30 Sep
2015
30 Sep
'15
5:55 p.m.
Hi all,
I just wanted to share that I found a new icon theme that is fitting and working very well
with TDE. Icons are colorful and easy to understand. Maybe one day it could be packaged
with TDE?
Here is the download link:
http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Masalla+Icon+Theme?content=170413
Thank you! Tell me what you think!
-Alexandre
1 Oct
1 Oct
10:04 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] An icon theme compatible with TDE
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On 2015/10/01 12:55 AM, Alexandre wrote:
Hi all,
I just wanted to share that I found a new icon theme that is fitting and working very
well with TDE. Icons are
colorful and easy to understand. Maybe one day it could be packaged with TDE?
Here is the download link:
http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Masalla+Icon+Theme?content=170413
Thank you! Tell me what you think! -Alexandre
Hi Alex,
the theme looks quite good. Please create a bug report (if you haven't done it yet) so
we do not forget it.
Cheers
Michele
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6 Oct
6 Oct
10:53 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] An icon theme compatible with TDE
On 2015/10/01 12:55 AM, Alexandre wrote:
Ok, bug 2536 added!
Now my rant (yes, I will repeat it over and over):
In life you need to evolve, or you'll evaporate. TDE badly needs to have and show
something new to the users and reviewers. Crystal SVG icon theme is visually outdated,
ugly and makes everyone think that TDE is still living one or two decades agos. A product
that evolves just visually is a dead-end, but a product that evolves just under the hood
is a dead-end too.
TDE should provide the choice of 2 defaults settings. One for old conservators, and one
for the future.
Thank you!
-Alexandre
Hi all,
I just wanted to share that I found a new icon theme that is fitting and working very
well with TDE. Icons are
colorful and easy to understand. Maybe one day it could be packaged with TDE?
Here is the download link:
http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Masalla+Icon+Theme?content=170413
Thank you! Tell me what you think! -Alexandre
Hi Alex,
the theme looks quite good. Please create a bug report (if you haven't done it yet)
so we do not forget it.
Cheers
Michele
8 Oct
8 Oct
11:49 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] An icon theme compatible with TDE
On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 18:53:31 -0400
Alexandre <ac586133(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
"Ugly" is an extremely subjective term. I don't find the Crystal icons ugly
at all.
Unfashionable/dated-looking, certainly, that's a legitimate criticism--the current
fashion is for a much flatter look, and the creator of Masalla does seem to have
done a good job with that aesthetic. There is nothing wrong with changing the
default icon package to something more modern-looking--KDE did it more than
once. I'm cautiously in favour of a move provided the Crystal set remains available
and we have the manpower to fix things like install scripts (which may end up being
the sticking point).
One purely technical thing we have to consider if we're going to replace the default
icon theme, though, is that the replacement must offer at least as much coverage as
Crystal, in terms of the applications it has icons for. In particular, we'd need to
ensure there are icons covering the TDE applications that are no longer in KDE,
as these are the least likely to receive any "love" from an artist who isn't
working
with TDE.
E. Liddell
On 2015/10/01 12:55 AM, Alexandre wrote:
Ok, bug 2536 added!
Now my rant (yes, I will repeat it over and over):
In life you need to evolve, or you'll evaporate. TDE badly needs to have and show
something new to the users and reviewers.
Crystal SVG icon theme is visually outdated, ugly and makes everyone think that TDE is
still living one or two decades agos.
A product that evolves just visually is a dead-end, but a product that evolves just under
the hood is a dead-end too.
TDE should provide the choice of 2 defaults settings. One for old conservators, and one
for the future. Hi all,
I just wanted to share that I found a new icon theme that is fitting and working very
well with TDE. Icons are
colorful and easy to understand. Maybe one day it could be packaged with TDE?
Here is the download link:
http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Masalla+Icon+Theme?content=170413
Thank you! Tell me what you think! -Alexandre
Hi Alex,
the theme looks quite good. Please create a bug report (if you haven't done it yet)
so we do not forget it.
Cheers
Michele
9 Oct
9 Oct
7:19 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] An icon theme compatible with TDE
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 07:49:03 -0400
From: ejlddll(a)googlemail.com
To: trinity-devel(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-devel] An icon theme compatible with TDE
On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 18:53:31 -0400
Alexandre <ac586133(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
"Ugly" is an extremely subjective term. I don't find the Crystal icons
ugly at all.
Unfashionable/dated-looking, certainly, that's a legitimate criticism--the current
fashion is for a much flatter look, and the creator of Masalla does seem to have
done a good job with that aesthetic. There is nothing wrong with changing the
default icon package to something more modern-looking--KDE did it more than
once. I'm cautiously in favour of a move provided the Crystal set remains available
and we have the manpower to fix things like install scripts (which may end up being
the sticking point).
One purely technical thing we have to consider if we're going to replace the default
icon theme, though, is that the replacement must offer at least as much coverage as
Crystal, in terms of the applications it has icons for. In particular, we'd need to
ensure there are icons covering the TDE applications that are no longer in KDE,
as these are the least likely to receive any "love" from an artist who
isn't working
with TDE.
E. Liddell
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Hi!
I have no problem too to keep CrystalSVG available, but it has made its time and now
it's time for something else. If you have some time to try the icon theme on your TDE
setup, you'll find that it fits very well (thanks to devs work on getting
freedesktop.org compatible) and there is almost nothing to adapt, since K apps use generic
app category icons instead of icons with a K. The only thing needed would be to delete the
KDE logo, to let TDE fallback to its own logo, to be found in the CrystalSVG folder. All
of this is made automatically. This means that if xyz app has no masalla icon, the
CrystalSVG icon is used automatically.
What do you think about it?
Alexandre
On 2015/10/01 12:55 AM, Alexandre wrote:
Ok, bug 2536 added!
Now my rant (yes, I will repeat it over and over):
In life you need to evolve, or you'll evaporate. TDE badly needs to have and show
something new to the users and reviewers.
Crystal SVG icon theme is visually outdated, ugly and makes everyone think that TDE is
still living one or two decades agos.
A product that evolves just visually is a dead-end, but a product that evolves just under
the hood is a dead-end too.
TDE should provide the choice of 2 defaults settings. One for old conservators, and one
for the future. Hi all,
I just wanted to share that I found a new icon theme that is fitting and working very
well with TDE. Icons are
colorful and easy to understand. Maybe one day it could be packaged with TDE?
Here is the download link:
http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Masalla+Icon+Theme?content=170413
Thank you! Tell me what you think! -Alexandre
Hi Alex,
the theme looks quite good. Please create a bug report (if you haven't done it yet)
so we do not forget it.
Cheers
Michele
10 Oct
10 Oct
1:44 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] An icon theme compatible with TDE
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On 2015/10/10 02:19 AM, Alexandre wrote:
Hi!
I have no problem too to keep CrystalSVG available, but it has made its time and now
it's time for something else.
If you have some time to try the icon theme on your TDE setup, you'll find that it
fits very well (thanks to devs
work on getting freedesktop.org compatible) and there is almost nothing to adapt, since K
apps use generic app
category icons instead of icons with a K. The only thing needed would be to delete the
KDE logo, to let TDE
fallback to its own logo, to be found in the CrystalSVG folder. All of this is made
automatically. This means that
if xyz app has no masalla icon, the CrystalSVG icon is used automatically.
What do you think about it? Alexandre
I also think a change of the default icon style might be a good idea to consider for the
next minor release (R14.1.0,
whenever it will be). We will need to test thoroughly to make sure we do not have missing
icons, as E. correctly
pointed out, but as long as we plan it right I think it is doable.
Cheers
Michele
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 07:49:03 -0400 From:
ejlddll(a)googlemail.com To: trinity-devel(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Subject: Re: [trinity-devel] An icon theme compatible with TDE
On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 18:53:31 -0400 Alexandre <ac586133(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 2015/10/01 12:55 AM, Alexandre wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I just wanted to share that I found a new icon theme that is fitting and
working very well with TDE. Icons
>>> are colorful and easy to understand. Maybe one day it could be packaged with
TDE?
>>>
>>> Here is the download link:
http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Masalla+Icon+Theme?content=170413
>>>
>>> Thank you! Tell me what you think! -Alexandre
>>>
>> Hi Alex, the theme looks quite good. Please create a bug report (if you
haven't done it yet) so we do not
>> forget it. Cheers Michele
>>
>
> Ok, bug 2536 added!
>
> Now my rant (yes, I will repeat it over and over):
>
> In life you need to evolve, or you'll evaporate. TDE badly needs to have and show
something new to the users
> and
reviewers.
> Crystal SVG icon theme is visually outdated,
ugly and makes everyone think that TDE is still living one or two
decades agos.
A product
that evolves just visually is a dead-end, but a product that evolves just under the hood
is a
dead-end too. TDE should provide the choice of 2 defaults settings. One for old
conservators, and one for the
future.
"Ugly" is an extremely subjective term. I don't find the Crystal icons ugly
at all. Unfashionable/dated-looking,
certainly, that's a legitimate criticism--the current fashion is for a much flatter
look, and the creator of
Masalla does seem to have done a good job with that aesthetic. There is nothing wrong
with changing the default
icon package to something more modern-looking--KDE did it more than once. I'm
cautiously in favour of a move
provided the Crystal set remains available and we have the manpower to fix things like
install scripts (which may
end up being the sticking point).
One purely technical thing we have to consider if we're going to replace the default
icon theme, though, is that
the replacement must offer at least as much coverage as Crystal, in terms of the
applications it has icons for.
In particular, we'd need to ensure there are icons covering the TDE applications that
are no longer in KDE, as
these are the least likely to receive any "love" from an artist who isn't
working with TDE.
E. Liddell
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12 Oct
12 Oct
2:24 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] An icon theme compatible with TDE
I also think a change of the default icon style might
be a good idea to consider for the next minor release (R14.1.0,
whenever it will be). We will need to test thoroughly to make sure we do not have missing
icons, as E. correctly
pointed out, but as long as we plan it right I think it is doable.
Cheers
Michele
Hi,
Good! I think that a good solution would be to add a page to KPersonalizer where the icon
theme could be choosen, with a nice little picture for each one. (I am ready to make
these, just ask for it) Maybe also making sure that all widget styles appear in the
KPersonalizer list too?
Do you want to try the icon theme on your TDE setup to see if if does the job for you?
You just have to uncompress the archive (as root, with a good archiver, not ark) in
/opt/trinity/share/icons
Have a great day!
-Alexandre
3:38 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] An icon theme compatible with TDE
Dne po 12. října 2015 Alexandre napsal(a):
This is the best idea! At least I could set straight on first login my
favorite "highcolor-classic" icons (for someone very very very outdated) :)
I also think a
change of the default icon style might be a good idea to
consider for the next minor release (R14.1.0, whenever it will be). We
will need to test thoroughly to make sure we do not have missing icons,
as E. correctly pointed out, but as long as we plan it right I think it
is doable. Cheers
Michele
Hi,
Good! I think that a good solution would be to add a page to KPersonalizer
where the icon theme could be choosen, with a nice little picture for each
one. (I am ready to make these, just ask for it) Maybe also making sure
that all widget styles appear in the KPersonalizer list too?
Do you want to try the icon theme on your TDE setup to see if if does the
job for you? You just have to uncompress the archive (as root, with a good
archiver, not ark) in /opt/trinity/share/icons
Have a great day!
-Alexandre
--
Slávek
13 Oct
13 Oct
4:10 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] An icon theme compatible with TDE
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On 2015/10/12 10:38 PM, Slávek Banko wrote:
Dne po 12. října 2015 Alexandre napsal(a):
This is the best idea! At least I could set straight on first login my favorite
"highcolor-classic" icons (for
someone very very very outdated) :)
Yes, I also like the idea ;-)
Alex, please could you add a note to the bug report you already filed before? Something
like "add new kpersonalizer
page for icon style selection".
Cheers
Michele
I also
think a change of the default icon style might be a good idea to consider for the next
minor release
(R14.1.0, whenever it will be). We will need to test thoroughly to make sure we do not
have missing icons, as
E. correctly pointed out, but as long as we plan it right I think it is doable. Cheers
Michele
Hi,
Good! I think that a good solution would be to add a page to KPersonalizer where the icon
theme could be choosen,
with a nice little picture for each one. (I am ready to make these, just ask for it)
Maybe also making sure that
all widget styles appear in the KPersonalizer list too?
Do you want to try the icon theme on your TDE setup to see if if does the job for you?
You just have to
uncompress the archive (as root, with a good archiver, not ark) in
/opt/trinity/share/icons
Have a great day! -Alexandre
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14 Oct
14 Oct
10:20 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] An icon theme compatible with TDE
Yes, I also like the idea ;-)
Alex, please could you add a note to the bug report you already filed before? Something
like "add new kpersonalizer
page for icon style selection".
Cheers
Michele
Hi,
Okay, I added it to the 2536 bug report
Do you think Michele or Slavek is up to the task of adding the page to KPersonalizer?
If yes, just tell me the size of the icon preview picture, and I'll make something.
I'm thinking about pictures maybe 70x200 pixels, one for each:
-Masalla icon theme
-CrystalSVG icon theme
-HighColor icon theme
-High contrast icon theme
What do you think?
-Alexandre
15 Oct
15 Oct
2:03 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] An icon theme compatible with TDE
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On 2015/10/15 05:20 AM, Alexandre wrote:
Hi Alex,
thanks. Currently I am not working on this (very busy period at work and have little time
for TDE, just back after a
month of no TDE work at all).
But I had a look at the icon theme and it looks good. So I am also interested in adding
it. It will be a two step proces
s:
1) add the new theme to TDE
2) add the new page to KPersonalizer
and perhaps
3) rename KPersonalizer to TDEPersonalizer.
Being a new addition, the new theme will only be available on the R14.1.x branch, not on
the R14.0.x.
Cheers
Michele
Yes, I also like the idea ;-) Alex, please could
you add a note to the bug report you already filed before?
Something like "add new kpersonalizer page for icon style selection". Cheers
Michele
Hi,
Okay, I added it to the 2536 bug report
Do you think Michele or Slavek is up to the task of adding the page to KPersonalizer?
If yes, just tell me the size of the icon preview picture, and I'll make something.
I'm thinking about pictures
maybe 70x200 pixels, one for each: -Masalla icon theme -CrystalSVG icon theme -HighColor
icon theme -High contrast
icon theme
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24 Oct
24 Oct
3:32 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] An icon theme compatible with TDE
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On 10/15/2015 06:20 AM, Alexandre wrote:
(from bug 2536 comments)
I had a look at the icon theme. The stated license is as follow:
"Icons are licensed under the Creative Commons License (CC BY-NC-SA 4.0).
Some parts of this work is under GPL-3.0+ License".
As far as I can google it, CC BY-SA 4.0 is one-way compatible with GPL 3.0, but I have
found no mention about CC
BY-NC-SA 4.0 and GPL 3.0 compatibility.
- -NC- stands for Non-Commercial and should therefore not be a problem with GPL 3.0, but
unless there is a clear
indication that CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 is GPL 3.0, we can not usd the theme in TDE.
Slavek, Tim, any more info/ideas?
Thanks
Michele
Yes, I also like the idea ;-) Alex, please could
you add a note to the bug report you already filed before?
Something like "add new kpersonalizer page for icon style selection". Cheers
Michele
Hi,
Okay, I added it to the 2536 bug report
Do you think Michele or Slavek is up to the task of adding the page to KPersonalizer?
If yes, just tell me the size of the icon preview picture, and I'll make something.
I'm thinking about pictures
maybe 70x200 pixels, one for each: -Masalla icon theme -CrystalSVG icon theme -HighColor
icon theme -High contrast
icon theme
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10:45 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] An icon theme compatible with TDE
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 23:32:47 +0800
Michele Calgaro <michele.calgaro(a)yahoo.it> wrote:
As far as I can google it, CC BY-SA 4.0 is one-way
compatible with GPL 3.0, but I have found no mention about CC
BY-NC-SA 4.0 and GPL 3.0 compatibility.
- -NC- stands for Non-Commercial and should therefore not be a problem with GPL 3.0, but
unless there is a clear
indication that CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 is GPL 3.0, we can not usd the theme in TDE.
Drat. It's incompatible, because the GPL specifies that you aren't allowed to
add additional restrictions (IIRC, anyway), and "non-commercial use only" is an
additional restriction. The Alladin Free Public License is GPL-incompatible
because of a similar non-commercial requirement, so look that up if you want the
exact reasoning.
E. Liddell
25 Oct
25 Oct
12:04 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] An icon theme compatible with TDE
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De : E. Liddell <ejlddll(a)googlemail.com>
Envoyé : 24 octobre 2015 18:45
À : trinity-devel(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net
Objet : Re: [trinity-devel] An icon theme compatible with TDE
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 23:32:47 +0800
Michele Calgaro <michele.calgaro(a)yahoo.it> wrote:
As far as I can google it, CC BY-SA 4.0 is one-way
compatible with GPL 3.0, but I have found no mention about CC
BY-NC-SA 4.0 and GPL 3.0 compatibility.
- -NC- stands for Non-Commercial and should therefore not be a problem with GPL 3.0, but
unless there is a clear
indication that CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 is GPL 3.0, we can not usd the theme in TDE.
Drat. It's incompatible, because the GPL specifies that you aren't allowed to
add additional restrictions (IIRC, anyway), and "non-commercial use only" is an
additional restriction. The Alladin Free Public License is GPL-incompatible
because of a similar non-commercial requirement, so look that up if you want the
exact reasoning.
E. Liddell
Hi,
Arghhh! :) I understand the issue! If only I could invent 40 more hours per week, I could
make one icon theme!
But still I think that a replacement for CrystalSVG should be found!
Have a great day!
-Alexandre
12:51 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-devel] An icon theme compatible with TDE
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On 10/25/2015 08:04 AM, Alexandre wrote:
Arghhh! :) I understand the issue! If only I could
invent 40 more hours per week, I could make one icon theme! But
still I think that a replacement for CrystalSVG should be found!
Have a great day! -Alexandre
Yes, I think a newer default icon theme is a good idea, so if we can find a nice one which
is also available under GPL
license, then we can adopt it.
Cheers
Michele
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New subject: [trinity-devel] An icon theme compatible with TDE
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On 10/25/2015 06:45 AM, E. Liddell wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2015 23:32:47 +0800 Michele Calgaro
<michele.calgaro(a)yahoo.it> wrote:
Hi E.
thanks a lot for the explanation. So NC means 'non-commercial ONLY', I see.
Then no choice, we definitely can't use the theme.
Cheers
Michele
As far as I can google it, CC BY-SA 4.0 is
one-way compatible with GPL 3.0, but I have found no mention about CC
BY-NC-SA 4.0 and GPL 3.0 compatibility. - -NC- stands for Non-Commercial and should
therefore not be a problem
with GPL 3.0, but unless there is a clear indication that CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 is GPL 3.0, we
can not usd the theme in
TDE.
Drat. It's incompatible, because the GPL specifies that you aren't allowed to
add additional restrictions (IIRC,
anyway), and "non-commercial use only" is an additional restriction. The
Alladin Free Public License is
GPL-incompatible because of a similar non-commercial requirement, so look that up if you
want the exact reasoning.
E. Liddell
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