Hi all,
I just wanted to share that I found a new icon theme that is fitting and working very well with TDE. Icons are colorful and easy to understand. Maybe one day it could be packaged with TDE?
Here is the download link: http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Masalla+Icon+Theme?content=170413
Thank you! Tell me what you think! -Alexandre
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On 2015/10/01 12:55 AM, Alexandre wrote:
Hi all,
I just wanted to share that I found a new icon theme that is fitting and working very well with TDE. Icons are colorful and easy to understand. Maybe one day it could be packaged with TDE?
Here is the download link: http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Masalla+Icon+Theme?content=170413
Thank you! Tell me what you think! -Alexandre
Hi Alex, the theme looks quite good. Please create a bug report (if you haven't done it yet) so we do not forget it. Cheers Michele
On 2015/10/01 12:55 AM, Alexandre wrote:
Hi all,
I just wanted to share that I found a new icon theme that is fitting and working very well with TDE. Icons are colorful and easy to understand. Maybe one day it could be packaged with TDE?
Here is the download link: http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Masalla+Icon+Theme?content=170413
Thank you! Tell me what you think! -Alexandre
Hi Alex, the theme looks quite good. Please create a bug report (if you haven't done it yet) so we do not forget it. Cheers Michele
Ok, bug 2536 added!
Now my rant (yes, I will repeat it over and over):
In life you need to evolve, or you'll evaporate. TDE badly needs to have and show something new to the users and reviewers. Crystal SVG icon theme is visually outdated, ugly and makes everyone think that TDE is still living one or two decades agos. A product that evolves just visually is a dead-end, but a product that evolves just under the hood is a dead-end too. TDE should provide the choice of 2 defaults settings. One for old conservators, and one for the future.
Thank you! -Alexandre
On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 18:53:31 -0400 Alexandre ac586133@hotmail.com wrote:
On 2015/10/01 12:55 AM, Alexandre wrote:
Hi all,
I just wanted to share that I found a new icon theme that is fitting and working very well with TDE. Icons are colorful and easy to understand. Maybe one day it could be packaged with TDE?
Here is the download link: http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Masalla+Icon+Theme?content=170413
Thank you! Tell me what you think! -Alexandre
Hi Alex, the theme looks quite good. Please create a bug report (if you haven't done it yet) so we do not forget it. Cheers Michele
Ok, bug 2536 added!
Now my rant (yes, I will repeat it over and over):
In life you need to evolve, or you'll evaporate. TDE badly needs to have and show something new to the users and reviewers. Crystal SVG icon theme is visually outdated, ugly and makes everyone think that TDE is still living one or two decades agos. A product that evolves just visually is a dead-end, but a product that evolves just under the hood is a dead-end too. TDE should provide the choice of 2 defaults settings. One for old conservators, and one for the future.
"Ugly" is an extremely subjective term. I don't find the Crystal icons ugly at all. Unfashionable/dated-looking, certainly, that's a legitimate criticism--the current fashion is for a much flatter look, and the creator of Masalla does seem to have done a good job with that aesthetic. There is nothing wrong with changing the default icon package to something more modern-looking--KDE did it more than once. I'm cautiously in favour of a move provided the Crystal set remains available and we have the manpower to fix things like install scripts (which may end up being the sticking point).
One purely technical thing we have to consider if we're going to replace the default icon theme, though, is that the replacement must offer at least as much coverage as Crystal, in terms of the applications it has icons for. In particular, we'd need to ensure there are icons covering the TDE applications that are no longer in KDE, as these are the least likely to receive any "love" from an artist who isn't working with TDE.
E. Liddell
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 07:49:03 -0400 From: ejlddll@googlemail.com To: trinity-devel@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Subject: Re: [trinity-devel] An icon theme compatible with TDE
On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 18:53:31 -0400 Alexandre ac586133@hotmail.com wrote:
On 2015/10/01 12:55 AM, Alexandre wrote:
Hi all,
I just wanted to share that I found a new icon theme that is fitting and working very well with TDE. Icons are colorful and easy to understand. Maybe one day it could be packaged with TDE?
Here is the download link: http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Masalla+Icon+Theme?content=170413
Thank you! Tell me what you think! -Alexandre
Hi Alex, the theme looks quite good. Please create a bug report (if you haven't done it yet) so we do not forget it. Cheers Michele
Ok, bug 2536 added!
Now my rant (yes, I will repeat it over and over):
In life you need to evolve, or you'll evaporate. TDE badly needs to have and show something new to the users and reviewers. Crystal SVG icon theme is visually outdated, ugly and makes everyone think that TDE is still living one or two decades agos. A product that evolves just visually is a dead-end, but a product that evolves just under the hood is a dead-end too. TDE should provide the choice of 2 defaults settings. One for old conservators, and one for the future.
"Ugly" is an extremely subjective term. I don't find the Crystal icons ugly at all. Unfashionable/dated-looking, certainly, that's a legitimate criticism--the current fashion is for a much flatter look, and the creator of Masalla does seem to have done a good job with that aesthetic. There is nothing wrong with changing the default icon package to something more modern-looking--KDE did it more than once. I'm cautiously in favour of a move provided the Crystal set remains available and we have the manpower to fix things like install scripts (which may end up being the sticking point).
One purely technical thing we have to consider if we're going to replace the default icon theme, though, is that the replacement must offer at least as much coverage as Crystal, in terms of the applications it has icons for. In particular, we'd need to ensure there are icons covering the TDE applications that are no longer in KDE, as these are the least likely to receive any "love" from an artist who isn't working with TDE.
E. Liddell
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Hi!
I have no problem too to keep CrystalSVG available, but it has made its time and now it's time for something else. If you have some time to try the icon theme on your TDE setup, you'll find that it fits very well (thanks to devs work on getting freedesktop.org compatible) and there is almost nothing to adapt, since K apps use generic app category icons instead of icons with a K. The only thing needed would be to delete the KDE logo, to let TDE fallback to its own logo, to be found in the CrystalSVG folder. All of this is made automatically. This means that if xyz app has no masalla icon, the CrystalSVG icon is used automatically.
What do you think about it? Alexandre
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On 2015/10/10 02:19 AM, Alexandre wrote:
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 07:49:03 -0400 From: ejlddll@googlemail.com To: trinity-devel@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Subject: Re: [trinity-devel] An icon theme compatible with TDE
On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 18:53:31 -0400 Alexandre ac586133@hotmail.com wrote:
On 2015/10/01 12:55 AM, Alexandre wrote:
Hi all,
I just wanted to share that I found a new icon theme that is fitting and working very well with TDE. Icons are colorful and easy to understand. Maybe one day it could be packaged with TDE?
Here is the download link: http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Masalla+Icon+Theme?content=170413
Thank you! Tell me what you think! -Alexandre
Hi Alex, the theme looks quite good. Please create a bug report (if you haven't done it yet) so we do not forget it. Cheers Michele
Ok, bug 2536 added!
Now my rant (yes, I will repeat it over and over):
In life you need to evolve, or you'll evaporate. TDE badly needs to have and show something new to the users and
reviewers.
Crystal SVG icon theme is visually outdated, ugly and makes everyone think that TDE is still living one or two
decades agos.
A product that evolves just visually is a dead-end, but a product that evolves just under the hood is a dead-end too. TDE should provide the choice of 2 defaults settings. One for old conservators, and one for the future.
"Ugly" is an extremely subjective term. I don't find the Crystal icons ugly at all. Unfashionable/dated-looking, certainly, that's a legitimate criticism--the current fashion is for a much flatter look, and the creator of Masalla does seem to have done a good job with that aesthetic. There is nothing wrong with changing the default icon package to something more modern-looking--KDE did it more than once. I'm cautiously in favour of a move provided the Crystal set remains available and we have the manpower to fix things like install scripts (which may end up being the sticking point).
One purely technical thing we have to consider if we're going to replace the default icon theme, though, is that the replacement must offer at least as much coverage as Crystal, in terms of the applications it has icons for. In particular, we'd need to ensure there are icons covering the TDE applications that are no longer in KDE, as these are the least likely to receive any "love" from an artist who isn't working with TDE.
E. Liddell
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Hi!
I have no problem too to keep CrystalSVG available, but it has made its time and now it's time for something else. If you have some time to try the icon theme on your TDE setup, you'll find that it fits very well (thanks to devs work on getting freedesktop.org compatible) and there is almost nothing to adapt, since K apps use generic app category icons instead of icons with a K. The only thing needed would be to delete the KDE logo, to let TDE fallback to its own logo, to be found in the CrystalSVG folder. All of this is made automatically. This means that if xyz app has no masalla icon, the CrystalSVG icon is used automatically.
What do you think about it? Alexandre
I also think a change of the default icon style might be a good idea to consider for the next minor release (R14.1.0, whenever it will be). We will need to test thoroughly to make sure we do not have missing icons, as E. correctly pointed out, but as long as we plan it right I think it is doable. Cheers Michele
I also think a change of the default icon style might be a good idea to consider for the next minor release (R14.1.0, whenever it will be). We will need to test thoroughly to make sure we do not have missing icons, as E. correctly pointed out, but as long as we plan it right I think it is doable. Cheers Michele
Hi,
Good! I think that a good solution would be to add a page to KPersonalizer where the icon theme could be choosen, with a nice little picture for each one. (I am ready to make these, just ask for it) Maybe also making sure that all widget styles appear in the KPersonalizer list too?
Do you want to try the icon theme on your TDE setup to see if if does the job for you? You just have to uncompress the archive (as root, with a good archiver, not ark) in /opt/trinity/share/icons
Have a great day! -Alexandre
Dne po 12. října 2015 Alexandre napsal(a):
I also think a change of the default icon style might be a good idea to consider for the next minor release (R14.1.0, whenever it will be). We will need to test thoroughly to make sure we do not have missing icons, as E. correctly pointed out, but as long as we plan it right I think it is doable. Cheers Michele
Hi,
Good! I think that a good solution would be to add a page to KPersonalizer where the icon theme could be choosen, with a nice little picture for each one. (I am ready to make these, just ask for it) Maybe also making sure that all widget styles appear in the KPersonalizer list too?
This is the best idea! At least I could set straight on first login my favorite "highcolor-classic" icons (for someone very very very outdated) :)
Do you want to try the icon theme on your TDE setup to see if if does the job for you? You just have to uncompress the archive (as root, with a good archiver, not ark) in /opt/trinity/share/icons
Have a great day! -Alexandre
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On 2015/10/12 10:38 PM, Slávek Banko wrote:
Dne po 12. října 2015 Alexandre napsal(a):
I also think a change of the default icon style might be a good idea to consider for the next minor release (R14.1.0, whenever it will be). We will need to test thoroughly to make sure we do not have missing icons, as E. correctly pointed out, but as long as we plan it right I think it is doable. Cheers Michele
Hi,
Good! I think that a good solution would be to add a page to KPersonalizer where the icon theme could be choosen, with a nice little picture for each one. (I am ready to make these, just ask for it) Maybe also making sure that all widget styles appear in the KPersonalizer list too?
This is the best idea! At least I could set straight on first login my favorite "highcolor-classic" icons (for someone very very very outdated) :)
Do you want to try the icon theme on your TDE setup to see if if does the job for you? You just have to uncompress the archive (as root, with a good archiver, not ark) in /opt/trinity/share/icons
Have a great day! -Alexandre
Yes, I also like the idea ;-) Alex, please could you add a note to the bug report you already filed before? Something like "add new kpersonalizer page for icon style selection". Cheers Michele
Yes, I also like the idea ;-) Alex, please could you add a note to the bug report you already filed before? Something like "add new kpersonalizer page for icon style selection". Cheers Michele
Hi,
Okay, I added it to the 2536 bug report
Do you think Michele or Slavek is up to the task of adding the page to KPersonalizer?
If yes, just tell me the size of the icon preview picture, and I'll make something. I'm thinking about pictures maybe 70x200 pixels, one for each: -Masalla icon theme -CrystalSVG icon theme -HighColor icon theme -High contrast icon theme
What do you think? -Alexandre
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On 2015/10/15 05:20 AM, Alexandre wrote:
Yes, I also like the idea ;-) Alex, please could you add a note to the bug report you already filed before? Something like "add new kpersonalizer page for icon style selection". Cheers Michele
Hi,
Okay, I added it to the 2536 bug report
Do you think Michele or Slavek is up to the task of adding the page to KPersonalizer?
If yes, just tell me the size of the icon preview picture, and I'll make something. I'm thinking about pictures maybe 70x200 pixels, one for each: -Masalla icon theme -CrystalSVG icon theme -HighColor icon theme -High contrast icon theme
What do you think? -Alexandre
Hi Alex, thanks. Currently I am not working on this (very busy period at work and have little time for TDE, just back after a month of no TDE work at all). But I had a look at the icon theme and it looks good. So I am also interested in adding it. It will be a two step proces s: 1) add the new theme to TDE 2) add the new page to KPersonalizer and perhaps 3) rename KPersonalizer to TDEPersonalizer.
Being a new addition, the new theme will only be available on the R14.1.x branch, not on the R14.0.x.
Cheers Michele
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On 10/15/2015 06:20 AM, Alexandre wrote:
Yes, I also like the idea ;-) Alex, please could you add a note to the bug report you already filed before? Something like "add new kpersonalizer page for icon style selection". Cheers Michele
Hi,
Okay, I added it to the 2536 bug report
Do you think Michele or Slavek is up to the task of adding the page to KPersonalizer?
If yes, just tell me the size of the icon preview picture, and I'll make something. I'm thinking about pictures maybe 70x200 pixels, one for each: -Masalla icon theme -CrystalSVG icon theme -HighColor icon theme -High contrast icon theme
What do you think? -Alexandre
(from bug 2536 comments)
I had a look at the icon theme. The stated license is as follow:
"Icons are licensed under the Creative Commons License (CC BY-NC-SA 4.0). Some parts of this work is under GPL-3.0+ License".
As far as I can google it, CC BY-SA 4.0 is one-way compatible with GPL 3.0, but I have found no mention about CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 and GPL 3.0 compatibility. - -NC- stands for Non-Commercial and should therefore not be a problem with GPL 3.0, but unless there is a clear indication that CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 is GPL 3.0, we can not usd the theme in TDE.
Slavek, Tim, any more info/ideas?
Thanks Michele
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 23:32:47 +0800 Michele Calgaro michele.calgaro@yahoo.it wrote:
As far as I can google it, CC BY-SA 4.0 is one-way compatible with GPL 3.0, but I have found no mention about CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 and GPL 3.0 compatibility.
- -NC- stands for Non-Commercial and should therefore not be a problem with GPL 3.0, but unless there is a clear
indication that CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 is GPL 3.0, we can not usd the theme in TDE.
Drat. It's incompatible, because the GPL specifies that you aren't allowed to add additional restrictions (IIRC, anyway), and "non-commercial use only" is an additional restriction. The Alladin Free Public License is GPL-incompatible because of a similar non-commercial requirement, so look that up if you want the exact reasoning.
E. Liddell
________________________________________ De : E. Liddell ejlddll@googlemail.com Envoyé : 24 octobre 2015 18:45 À : trinity-devel@lists.pearsoncomputing.net Objet : Re: [trinity-devel] An icon theme compatible with TDE
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 23:32:47 +0800 Michele Calgaro michele.calgaro@yahoo.it wrote:
As far as I can google it, CC BY-SA 4.0 is one-way compatible with GPL 3.0, but I have found no mention about CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 and GPL 3.0 compatibility.
- -NC- stands for Non-Commercial and should therefore not be a problem with GPL 3.0, but unless there is a clear
indication that CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 is GPL 3.0, we can not usd the theme in TDE.
Drat. It's incompatible, because the GPL specifies that you aren't allowed to add additional restrictions (IIRC, anyway), and "non-commercial use only" is an additional restriction. The Alladin Free Public License is GPL-incompatible because of a similar non-commercial requirement, so look that up if you want the exact reasoning.
E. Liddell
Hi,
Arghhh! :) I understand the issue! If only I could invent 40 more hours per week, I could make one icon theme! But still I think that a replacement for CrystalSVG should be found!
Have a great day! -Alexandre
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On 10/25/2015 08:04 AM, Alexandre wrote:
Arghhh! :) I understand the issue! If only I could invent 40 more hours per week, I could make one icon theme! But still I think that a replacement for CrystalSVG should be found!
Have a great day! -Alexandre
Yes, I think a newer default icon theme is a good idea, so if we can find a nice one which is also available under GPL license, then we can adopt it.
Cheers Michele
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On 10/25/2015 06:45 AM, E. Liddell wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 23:32:47 +0800 Michele Calgaro michele.calgaro@yahoo.it wrote:
As far as I can google it, CC BY-SA 4.0 is one-way compatible with GPL 3.0, but I have found no mention about CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 and GPL 3.0 compatibility. - -NC- stands for Non-Commercial and should therefore not be a problem with GPL 3.0, but unless there is a clear indication that CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 is GPL 3.0, we can not usd the theme in TDE.
Drat. It's incompatible, because the GPL specifies that you aren't allowed to add additional restrictions (IIRC, anyway), and "non-commercial use only" is an additional restriction. The Alladin Free Public License is GPL-incompatible because of a similar non-commercial requirement, so look that up if you want the exact reasoning.
E. Liddell
Hi E. thanks a lot for the explanation. So NC means 'non-commercial ONLY', I see. Then no choice, we definitely can't use the theme.
Cheers Michele
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