kristopher Gamrat chaotickjg@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote:
On 6 March 2012 07:46, E. Liddell ejlddll@googlemail.com wrote:
On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 23:54:19 -0500 Kristopher Gamrat chaotickjg@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote:
On 5 March 2012 23:26, David C. Rankin drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: > On 03/05/2012 09:45 PM, Kristopher Gamrat wrote: >> So far nobody's mentioned Bing. I know many hard-core FOSS peoples >> (myself included) would never touch it, but many new users might. >> > > Good point...
I say we ignore it. Don't some of the features require Silverlight? At one point they did. My vote is no.
What's Silverlight? I never heard of it. I just tested Bing in Firefox, and it worked fine. The video previews in their video search was a bit glitchy, but I was able to click the videos and watch them normally. All their other search functions (web, images, maps, news, and shopping) seemed to operate fine too. Although Bing is way to flashy for me, and does not operate/organize itself in a way that I'd consider using it,
Silverlight was Microsoft's attempt at a Flash clone. For obvious reasons, it never really caught on.
While I, personally, dislike Bing and would never use it, I support adding it to the list of search engines, if only to make moving from Windows to Linux with Trinity infinitesimally easier for some people.
Bing also probably doesn't render well or fast on Konqueror, another reason to not use it at least until we switch away from KHTML.
From personal experience, almost nothing renders well in Konqueror anymore. Google is the only thing that does for me out of the sites I normally frequent, and it's forced to use the "old-fashioned" interface from over a year ago because KHTML is severely outdated.
-- Kristopher Gamrat
Google renders well in Konqueror. It just uses the older interface (which imho is cleaner and faster). Bing is partially broken.
That's what I said, isn't it?
-- Kristopher Gamrat
On 6 March 2012 13:03, Kristopher Gamrat chaotickjg@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote:
On 6 March 2012 12:07, Kristopher Gamrat chaotickjg@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote:
On 6 March 2012 07:46, E. Liddell ejlddll@googlemail.com wrote:
On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 23:54:19 -0500 Kristopher Gamrat chaotickjg@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote: > On 5 March 2012 23:26, David C. Rankin drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: >> On 03/05/2012 09:45 PM, Kristopher Gamrat wrote: >>> So far nobody's mentioned Bing. I know many hard-core FOSS peoples >>> (myself included) would never touch it, but many new users might. >>> >> >> Good point... > > I say we ignore it. Don't some of the features require Silverlight? At > one point they did. My vote is no.
What's Silverlight? I never heard of it. I just tested Bing in Firefox, and it worked fine. The video previews in their video search was a bit glitchy, but I was able to click the videos and watch them normally. All their other search functions (web, images, maps, news, and shopping) seemed to operate fine too. Although Bing is way to flashy for me, and does not operate/organize itself in a way that I'd consider using it,
Silverlight was Microsoft's attempt at a Flash clone. For obvious reasons, it never really caught on.
While I, personally, dislike Bing and would never use it, I support adding it to the list of search engines, if only to make moving from Windows to Linux with Trinity infinitesimally easier for some people.
Bing also probably doesn't render well or fast on Konqueror, another reason to not use it at least until we switch away from KHTML.
From personal experience, almost nothing renders well in Konqueror anymore. Google is the only thing that does for me out of the sites I normally frequent, and it's forced to use the "old-fashioned" interface from over a year ago because KHTML is severely outdated.
-- Kristopher Gamrat
Google renders well in Konqueror. It just uses the older interface (which imho is cleaner and faster). Bing is partially broken.
That's what I said, isn't it?
-- Kristopher Gamrat
Sigh,
You said most things are broken in Konqueror. I am not concerned about "most things" rendering well. I am trying to make sure a very certain set of defaults render well. Therefore I was being rather particular.
Calvin
On Tuesday 06 March 2012 01:05:33 pm Calvin Morrison wrote:
On 6 March 2012 13:03, Kristopher Gamrat chaotickjg@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote:
On 6 March 2012 12:07, Kristopher Gamrat chaotickjg@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote:
On 6 March 2012 07:46, E. Liddell ejlddll@googlemail.com wrote:
On Mon, 5 Mar 2012 23:54:19 -0500 Kristopher Gamrat chaotickjg@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com wrote: > > On 5 March 2012 23:26, David C. Rankin drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com wrote: > >> On 03/05/2012 09:45 PM, Kristopher Gamrat wrote: > >>> So far nobody's mentioned Bing. I know many hard-core FOSS peoples > >>> (myself included) would never touch it, but many new users might. > >>> > >> > >> Good point... > > > > I say we ignore it. Don't some of the features require Silverlight? At > > one point they did. My vote is no. > > What's Silverlight? I never heard of it. I just tested Bing in > Firefox, and it worked fine. The video previews in their video search > was a bit glitchy, but I was able to click the videos and watch them > normally. All their other search functions (web, images, maps, news, > and shopping) seemed to operate fine too. Although Bing is way to > flashy for me, and does not operate/organize itself in a way that I'd > consider using it,
Silverlight was Microsoft's attempt at a Flash clone. For obvious reasons, it never really caught on.
While I, personally, dislike Bing and would never use it, I support adding it to the list of search engines, if only to make moving from Windows to Linux with Trinity infinitesimally easier for some people.
Bing also probably doesn't render well or fast on Konqueror, another reason to not use it at least until we switch away from KHTML.
From personal experience, almost nothing renders well in Konqueror anymore. Google is the only thing that does for me out of the sites I normally frequent, and it's forced to use the "old-fashioned" interface from over a year ago because KHTML is severely outdated.
-- Kristopher Gamrat
Google renders well in Konqueror. It just uses the older interface (which imho is cleaner and faster). Bing is partially broken.
That's what I said, isn't it?
-- Kristopher Gamrat
Sigh,
You said most things are broken in Konqueror. I am not concerned about "most things" rendering well. I am trying to make sure a very certain set of defaults render well. Therefore I was being rather particular.
I said nothing about being broken. Please properly read what I am saying. This is why many arguments break out on the Internet -- because people put words in other people's mouths. I just said that most things don't render well, I never said nothing about most things being broken. Most stuff does render, just not very well. We do need most things to render well to make Konqueror a viable browser.
Let me break it down.
I said nothing about being broken.
Okay sorry, you said most things do not render well. I consider that broken. If a renderer is not rendering something properly, it is broken. The same way if a car does not drive, it is also broken.
Please properly read what I am saying. This is why many arguments break out on the Internet because people put words in other people's mouths.
No I'm not really sure why you have turned this into an argument, or something stranger. it's sort of upsetting to me. Are you intentionally doing so?
That's what I said, isn't it?
Why did you say that? Because you wanted to bait me into creating a superficial argument so you could fulfill some weird social need? I don't want to get into semantic, pedantic, or any ic arguments.
I just said that most things don't render well, I never said nothing about most things being broken.
Broken? I think this sentence is broken. Please use proper English.
We do need most things to render well to make Konqueror a viable browser.
Okay sort of off topic here - this doesn't really have anything to do with the original discussion, and neither does my reply frankly. Lets try and stay on topic
Flame flame go away flame again another day. Calvin
On Tuesday 06 March 2012 04:53:16 pm Calvin Morrison wrote:
Let me break it down.
I said nothing about being broken.
Okay sorry, you said most things do not render well. I consider that broken. If a renderer is not rendering something properly, it is broken. The same way if a car does not drive, it is also broken.
Please properly read what I am saying. This is why many arguments break out on the Internet because people put words in other people's mouths.
No I'm not really sure why you have turned this into an argument, or something stranger. it's sort of upsetting to me. Are you intentionally doing so?
I am not trying to turn it into an argument. I find it upsetting that people always want to turn what I say into something else.
That's what I said, isn't it?
Why did you say that? Because you wanted to bait me into creating a superficial argument so you could fulfill some weird social need? I don't want to get into semantic, pedantic, or any ic arguments.
I said that because you seemed to be quoting my message and repeating what I said in my message. However, it seems you are now trying to provoke me into an argument.
I just said that most things don't render well, I never said nothing about most things being broken.
Broken? I think this sentence is broken. Please use proper English.
One minor mistake in grammar means that it is completely broken? Are YOU trying to provoke me into an argument?
We do need most things to render well to make Konqueror a viable browser.
Okay sort of off topic here - this doesn't really have anything to do with the original discussion, and neither does my reply frankly. Lets try and stay on topic
I know it's off topic, I was simply responding to your message.
Flame flame go away flame again another day.
So I am flaming? No, I am simply expressing my frustration at your misinterpreting my messages. Now I am angry, since you are continuing to turn my messages into something they are now. This is yet another reason internet arguments occur.
Since the volunteers on the TDE mailing list seem to want to frequently start flame wars on their public mailing lists, I am very discouraged about whether or not it would be worth it to stay with TDE. If the TDE community is like this, it is not worth it. So, if we can stop twisting around each other words and JUST PLAIN STOP FLAMING AND TROLLING, I will stay and will try to help once I have my new hard disk. Otherwise, it just isn't worth if for me.
Am I overreacting? Maybe. Do I think I'm overreacting? Certainly not. This isn't the first time my words were twisted around, and it most certainly isn't the first time that flaming has occurred here.
-- Kris Gamrat
Since the volunteers on the TDE mailing list seem to want to frequently start flame wars on their public mailing lists, I am very discouraged about whether or not it would be worth it to stay with TDE. If the TDE community is like this, it is not worth it. So, if we can stop twisting around each other words and JUST PLAIN STOP FLAMING AND TROLLING, I will stay and will try to help once I have my new hard disk. Otherwise, it just isn't worth if for me.
If it isn't worth your time, then save yourself the misery and duck out now. You are free stay or to leave, or do whatever you wish. However, I beg you not to make any rash decisions based on a single misunderstanding.
We're all on the same team here. Everyone is gunning for Trinity. So lets keep focused on working and not focused on pointless discussion.
Calvin Morrison.
Since the volunteers on the TDE mailing list seem to want to frequently start flame wars on their public mailing lists, I am very discouraged about whether or not it would be worth it to stay with TDE. If the TDE community is like this, it is not worth it. So, if we can stop twisting around each other words and JUST PLAIN STOP FLAMING AND TROLLING, I will stay and will try to help once I have my new hard disk. Otherwise, it just isn't worth if for me.
If it isn't worth your time, then save yourself the misery and duck out now. You are free stay or to leave, or do whatever you wish. However, I beg you not to make any rash decisions based on a single misunderstanding.
We're all on the same team here. Everyone is gunning for Trinity. So lets keep focused on working and not focused on pointless discussion.
Calvin Morrison.
I could have saved you this entire argument: KHTML is broken. Badly.
Please keep it civil on these lists.
Tim
On Tuesday 06 March 2012 05:37:45 pm Timothy Pearson wrote:
Since the volunteers on the TDE mailing list seem to want to frequently start flame wars on their public mailing lists, I am very discouraged about whether or not it would be worth it to stay with TDE. If the TDE community is like this, it is not worth it. So, if we can stop twisting around each other words and JUST PLAIN STOP FLAMING AND TROLLING, I will stay and will try to help once I have my new hard disk. Otherwise, it just isn't worth if for me.
If it isn't worth your time, then save yourself the misery and duck out now. You are free stay or to leave, or do whatever you wish. However, I beg you not to make any rash decisions based on a single misunderstanding.
We're all on the same team here. Everyone is gunning for Trinity. So lets keep focused on working and not focused on pointless discussion.
Calvin Morrison.
I could have saved you this entire argument: KHTML is broken. Badly.
Please keep it civil on these lists.
Tim
I would like to keep things civil. However, considering that most every time (not literally every time) I unsubscribe from the lists, usually for personal reasons not related to TDE, then resubscribe, there seems to be some kind of flaming going on. I find this very discouraging. Therefor, me possibly leaving is not based on this one event. If we can keep this from happening, I do not see any reason to leave TDE. If, however, the flaming continues to occur, then yes, I will leave.
And as far as I'm considered, I do not see any reason to try to make someone look like the bad guy just because he or she is trying to express an opinion or feeling about a situation, as has happened here.
-- Kris Gamrat.
Please keep it civil on these lists.
I would like to keep things civil. However, considering that most every time (not literally every time) I unsubscribe from the lists, usually for personal reasons not related to TDE, then resubscribe, there seems to be some kind of flaming going on. I find this very discouraging. Therefor, me possibly leaving is not based on this one event. If we can keep this from happening, I do not see any reason to leave TDE. If, however, the flaming continues to occur, then yes, I will leave.
And as far as I'm considered, I do not see any reason to try to make someone look like the bad guy just because he or she is trying to express an opinion or feeling about a situation, as has happened here.
I have worked as a technical writer for more than two decades. I have done a lot of expository writing as well. In those years I have learned that communicating in written form is challenging and seldom easy. With only the written word, readers do not have the advantage of body motion or facial expressions and cannot easily perceive context.
Finding the appropriate words to share our thoughts and ideas is hard.
Letters form words, words form sentences, and sentences represent ideas. A single word can be interpreted differently by many people. Language barriers further extend those interpretations. Those differences in symbolic representation affect the context in which text is received.
The challenge is further complicated in lists and forums because 1) many people get lazy with expressing themselves, 2) many press the send button without proofreading, 3) language barriers introduce complexities that often are ignored, 4) many start a response without reading the entire message, 6) many type a response without pausing to contemplate full context and language barriers, 7) many fail to count to 10 before responding, and 8) many presume everybody is using words in the same way and manner.
Yes, I have ignored all of the above at one time or another. :) Therefore most times my response sits in my text editor for a long time before I forward anything.
People will always disagree. No hiding from that. People will always misunderstand one another. No hiding from that either. In lists and forums much animosity can be avoided by pausing, by asking the poster to reexplain, or pressing the delete button.
As I am now in those years when I have more of my life behind me than ahead, pressing the delete button is easier than arguing, as is blocking addresses. :)
Darrell
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