15 Feb
2023
15 Feb
'23
11:23 p.m.
Every PC I try to remove avahi from wants to disgorge most of TDE, even though all
of them are running systemd-network with static configuration for eth0 and have no
wireless hardware, just like my KDE3 installations that don't require avahi. What
wouldn't work if avahi wasn't installed with TDE? Why does TDE require it?
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Felix Miata
16 Feb
16 Feb
12:42 a.m.
On Thursday 16 of February 2023 00:23:22 Felix Miata via tde-devels wrote:
Every PC I try to remove avahi from wants to disgorge
most of TDE, even
though all of them are running systemd-network with static configuration
for eth0 and have no wireless hardware, just like my KDE3 installations
that don't require avahi. What wouldn't work if avahi wasn't installed
with TDE? Why does TDE require it?
For deb packages, tdelibs are built with avahi support by default.
Therefore, tdelibs binary package requires libavahi-tqt-1. However,
avahi-deemon is not necessary dependency.
Cheers
Slávek
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1:48 a.m.
Slávek Banko via tde-devels composed on 2023-02-16 01:42 (UTC+0100):
Felix Miata wrote:
> Every PC I try to remove avahi from wants to
disgorge most of TDE, even
> though all of them are running systemd-network with static configuration
> for eth0 and have no wireless hardware, just like my KDE3 installations
> that don't require avahi. What wouldn't work if avahi wasn't installed
> with TDE? Why does TDE require it?
For deb packages, tdelibs are built with avahi support
by default.
Therefore, tdelibs binary package requires libavahi-tqt-1. However,
avahi-deemon is not necessary dependency.
The following is what I was referring to:
# inxi -S
System:
Host: ara88 Kernel: 6.1.0-3-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Trinity
v: R14.0.13 Distro: Debian GNU/Linux bookworm/sid
# dpkg-query -l | grep avahi
ii libavahi-client3:amd64 0.8-8 amd64
Avahi client library
ii libavahi-common-data:amd64 0.8-8 amd64
Avahi common data files
ii libavahi-common3:amd64 0.8-8 amd64
Avahi common library
ii libavahi-tqt-1:amd64 4:14.0.13-0debian12.0.0+0~a amd64
Avahi TQt integration library
# apt purge libavahi-client3
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
adwaita-icon-theme at-spi2-common binutils-common dconf-gsettings-backend dconf-service
foomatic-db gtk-update-icon-cache htdig icewm-common inetutils-inetd inetutils-telnet
inetutils-telnetd ksysguardd-trinity libabsl20220623 libao-common libao4 libart-2.0-2
libaspell15 libass9 libatk-bridge2.0-0 libatk1.0-0 libatkmm-1.6-1v5 libatspi2.0-0
libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3 libavahi-tqt-1 libavc1394-0 libavif15 libbinutils
libbluray2 libbs2b0 libcaca0 libcairomm-1.0-1v5 libcanberra0 libcdio-cdda2
libcdio-paranoia2 libcdio19 libcdparanoia0 libchromaprint1 libcjson1 libcolord2 libconfig9
libdbus-1-tqt libdbus-glib-1-2 libdc1394-25 libdconf1 libdecor-0-0 libexif12 libexiv2-27
libflac8 libflite1 libgav1-1 libgd3 libgif7 libglibmm-2.4-1v5 libgme0 libgphoto2-6
libgphoto2-port12 libgpod4 libgs-common libgs10-common libgtk-3-common libgtk2.0-common
libical3 libid3tag0 libidn12 libiec61883-0 libijs-0.35 libimath-3-1-29 libimobiledevice6
libjansson4 libjasper1 libjbig2dec0 libldb2 liblept5 liblilv-0-0 liblockfile1
libmbedcrypto7 libmysofa1 libnorm1 libopenal-data libopenal1 libopenexr-3-1-30 libopenmpt0
libpangomm-1.4-1v5 libpgm-5.3-0 libplist3 libpostproc56 libpulse-mainloop-glib0
libpython3.11 libr0 librabbitmq4 librav1e0 libraw1394-11 librist4 librubberband2
libsdl2-2.0-0 libserd-0-0 libsndio7.0 libsodium23 libsord-0-0 libsratom-0-0
libsrt1.5-gnutls libssh-4 libswscale6 libtesseract5 libtevent0 libtiff5 libtqtinterface
libudfread0 libunibreak5 libusb-0.1-4 libusbmuxd6 libvidstab1.1 libwayland-cursor0
libxdamage1 libxkbcommon0 libxslt1.1 libxss1 libyuv0 libzimg2 libzmq5
linux-image-5.17.0-1-amd64 linux-image-5.18.0-3-amd64 linux-image-5.19.0-2-amd64
lockfile-progs poppler-data psutils python3-dnspython python3-ldb python3-talloc
python3-tdb samba-common sound-theme-freedesktop tcpd tdb-tools tdebase-data-trinity
tdebase-runtime-data-common-trinity tdelibs-data-trinity telnet telnetd update-inetd
xbase-clients xcalib
Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them.
The following packages will be REMOVED:
ffmpeg* gtk-qt-engine-trinity* gtk2-engines-oxygen* gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity*
gwenview-trinity* icewm* kappfinder-trinity* kate-trinity* kcalc-trinity*
kcontrol-trinity* kdbusnotification-trinity* kdesktop-trinity* kfind-trinity*
kgtk-qt3-trinity* khelpcenter-trinity* kicker-trinity* kipi-plugins-trinity*
klipper-trinity* kmenuedit-trinity* kmix-trinity* konqueror-nsplugins-trinity*
konqueror-trinity* konsole-trinity* kpager-trinity* kpdf-trinity* kpersonalizer-trinity*
kruler-trinity* ksmserver-trinity* ksnapshot-trinity* ksplash-trinity* ksysguard-trinity*
ktip-trinity* libavahi-client3* libavdevice59* libavfilter8* libavformat59*
libcanberra-gtk3-0* libcups2* libgs10* libgtk-3-0* libgtk2.0-0* libgtkmm-3.0-1v5*
libimlib2* libkcddb1-trinity* libkdcraw3-trinity* libkexiv2-3-trinity* libkipi0-trinity*
libkmime2-trinity* libkonq4-trinity* libktnef1-trinity* libsmbclient* libspectre1*
libtdepim1a-trinity* libtqt3-integration-trinity* pavucontrol* python3-samba* samba*
samba-common-bin* samba-libs* smbclient* tdebase-tdeio-plugins-trinity*
tdebase-tdeio-smb-trinity* tdebase-trinity* tdebase-trinity-bin* tdelibs14-trinity*
tdemultimedia-tdeio-plugins-trinity* tdepasswd-trinity* tdeprint-trinity* tdm-trinity*
tdmtheme-trinity* twin-trinity*
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 71 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
After this operation, 258 MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
Abort.
# apt purge libavahi-common-data
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
adwaita-icon-theme at-spi2-common binutils-common dconf-gsettings-backend dconf-service
foomatic-db gtk-update-icon-cache htdig icewm-common inetutils-inetd inetutils-telnet
inetutils-telnetd ksysguardd-trinity libabsl20220623 libao-common libao4 libart-2.0-2
libaspell15 libass9 libatk-bridge2.0-0 libatk1.0-0 libatkmm-1.6-1v5 libatspi2.0-0
libavc1394-0 libavif15 libbinutils libbluray2 libbs2b0 libcaca0 libcairomm-1.0-1v5
libcanberra0 libcdio-cdda2 libcdio-paranoia2 libcdio19 libcdparanoia0 libchromaprint1
libcjson1 libcolord2 libconfig9 libdbus-1-tqt libdbus-glib-1-2 libdc1394-25 libdconf1
libdecor-0-0 libexif12 libexiv2-27 libflac8 libflite1 libgav1-1 libgd3 libgif7
libglibmm-2.4-1v5 libgme0 libgphoto2-6 libgphoto2-port12 libgpod4 libgs-common
libgs10-common libgtk-3-common libgtk2.0-common libical3 libid3tag0 libidn12 libiec61883-0
libijs-0.35 libimath-3-1-29 libimobiledevice6 libjansson4 libjasper1 libjbig2dec0 libldb2
liblept5 liblilv-0-0 liblockfile1 libmbedcrypto7 libmysofa1 libnorm1 libopenal-data
libopenal1 libopenexr-3-1-30 libopenmpt0 libpangomm-1.4-1v5 libpgm-5.3-0 libplist3
libpostproc56 libpulse-mainloop-glib0 libpython3.11 libr0 librabbitmq4 librav1e0
libraw1394-11 librist4 librubberband2 libsdl2-2.0-0 libserd-0-0 libsndio7.0 libsodium23
libsord-0-0 libsratom-0-0 libsrt1.5-gnutls libssh-4 libswscale6 libtesseract5 libtevent0
libtiff5 libtqtinterface libudfread0 libunibreak5 libusb-0.1-4 libusbmuxd6 libvidstab1.1
libwayland-cursor0 libxdamage1 libxkbcommon0 libxslt1.1 libxss1 libyuv0 libzimg2 libzmq5
linux-image-5.17.0-1-amd64 linux-image-5.18.0-3-amd64 linux-image-5.19.0-2-amd64
lockfile-progs poppler-data psutils python3-dnspython python3-ldb python3-talloc
python3-tdb samba-common sound-theme-freedesktop tcpd tdb-tools tdebase-data-trinity
tdebase-runtime-data-common-trinity tdelibs-data-trinity telnet telnetd update-inetd
xbase-clients xcalib
Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them.
The following packages will be REMOVED:
ffmpeg* gtk-qt-engine-trinity* gtk2-engines-oxygen* gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity*
gwenview-trinity* icewm* kappfinder-trinity* kate-trinity* kcalc-trinity*
kcontrol-trinity*
kdbusnotification-trinity* kdesktop-trinity* kfind-trinity* kgtk-qt3-trinity*
khelpcenter-trinity* kicker-trinity* kipi-plugins-trinity* klipper-trinity*
kmenuedit-trinity* kmix-trinity* konqueror-nsplugins-trinity* konqueror-trinity*
konsole-trinity* kpager-trinity* kpdf-trinity* kpersonalizer-trinity* kruler-trinity*
ksmserver-trinity* ksnapshot-trinity* ksplash-trinity* ksysguard-trinity* ktip-trinity*
libavahi-client3* libavahi-common-data* libavahi-common3* libavahi-tqt-1* libavdevice59*
libavfilter8* libavformat59* libcanberra-gtk3-0* libcups2* libgs10* libgtk-3-0*
libgtk2.0-0* libgtkmm-3.0-1v5* libimlib2* libkcddb1-trinity* libkdcraw3-trinity*
libkexiv2-3-trinity* libkipi0-trinity* libkmime2-trinity* libkonq4-trinity*
libktnef1-trinity* libsmbclient* libspectre1* libtdepim1a-trinity*
libtqt3-integration-trinity* pavucontrol* python3-samba* samba* samba-common-bin*
samba-libs* smbclient* tdebase-tdeio-plugins-trinity* tdebase-tdeio-smb-trinity*
tdebase-trinity* tdebase-trinity-bin* tdelibs14-trinity*
tdemultimedia-tdeio-plugins-trinity* tdepasswd-trinity* tdeprint-trinity* tdm-trinity*
tdmtheme-trinity* twin-trinity*
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 74 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
After this operation, 258 MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
Abort.
# apt purge libavahi-common3
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
adwaita-icon-theme at-spi2-common binutils-common dconf-gsettings-backend dconf-service
foomatic-db gtk-update-icon-cache htdig icewm-common inetutils-inetd inetutils-telnet
inetutils-telnetd ksysguardd-trinity libabsl20220623 libao-common libao4 libart-2.0-2
libaspell15 libass9 libatk-bridge2.0-0 libatk1.0-0 libatkmm-1.6-1v5 libatspi2.0-0
libavahi-common-data libavc1394-0 libavif15 libbinutils libbluray2 libbs2b0 libcaca0
libcairomm-1.0-1v5 libcanberra0 libcdio-cdda2 libcdio-paranoia2 libcdio19 libcdparanoia0
libchromaprint1 libcjson1 libcolord2 libconfig9 libdbus-1-tqt libdbus-glib-1-2
libdc1394-25 libdconf1 libdecor-0-0 libexif12 libexiv2-27 libflac8 libflite1 libgav1-1
libgd3 libgif7 libglibmm-2.4-1v5 libgme0 libgphoto2-6 libgphoto2-port12 libgpod4
libgs-common libgs10-common libgtk-3-common libgtk2.0-common libical3 libid3tag0 libidn12
libiec61883-0 libijs-0.35 libimath-3-1-29 libimobiledevice6 libjansson4 libjasper1
libjbig2dec0 libldb2 liblept5 liblilv-0-0 liblockfile1 libmbedcrypto7 libmysofa1 libnorm1
libopenal-data libopenal1 libopenexr-3-1-30 libopenmpt0 libpangomm-1.4-1v5 libpgm-5.3-0
libplist3 libpostproc56 libpulse-mainloop-glib0 libpython3.11 libr0 librabbitmq4 librav1e0
libraw1394-11 librist4 librubberband2 libsdl2-2.0-0 libserd-0-0 libsndio7.0 libsodium23
libsord-0-0 libsratom-0-0 libsrt1.5-gnutls libssh-4 libswscale6 libtesseract5 libtevent0
libtiff5 libtqtinterface libudfread0 libunibreak5 libusb-0.1-4 libusbmuxd6 libvidstab1.1
libwayland-cursor0 libxdamage1 libxkbcommon0 libxslt1.1 libxss1 libyuv0 libzimg2 libzmq5
linux-image-5.17.0-1-amd64 linux-image-5.18.0-3-amd64 linux-image-5.19.0-2-amd64
lockfile-progs poppler-data psutils python3-dnspython python3-ldb python3-talloc
python3-tdb samba-common sound-theme-freedesktop tcpd tdb-tools tdebase-data-trinity
tdebase-runtime-data-common-trinity tdelibs-data-trinity telnet telnetd update-inetd
xbase-clients xcalib
Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them.
The following packages will be REMOVED:
ffmpeg* gtk-qt-engine-trinity* gtk2-engines-oxygen* gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity*
gwenview-trinity* icewm* kappfinder-trinity* kate-trinity* kcalc-trinity*
kcontrol-trinity* kdbusnotification-trinity* kdesktop-trinity* kfind-trinity*
kgtk-qt3-trinity* khelpcenter-trinity* kicker-trinity* kipi-plugins-trinity*
klipper-trinity* kmenuedit-trinity* kmix-trinity* konqueror-nsplugins-trinity*
konqueror-trinity* konsole-trinity* kpager-trinity* kpdf-trinity* kpersonalizer-trinity*
kruler-trinity* ksmserver-trinity* ksnapshot-trinity* ksplash-trinity* ksysguard-trinity*
ktip-trinity* libavahi-client3* libavahi-common3* libavahi-tqt-1* libavdevice59*
libavfilter8* libavformat59* libcanberra-gtk3-0* libcups2* libgs10* libgtk-3-0*
libgtk2.0-0* libgtkmm-3.0-1v5* libimlib2* libkcddb1-trinity* libkdcraw3-trinity*
libkexiv2-3-trinity* libkipi0-trinity* libkmime2-trinity* libkonq4-trinity*
libktnef1-trinity* libsmbclient* libspectre1* libtdepim1a-trinity*
libtqt3-integration-trinity* pavucontrol* python3-samba* samba* samba-common-bin*
samba-libs* smbclient* tdebase-tdeio-plugins-trinity* tdebase-tdeio-smb-trinity*
tdebase-trinity* tdebase-trinity-bin* tdelibs14-trinity*
tdemultimedia-tdeio-plugins-trinity* tdepasswd-trinity* tdeprint-trinity* tdm-trinity*
tdmtheme-trinity* twin-trinity*
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 73 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
After this operation, 258 MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
Abort.
#
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--
Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion,
based on faith, not based on science.
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
Felix Miata
2 p.m.
Felix Miata via tde-devels wrote:
The following is what I was referring to:
# inxi -S
System:
As Slavek mentioned tdelibs depends on libavahi-tqt-1, but you are not
required to install the avahi-daemon.
You can safely leave the library part on your machine
dpkg -l | grep avahi
ii libavahi-client3:amd64 Avahi client library
ii libavahi-common-data:amd64 Avahi common data files
ii libavahi-common3:amd64 Avahi common library
ii libavahi-core7:amd64 Avahi's embeddable mDNS/DNS-SD library
ii libavahi-glib1:amd64 Avahi GLib integration library
ii libavahi-tqt-1:amd64 Avahi TQt integration library
And I don't understand if you are trying to remove the library or the daemon
The library is required in many packaged.
Example
$ apt-cache rdepends --installed libavahi-client3
libavahi-client3
Reverse Depends:
kodi
tdelibs14-trinity
libscsynth1
sane-utils
libsane1
samba-libs
libhpmud0
geoclue-2.0
cups-browsed
libcups2
cups-ipp-utils
cups-daemon
cups
BR
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2:47 a.m.
On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 18:23:22 -0500
Felix Miata via tde-devels <devels(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
Every PC I try to remove avahi from wants to disgorge
most of TDE, even though all
of them are running systemd-network with static configuration for eth0 and have no
wireless hardware, just like my KDE3 installations that don't require avahi. What
wouldn't work if avahi wasn't installed with TDE? Why does TDE require it?
Avahi, from what I understand, is used for service discovery on the local network.
It's used to find things like network printers without forcing you to probe your
LAN with nmap.
It is an optional dependency of tdelibs, but whoever built the package for your
system built it with WITH_AVAHI on, and set up the dependency resolution
accordingly. My copy was built with WITH_AVAHI off, and it hasn't caused
me any particular issues . . . but all the nodes on my LAN that I'm interested
in talking to have static IPs anyway. If you have devices with variable IPs
on your local network, avahi probably makes your life easier.
E. Liddell
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