By "base" install, I mean all tde* packages. That is, nothing from applications. I use "core" to describe only up to tdebase and not installing the remaining base tde* packages. Another test I've wanted to conduct is using Trinity only with a keyboard. To try to understand various accessibility problems. One element I dislike about Firefox is I can't access the Bookmarks Toolbar with the keyboard. I wonder how many such examples exist in Trinity. Darrell