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On 2019/07/26 02:48 AM, Sl?vek Banko wrote:

On Thursday 25 of July 2019 17:13:23 Mike Bird wrote:

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TDE Devs,

I hesitate to send this to a do-ocracy when I don't have the time to do it myself but I think this warrants a ping.

I rate myself as a software engineer with an excellent track record in (proprietary) database managers, AI, and systems software. I've designed software, lead software teams, and picked up other's failing projects and literally worked and slept in my office to ship on time.

But I would never have thought that what Tim did was possible. The solo fork and improvement of TDE was a massive undertaking in which Tim succeeded brilliantly. Whether or not Tim ever touches TDE again I have an enormous respect for his courage, talent, and achievement.

But now others have taken up the mantle.

The original TDE infrastructure has been broken in various ways for a long time. The stable mirrors have been unable to update for eight months. The trinitydesktop.org domain expires in March and there is no guarantee that the original TDE infrastucture will continue to stumble along even that long.

TDE 14.0.7 is currently in PSB. Waiting for 14.0.8 might be too late. I would like to see TDE 14.0.7, either when it goes stable or soon thereafter, on community-managed infrastructure.

--Mike

Hi all,

I will try to summarize information on what resources we have now, what is the current status and what are the plans that we have. Although I will try to be brief, the mail will be a bit long...

1. Primary site

Here are a number of services that are mostly on shared machines where only Tim can manage it and cannot give access to other admins.

• web server + mailing lists + wiki + bugzilla + git repositories - SCM, CGIT + automated scripts for master

branch + crashreports store + patchwork + quickbuild + archive for mirrors

2. VPS donated by vpsFree.org

This VPS initially provided the mirror function for the GIT repositories and at the same time has the role of a highly optimized primary redirector for accessing the package archive.

Currently, TDE Gitea Workspace (TGW) and TDE Weblate Translation Workspace (TWTW) are hosted on this VPS. As a result, VPS is now the main place where developers and other contributors work. This allows us to work on development independently on the primary site. Git repositories is now not just a mirror, but is bi-directionally synchronized with the primary site.

Another thing is that a Preliminary Stable Builds (PSB) repository has existed for a long time and later a Preliminary Testing Builds (PTB) repository was created. These Debian / Devuan / Raspbian / Ubuntu repositories provide preliminery packages for stable branch as well as packages for master branch => equivalent of nightly-builds. These packages are built on builders I have in my management, completely independent of QuickBuild. These repositories are now provided primarily on this VPS.

For this VPS we don't have to worry about hardware => it provides vpsFree.org. To manage system on VPS and the services we have here, it's me and Michele who can manage it. And here is no problem to add other administrators.

• git repositories - CGIT + TGW - a tool for developers collaboration and manage issues + TWTW - a tool to work on

translations + automated scripts for all branches + primary redirector to access the archive

3. Dedicated TDE Box donated by Integricloud

Integricloud, a company associated with Tim, has provided us a dedicated hardward box on the POWER9 platform. This is a machine with very good performance. Because it's dedicated hardware, Tim, I and Michele can manage the virtual machines and services on this box. And here is no problem to add other administrators.

Here is the plan that services from the primary site will be migrated to the virtual machines on this box. We are currently preparing virtual machines on this box. However, for the migration plan and migration work we will again need participation from Tim, who has been busy for a long time. And unfortunately for some time again is not contact with him.

4. Plans for the future

Because problems on the primary site combined with Tim's unavailability are not here for the first time, we have been working for a long time to setup alternative services to minimize dependence on the primary site. Currently we are ready to be independent on the primary site for services:

• web server + mailing lists + git repositories - CGIT, TGW, TWTW + automated scripts for all branches + repository

and builders - PSB, PTB + archive for mirrors - reorganized structure, cleaning done, added missing things, for example source tarballs for R14.0.6 are here

Thanks to the TDE box donated by Integricloud and VPS donated by vpsFree.org, we currently have good resources to provide services availability. What needs to be solved is to prepare a migration plan and then migrate the services. I propose that we can gradually discuss individual services to be migrated here and prepare a migration plan.

Cheers

Dear all, in addition to Slavek's excellent description of the current hardware/services situation, I would like to add one more thing.

I believe a project leader should be actively involved with the project he/she is leading, possibly daily or at least weekly. I share Mike's huge respect for Tim's work and for what he has done for TDE, but it is a fact that in the last 3 or 4 years Tim has seldom interacted or followed TDE. I think the time is ripe to propose a change in project leadership and I would like to put forward Slavek as candidate to such role. Slavek has been doing a great job for TDE since the time he joined the project and he has been contributing daily for many many years by now.

Please don't be shy and let us know your opinion on this point. Once again, huge respect for Tim and for what he has done for TDE :-)

Cheers Michele

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On 2019/07/26 10:32 PM, deloptes wrote:

Michele Calgaro via trinity-devel wrote:

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I think the time is ripe to propose a change in project leadership and I = would like to put forward Slavek as candidate to such role.

I was thinking that someone else can do this work and the team can grow, because Slavek already does so much. If he has the time and wants to do it, I agree, there is no one better. But more people do more work more efficiently hopefully.

regards

Hi Emanoil, thanks for the feedback. It will be good if the team keeps growing, in the last 12 months we have had some good additions with a couple of regular contributors (Greg, Chris) and some other occasional people sending in patches on TGW.

Regarding the role of project leader, Slavek has practically already being doing that for the last 2-3 years and he is the best choice for such role. He has deep knowledge of TDE itself (both code, infrastructures, history), good project contribution background (several years) and a balanced approach to changes, e.g. he is very careful to make sure that TDE retains its distinctive characteristics and style. We can't just take someone from nowhere and put him in change of the project, if you understand what I mean.

I am quite sure Slavek would be honored to take up the role, otherwise I would not propose his name so lightly. Leading a project is not an easy task, but Slavek has been the de-facto leader for quite some time already :-)

cheers Michele

Hi all!

+1 for all.

Nik

Anno domini 2019 Fri, 26 Jul 22:23:43 +0800 Michele Calgaro via trinity-devel scripsit:

On 2019/07/26 02:48 AM, Sl?vek Banko wrote:

...

On Thursday 25 of July 2019 17:13:23 Mike Bird wrote:

...

TDE Devs,

I hesitate to send this to a do-ocracy when I don't have the time to do it myself but I think this warrants a ping.

I rate myself as a software engineer with an excellent track record in (proprietary) database managers, AI, and systems software. I've designed software, lead software teams, and picked up other's failing projects and literally worked and slept in my office to ship on time.

But I would never have thought that what Tim did was possible. The solo fork and improvement of TDE was a massive undertaking in which Tim succeeded brilliantly. Whether or not Tim ever touches TDE again I have an enormous respect for his courage, talent, and achievement.

But now others have taken up the mantle.

The original TDE infrastructure has been broken in various ways for a long time. The stable mirrors have been unable to update for eight months. The trinitydesktop.org domain expires in March and there is no guarantee that the original TDE infrastucture will continue to stumble along even that long.

TDE 14.0.7 is currently in PSB. Waiting for 14.0.8 might be too late. I would like to see TDE 14.0.7, either when it goes stable or soon thereafter, on community-managed infrastructure.

--Mike

Hi all,

I will try to summarize information on what resources we have now, what is the current status and what are the plans that we have. Although I will try to be brief, the mail will be a bit long...

1. Primary site

Here are a number of services that are mostly on shared machines where only Tim can manage it and cannot give access to other admins.

• web server + mailing lists + wiki + bugzilla + git repositories - SCM, CGIT + automated scripts for master

branch + crashreports store + patchwork + quickbuild + archive for mirrors

2. VPS donated by vpsFree.org

This VPS initially provided the mirror function for the GIT repositories and at the same time has the role of a highly optimized primary redirector for accessing the package archive.

Currently, TDE Gitea Workspace (TGW) and TDE Weblate Translation Workspace (TWTW) are hosted on this VPS. As a result, VPS is now the main place where developers and other contributors work. This allows us to work on development independently on the primary site. Git repositories is now not just a mirror, but is bi-directionally synchronized with the primary site.

Another thing is that a Preliminary Stable Builds (PSB) repository has existed for a long time and later a Preliminary Testing Builds (PTB) repository was created. These Debian / Devuan / Raspbian / Ubuntu repositories provide preliminery packages for stable branch as well as packages for master branch => equivalent of nightly-builds. These packages are built on builders I have in my management, completely independent of QuickBuild. These repositories are now provided primarily on this VPS.

For this VPS we don't have to worry about hardware => it provides vpsFree.org. To manage system on VPS and the services we have here, it's me and Michele who can manage it. And here is no problem to add other administrators.

• git repositories - CGIT + TGW - a tool for developers collaboration and manage issues + TWTW - a tool to work on

translations + automated scripts for all branches + primary redirector to access the archive

3. Dedicated TDE Box donated by Integricloud

Integricloud, a company associated with Tim, has provided us a dedicated hardward box on the POWER9 platform. This is a machine with very good performance. Because it's dedicated hardware, Tim, I and Michele can manage the virtual machines and services on this box. And here is no problem to add other administrators.

Here is the plan that services from the primary site will be migrated to the virtual machines on this box. We are currently preparing virtual machines on this box. However, for the migration plan and migration work we will again need participation from Tim, who has been busy for a long time. And unfortunately for some time again is not contact with him.

4. Plans for the future

Because problems on the primary site combined with Tim's unavailability are not here for the first time, we have been working for a long time to setup alternative services to minimize dependence on the primary site. Currently we are ready to be independent on the primary site for services:

• web server + mailing lists + git repositories - CGIT, TGW, TWTW + automated scripts for all branches + repository

and builders - PSB, PTB + archive for mirrors - reorganized structure, cleaning done, added missing things, for example source tarballs for R14.0.6 are here

Thanks to the TDE box donated by Integricloud and VPS donated by vpsFree.org, we currently have good resources to provide services availability. What needs to be solved is to prepare a migration plan and then migrate the services. I propose that we can gradually discuss individual services to be migrated here and prepare a migration plan.

Cheers

Dear all, in addition to Slavek's excellent description of the current hardware/services situation, I would like to add one more thing.

I believe a project leader should be actively involved with the project he/she is leading, possibly daily or at least weekly. I share Mike's huge respect for Tim's work and for what he has done for TDE, but it is a fact that in the last 3 or 4 years Tim has seldom interacted or followed TDE. I think the time is ripe to propose a change in project leadership and I would like to put forward Slavek as candidate to such role. Slavek has been doing a great job for TDE since the time he joined the project and he has been contributing daily for many many years by now.

Please don't be shy and let us know your opinion on this point. Once again, huge respect for Tim and for what he has done for TDE :-)

Cheers Michele

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On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 22:23 (+0800), Michele Calgaro via trinity-devel wrote:

I believe a project leader should be actively involved with the project he/she is leading, possibly daily or at least weekly. I share Mike's huge respect for Tim's work and for what he has done for TDE, but it is a fact that in the last 3 or 4 years Tim has seldom interacted or followed TDE. I think the time is ripe to propose a change in project leadership and I would like to put forward Slavek as candidate to such role. Slavek has been doing a great job for TDE since the time he joined the project and he has been contributing daily for many many years by now.

Please don't be shy and let us know your opinion on this point. Once again, huge respect for Tim and for what he has done for TDE :-)

Michele,

I agree with everything you said above. If Slavek is willing to take it on, I think that is a great way forward.

Jim

On Friday 26 of July 2019 16:23:43 Michele Calgaro via trinity-devel wrote:

Dear all, in addition to Slavek's excellent description of the current hardware/services situation, I would like to add one more thing.

I believe a project leader should be actively involved with the project he/she is leading, possibly daily or at least weekly. I share Mike's huge respect for Tim's work and for what he has done for TDE, but it is a fact that in the last 3 or 4 years Tim has seldom interacted or followed TDE. I think the time is ripe to propose a change in project leadership and I would like to put forward Slavek as candidate to such role. Slavek has been doing a great job for TDE since the time he joined the project and he has been contributing daily for many many years by now.

Please don't be shy and let us know your opinion on this point. Once again, huge respect for Tim and for what he has done for TDE :-)

Cheers   Michele

Hi all,

I thank you for your support from all of you. It will be an honor for me to take this role.

I do not forget that we are a team and the efforts of all of us are needed, so I hope that together we will continue to make Trinity better. I dare say that in the last year, we have made a lot of success - we have gained new contributors to the code and in recent weeks also contributors to the translations.

As I mentioned in the previous long mail about the status of services and servers, we will now prepare and discuss the migration of services. Therefore, I hope that we will soon solve the problems that are now.

Cheers

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I thank you for your support from all of you. It will be an honor for me to take this role.

Thank you very much, Sl??vek! Your work and endeavours (and everyone else's, too, of course) are much appreciated.

Kind regards, Stefan

1. Huge thanks to Tim for creating TDE and developing it during the first years

2. Huge thanks to Slavek for accepting to take over as new project leader -- well, I have known this answer for 15 months or so by now :-) I guess we should have an "official handover" between Tim and Slavek, to honor both of them

3. Huge thanks to all people contributing to TDE, whether you are a developer, packager, mirror maintainer, translator, bug reporter, mail contributor or whatever else

Cheers Michele

On 07/28/2019 04:25 AM, Timothy Pearson wrote:

Due to my involvement in both projects, I was able to pull some strings at Integricloud [2] and get a dedicated, powerful server permanently dedicated to the TDE project. This dedicated box is the server that I am working with Slavek to port the existing TDE data and functions to; as a self-contained unit managed by an external cloud provider service availability and connectivity should be excellent, and the horsepower of the box is sufficient to even be able to run builds on if desired.

That's good news, but ... always keep a running fallback in the event the cloud falls over -- for good. That's the only downside to putting control of infrastructure in the hands of a 3rd party.

Best wishes with your project and keep fighting the good fight Tim!